Shots Fired On Parliament Hill

[Bryan]

Ford Nation supporter?

That's not my nation.

[Bryan]

No, it's not, actually. It's not the least bit credible in any way.

It absolutely is. RT's journalism is high standard. Claims to the contrary are sheer ignorance.

[hitops]

Religion is at most a co-motivator, and most of the time its just a tool used appeal to the masses.

There is almost always real tangible things behind all these struggles and wars. Leaders with real-world goals. Religion just makes people easily lead to support them.

While no doubt many factors are at play, those factors exist in large part in poor countries of all religions. Yet only one religion today dominates nearly all religion-motivated violence, and that's Islam.

While the co-motivator theory sounds nice and packaged and sensible to our western ears, there's a reason why it doesn't seem to apply to other religious in anything even close to the same scope or impact as Islam.

Edited November 10, 2014 by hitops

[Argus]

While no doubt many factors are at play, those factors exist in large part in poor countries of all religions. Yet only one religion today dominates nearly all religion-motivated violence, and that's Islam.

While the co-motivator theory sounds nice and packaged and sensible to our western ears, there's a reason why it doesn't seem to apply to other religious in anything even close to the same scope or impact as Islam.

There seems to be something about Islam, or at least, the modern interpretation spreading around the world, which tells people that their treatment of those who don't worship precisely as they do are no longer subject to any moral restraint or rules, that absolves the adherents of this Islam from any cares or concerns about commiting brutality and murder. Thus the Islamic nuts in Nigeria can send suicide bombers into a school assembly, thus some Palestinian idiot can stab a teenage girl to death at a bus stop, thus ISIS can behead hundreds of men, women and children, thus some moron can shoot a harmless, unarmed solidier to death while he's on honor guard. And all this and many other such things done with a fierce sense of righteousness that they are doing God's work and will be richly rewarded.

[Mighty AC]

While no doubt many factors are at play, those factors exist in large part in poor countries of all religions. Yet only one religion today dominates nearly all religion-motivated violence, and that's Islam.

While the co-motivator theory sounds nice and packaged and sensible to our western ears, there's a reason why it doesn't seem to apply to other religious in anything even close to the same scope or impact as Islam.

Bill Maher and Sam Harris took some criticism recently for saying the same thing on Maher's show. Like many who are sick of the real Islamophobia that has flourished since 9/11, Ben Affleck quickly used the bigot defense to attack the two over the comments. However, a Muslim woman from Pakistan wrote an open letter to Ben, stating that though his intentions are very honourable, his actions (along with those of many progressives) shut down a conversation that needs to be taking place. Her letter, from the perspective of a 'good' Muslim woman, on why the world has to criticize Islam, is a must read.

To avoid double posting this link is to another thread where I have already posted this letter. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23918-bill-maher-destroys-the-liberal-utopian-vision-of-islam/page-23#entry1009770

Edited November 10, 2014 by Mighty AC

[hitops]

Bill Maher and Sam Harris took some criticism recently for saying the same thing on Maher's show. Like many who are sick of the real Islamophobia that has flourished since 9/11, Ben Affleck quickly used the bigot defense to attack the two over the comments. However, a Muslim woman from Pakistan wrote an open letter to Ben, stating that though his intentions are very honourable, his actions (along with those of many progressives) shut down a conversation that needs to be taking place. Her letter, from the perspective of a 'good' Muslim woman, on why the world has to criticize Islam, is a must read.

To avoid double posting this link is to another thread where I have already posted this letter. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23918-bill-maher-destroys-the-liberal-utopian-vision-of-islam/page-23#entry1009770

We love simplicity, and we love to arrogantly assume that if only everyone had the opportunities we have, they would be just like us an renounce terror.

But it's feel-good nonsense.

[Michael Hardner]

And when does critizing become sarcasm become mockery become ridiculing?

People will know. If they don't then the mods will tell them.

[On Guard for Thee]

It absolutely is. RT's journalism is high standard. Claims to the contrary are sheer ignorance.

I assume then you must have missed interviews with at least 2 of their reporters who left the company because they refused to craft (fake) stories to suit the management.

[Argus]

It absolutely is. RT's journalism is high standard. Claims to the contrary are sheer ignorance.

RT is a propaganda channel for an autocratic dictatorship. It is well know through many, many reports from independant as well as mainstream journalists that the Russian government has shut down virtually all independant media, and that journalists critical of Putin and his govenrment have been imprisoned and murdered.

Yet somehow you glean from this that a state funded cable news channel is going to have high standards of journalism? I suppose if those standards don't include little things like 'honesty' and all you care about are colourful graphics and pretty faces...

[GostHacked]

RT is a propaganda channel for an autocratic dictatorship. It is well know through many, many reports from independant as well as mainstream journalists that the Russian government has shut down virtually all independant media, and that journalists critical of Putin and his govenrment have been imprisoned and murdered.

Yet somehow you glean from this that a state funded cable news channel is going to have high standards of journalism? I suppose if those standards don't include little things like 'honesty' and all you care about are colourful graphics and pretty faces...

Like on Fox or CNN?

[Big Guy]

The report on the law enforcement response is out. Some really bad communications. We were lucky that some of the police were not shooting at each other.

Also revealed that an RCMP officer emptied his gun at the shooter after the shooter was shot. I always thought there was a reason why the tape of what happened did not reach the public. Was the guy disarmed and trying to surrender when shot? Did he act or say things that may have indicated mental illness? I have no doubt that the police acted in a way they thought was best - but why not release those tapes of what actually happened at the site?

[Civis Romanus sum]

The report on the law enforcement response is out. Some really bad communications. We were lucky that some of the police were not shooting at each other.

Also revealed that an RCMP officer emptied his gun at the shooter after the shooter was shot. I always thought there was a reason why the tape of what happened did not reach the public. Was the guy disarmed and trying to surrender when shot? Did he act or say things that may have indicated mental illness? I have no doubt that the police acted in a way they thought was best - but why not release those tapes of what actually happened at the site?

Because the ignorant public is filled with wimps, whiners and hand-wringing pacifists who don't really want to know what violence looks like, even if the violence is needed to protect them in their cozy lives.

People don't want to see where hamburgers and hot dogs come from. They know its not pretty but they want them anyway.

[Michael Hardner]

People don't want to see where hamburgers and hot dogs come from. They know its not pretty but they want them anyway.

It sounds like they do want to know though. At least 'Big Guy' does. Why not let this out, is my question ?

[Je suis Omar]

Because the ignorant public is filled with wimps, whiners and hand-wringing pacifists who don't really want to know what violence looks like, even if the violence is needed to protect them in their cozy lives.

Speaking of "wimps", you do know, of course, that Steven Harper hid in a Parliament Hill cubbyhole.

Many MPs thought the Prime Minister had managed to get out of the room and didnt know he was sequestered in what amounted to a cubbyhole.

Someone knew there was a closet there so they stuck him in there, the source said.

So for a lot of people it was as though he was gone.

The Prime Ministers RCMP security detail ultimately rescued him and whisked him out of the building.

It was a surprise to many Conservatives when Mr. Harper emerged from his hiding place to exit Parliament Hill.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-attack-mps-fashioned-spears-while-harper-hid-in-closet/article21278580/?service=mobile

[Je suis Omar]

It sounds like they do want to know though. At least 'Big Guy' does. Why not let this out, is my question ?

I couldn't agree more, Michael. Pertinent information should never be concealed from the true owners of any democratic nation.

And of course, we know that it isn't. This is almost certainly a minor abberration.

[jbg]

Speaking of "wimps", you do know, of course, that Steven Harper hid in a Parliament Hill cubbyhole.

His assassination would have made you happy I guess?

[Je suis Omar]

His assassination would have made you happy I guess?

Don't you find it odd that Mr Tough Guy was hiding in a cubbyhole, jbg? Do you consider this to be churchillian?

[WestCoastRunner]

Don't you find it odd that Mr Tough Guy was hiding in a cubbyhole, jbg? Do you consider this to be churchillian?

Of course he was hidden in a closet. He is the Prime Minister of Canada!

[jacee]

Speaking of "wimps", you do know, of course, that Steven Harper hid in a Parliament Hill cubbyhole.

Many MPs thought the Prime Minister had managed to get out of the room and didnt know he was sequestered in what amounted to a cubbyhole.

Someone knew there was a closet there so they stuck him in there, the source said.

So for a lot of people it was as though he was gone.

The Prime Ministers RCMP security detail ultimately rescued him and whisked him out of the building.

It was a surprise to many Conservatives when Mr. Harper emerged from his hiding place to exit Parliament Hill.

You know what?

I'm going to say that Harper hiding in a claustrophobic closet, not knowing whether a jihadist gunman was going to open the door and shoot him ... that's traumatic.

He's been traumatized.

All things considered, I don't see anything that was done wrong that would have made any difference.

.

Edited May 23, 2015 by jacee

[Je suis Omar]

You know what?

I'm going to say that Harper hiding in a claustrophobic closet, not knowing whether a jihadist gunman was going to open the door and shoot him ... that's traumatic.

He's been traumatized.

All things considered, I don't see anything that was done wrong that would have made any difference.

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All well and good, Jacee. But the numerous MPs, conservative to boot, who valiantly broke off flagpoles to serve as weapons, then stood guard at the door, weren't traumatized?

No one even knew what was going on at that time. Is this the stuff of prime ministers, the guys who are to lead Canada's military?

[bush_cheney2004]

The leader of the Canadian military is Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, represented by Governor General David Johnston.

She has a wonderful hat collection too.

[jbg]

Don't you find it odd that Mr Tough Guy was hiding in a cubbyhole, jbg? Do you consider this to be churchillian?

Then why do stuntmen perform in lieu of movie stars? Key people are always kept safe from danger. Did your buddy Osama fly the planes into the building himself, or blow up the embassies with his own body? No, he cowered in a cave. And Harper didn't order the gunning, either.

[Je suis Omar]

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Edited May 24, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[jacee]

But what were they thinking!

That caused its own set of problems as some showed up in street clothes and others donned balaclava-style masks -- causing concerned members of the public to report sightings of armed, masked men around the city. Those reports led to unnecessary investigations which further confused and taxed authorities.

Things got quite a bit more confused when off duty cops showed up dressed up as terrorists.

Edited May 24, 2015 by jacee

[Je suis Omar]

Key people are always kept safe from danger.

"key" is the operative work.

Did your buddy Osama fly the planes into the building himself

You've got that all wrong. He was the usa's creation and the usa's buddy until the USA starting receiving blowback for its perfidious, murderous actions around the world. Blowback that had long been predicted by USA officials.

And yet folks pretended to be so shocked.

"To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal

- Henry Kissinger

Back stabbing devils, those Americans, aren't they, jbg?

No, he cowered in a cave

Do you mean the caves that the lying like a sidewalk USA war criminal Donald Rumsfeld put out to all the sheeple thru the lying "journalist", Tim Russert?

And some folks actually believe and trust these monumental liars.

Edited May 24, 2015 by Je suis Omar