Derek 2.0 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Point is if you live in a single family dwelling you already have the means to either drive to a community box or have someone get the mail for you. If one can go grocery shopping they can go to a community box. Surely they could do the same as rural Canadians have for decades........ What an affront to the rights of some people........ Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 You can't see how having to go to a mailbox, sometimes a few blocks away, might be difficult or even dangerous for the elderly and disabled? Are these new mailboxes to be put atop the highest mountains, within the deepest forests or in the most frozen of tundras? Quote
eyeball Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Good. A postal service shouldn't be the priority of a government anymore. The law gives Canada Post a monopoly on certain aspects of delivering parcels, they shouldn't have this anymore. I don't see anything inherently wrong with the public owning and operating a service that is important and often essential, especially in remote areas. As for monopolies and given how law makers usually roll these days, we'd just end up with privately owned ones and that being the case I'd rather have a monopoly where the public at least has some modicum of influence if not control. I can see the public directing CP to make the effort to continue delivering mail to elderly and or disabled people in the event some home delivery in some areas may no longer be needed OTOH perhaps there are ares where expanding home delivery makes sense. In any case I can't see how we as public owners gain anything at all by privatizing a profitable monopoly. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 You can't see how having to go to a mailbox, sometimes a few blocks away, might be difficult or even dangerous for the elderly and disabled? My mail box was just over a km away, i made it part of my routine on the way home to drive up to the box and get my mail, did'nt even have to get out of my truck. The only issue we had was the post office putting the wrong mail in our box, i just walked it down to the neibors house, and they did the same. For parcels we would have to go down to the post office for pick up. I can see where some people would have an issue ie disable persons etc, but like what has already been mentioned how do they get their other services ie food, medication etc services that also don't have delivery in rural areas....they must have some form of transportation or depend on others to transport them, they could also incorporate the mail pick up as well. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 I don't see anything inherently wrong with the public owning and operating a service that is important and often essential, especially in remote areas. As for monopolies and given how law makers usually roll these days, we'd just end up with privately owned ones and that being the case I'd rather have a monopoly where the public at least has some modicum of influence if not control. I can see the public directing CP to make the effort to continue delivering mail to elderly and or disabled people in the event some home delivery in some areas may no longer be needed OTOH perhaps there are ares where expanding home delivery makes sense. In any case I can't see how we as public owners gain anything at all by privatizing a profitable monopoly. I'd like to know what type of influence or control we had over Canada post, was it over the X-mas period when they loved to strike, was it over the price of a stamp.....I think in todays age snail mail is done , it would not take us much of a leap to convert and eliminate snail mail all together....everything or most things are available on line, banking, bills, including most fliers. who knows maybe it would lead to a paperless society..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 The corporation no longer makes a profit. That's what im talking about. It should at least break even, and not be a drain on federal finances. But Canada Post is profitable. Quote
scribblet Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Are these new mailboxes to be put atop the highest mountains, within the deepest forests or in the most frozen of tundras? Really - Newer mail boxes are much nicer looking, we've had mail boxes at the end of the street for eons and we are both seniors. If a person is so disabled/elderly etc. etc. so as not to be able to get the mail box then obviously they can't get out to do anything else so must have someone helping them. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 That's a pretty dumb question. Obviously from the federal food delivery service. No. It's a pretty dumb question because 1) people don't go to the grocery store every day, 2) the elderly and people with disabilities actually do have a program to help them with food. It's called Meals on Wheels. You may have heard of it. And, 3) they often have relatives, friends, or personal support workers do their grocery shopping for them. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 That's a seperate issue. Yes, I can imagine that some people will be more than a little pissed off. But it doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do. The same way some people might be pissed that there are no more SIN cards anymore. Or that Canada Revenue has closed it's doors to the public. Why is it the "right" thing to do? Quote
Topaz Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 I was on another forum and one person who retired with their spouse from the federal government said that the reason behind the massive layoff of fed. workers is the quota of making the surplus for the Tories and its the same for the Canada Post. They don't want many workers to cost in retirement and yet the Tories didn't do anything to their OWN pensions or benefits until AFTER the next election and yet many Tories are leaving. I'm not worried about this until after the next election because both, the Libs and the NDP said they will change it back, like so many things that NEED changing back. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Point is if you live in a single family dwelling you already have the means to either drive to a community box or have someone get the mail for you. If one can go grocery shopping they can go to a community box. That's not true at all. You actually think everyone living in a single-family dwelling is capable of going to the mailbox every day or several times a week? The issue is being brought to court partially on behalf of people with disabilities and the elderly. You really can't fathom that there are some people who would have an incredibly difficult time getting to and from a community mailbox several times a week, particularly in the freezing cold ice and snow during winter or suffocating humidity of mid summer? You don't understand at all how this could be a problem for those people? Edited October 21, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
scribblet Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 So what do all of these people who are part of the 66% without home mail delivery do now? Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Are these new mailboxes to be put atop the highest mountains, within the deepest forests or in the most frozen of tundras? Hyperbole. Great. Thanks for contributing complete idiocy to the conversation. Quote
Boges Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) That's not true at all. You actually think everyone living in a single-family dwelling is capable of going to the mailbox every day or several times a week? The issue is being brought to court partially on behalf of people with disabilities and the elderly. You really can't fathom that there are some people who would have an incredibly difficult time getting to and from a community mailbox several times a week, particularly in the freezing cold ice and snow or suffocating humidity of mid summer? You don't understand at all how this could be a problem for those people? It's an inconvenience. But how the heck are they able maintain the upkeep of the house? They don't have a neighbour that can help? They don't run errands? They don't shop for food? They don't go to the bank? If mail was so important to them they'd need to travel to mail box to send out mail? If it's snowing don't go out that day. If that cheque is so important to get that day, then you'd probably need to go to the bank anyway. Edited October 21, 2014 by Boges Quote
Shady Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 No. It's a pretty dumb question because 1) people don't go to the grocery store every day, 2) the elderly and people with disabilities actually do have a program to help them with food. It's called Meals on Wheels. You may have heard of it. And, 3) they often have relatives, friends, or personal support workers do their grocery shopping for them. How do they renew their health cards then? Anyways, I know change is sometimes difficult, but in this case it's necessary. Snail mail volume has decreased significantly, and is projected too every year. It's tantamount to horse and buggy service. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 I can see where some people would have an issue ie disable persons etc, but like what has already been mentioned how do they get their other services ie food, medication etc services that also don't have delivery in rural areas....they must have some form of transportation or depend on others to transport them, they could also incorporate the mail pick up as well. I've already mentioned food in my last posts. Medication can be refilled and delivered by Shoppers. Otherwise, most doctors' offices have pharmacies attached or nearby, so on the few occasions that they have to get to a doctor's office, usually with the help of family or personal support workers, they can have their prescriptions filled then. And as I've already mentioned, even the elderly and people with disabilities, go to the doctor a lot less often than they would need to check their mail. Some doctors, believe it or not, still go to patients' homes when they have mobility issues. I find it really puzzling that a lot of you can't see that it takes major effort for some people to get out of the house and go to the places they need to go. Yet, Harper wants to force these people to travel every day for their mail. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Really - Newer mail boxes are much nicer looking, we've had mail boxes at the end of the street for eons and we are both seniors. If a person is so disabled/elderly etc. etc. so as not to be able to get the mail box then obviously they can't get out to do anything else so must have someone helping them. And what if they're not "so disabled/elderly etc. etc. so as not to be able to get the mail box [sic]" but it's just very painful and difficult for them to do so? You want someone's 75 year old grandmother who has had her hip replaced walking 1/2 km down an icy road with her walker to get her mail every day? Or even in the summer when the humidity so unbearable that it's difficult to breathe? Do you not see how dangerous that could be for some people? Even those who have people helping them don't often have people coming every single day. And what about those without family? What about the elderly living in New Brunswick whose children have packed up and moved out West because that's what you told them they should do to get a job? Really? You're just so unimaginative that you can't for the life of you understand how this could be incredibly problematic for some people? Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 If it's snowing don't go out that day. Don't go out that day. Or those 6 months. Whatever. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) How do they renew their health cards then? So now you're comparing daily mail delivery to renewing your health card which happens once every 4 years. Good job, Shady. What a sharp-witted observation. Edited October 21, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Anyways, I know change is sometimes difficult, but in this case it's necessary. Snail mail volume has decreased significantly, and is projected too every year. It's tantamount to horse and buggy service. Good thing you're smart enough not to repeat the lie that Canada Post is not profitable again. Quote
Boges Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Don't go out that day. Or those 6 months. Whatever. If you live in a town that can deliver your pills, it must have the infrastructure to clear snow regularly. If you are incapable of leaving your home and have no family or friends that can help deliver your mail BUT have the money to get a person to do groundskeeping, shovel snow and deliver your food then there are solutions people have at hand. The solution certainly isn't keep door to door delivery for EVERYONE so that they handful of people who actually think they need it can keep it. Edited October 21, 2014 by Boges Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) And why are we doing away with door-to-door delivery service again, despite how difficult it makes it for some people to get their mail? Canada Post is turning profits. There has only been 2 years in the last 15 that it didn't and that was from piss poor management. Edited October 21, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Boges Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 And why are we doing away with door-to-door delivery service again, despite how difficult it makes it for some people to get their mail? Canada Post is turning profits. There has only been 2 years in the last 15 that it didn't and that was from piss poor management. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/canada-post-swings-to-profit-but-red-ink-looms/article11327974/ The return to profitability in 2012 is an aberration, caused by a one-time recalculation of the expected future cost of sick leave and post-retirement health benefits, company officials insisted. “The decline in mail volume is creating a sinkhole that we need to climb out of,” spokesman Jon Hamilton said. Without these items, Canada Post would have lost $25-million last year, according to the company’s annual report, tabled in Parliament Wednesday. The loss for the core Canada Post operations, which excludes the Purolator courier business, would have been $54-million And the company is warning that it must continue restructuring its business to counter dwindling mail volumes Quote
Shady Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Good thing you're smart enough not to repeat the lie that Canada Post is not profitable again. I didn't say it wasn't profitable. But you're ignoring reality of snail mail. It's horse and buggy, and should be phased out to the central box system. It's a no brainer. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 But Canada Post is profitable. So if Canada Post is profitable we should leave it at that? So when the government of Canada gets a surplus we stop looking for ways to save money? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
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