Palestinian Unity Government

[Big Guy]

After Gaza was pounded by Israel with the killing of thousands of innocent civilians it appears that the attacks did nothing to dissuade the Palestinians from forming a united front;

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/10/palestinian-unity-government-meets-gaza-2014109122916902695.html

Israel has tried very hard to keep this attempt of unity from taking place by refusing previous passage of Palestinians from Gaza to travel to the West Bank to be sworn in. This is not good news for Israel but good news for Gaza.

It was expected the recent attacks on Gaza would have resulted in thwarting any progress on the reconciliation of the two Palestinian states but it appears to be going forward. The Palestinians have called for more than $4 billion in aid to rebuild Gaza's infrastructure which was destroyed by Israel and provide humanitarian relief to the blockaded coastal territory, which is one of the most densely populated areas of the world.

It will be interesting to see the reaction from the rest of the world as to supplying the needs of Hamas to rebuild Gaza.

[Bonam]

A "unity government" would be good for Israel, not bad, as it will give them a credible party to negotiate with in the future. If such a government ever manages to meaningfully establish sovereignty and control over all the dozens of terrorist groups prevalent in Gaza that even Hamas cannot properly rein in.

As for aid... Palestine receives more aid/capita than almost any other state/territory on the planet. They won't have any trouble getting enough aid to do whatever they want. Sadly, "whatever they want" will likely mean a large proportion of the aid will be used on rockets, mortars, tunnels, and propaganda, as it always has.

[Shady]

It would be in the best interest of Palestinians to reject Hamas, and adopt the PLO as their governing party for Gaza and the West Bank.

[cybercoma]

It would be in the best interest of Palestinians to reject Hamas, and adopt the PLO as their governing party for Gaza and the West Bank.

im sure bush Cheney will be along to defend the sovereignty of Palestinians and tell you that it doesn't matter what you,think would be best; it's not your country.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wrong again...as usual. I think one government would make it far easier to hold Palestine accountable for terrorist attacks against Israel. It's not their country.

[On Guard for Thee]

Wrong again...as usual. I think one government would make it far easier to hold Palestine accountable for terrorist attacks against Israel. It's not their country.

Who's country is it?

[Rue]

No one's at this point. There is no sovereign nation. of Palestine. There is however a proposed state with chaos and competing factions.

What does exist are two major factions and hundreds of terror cells. One of the 2 major factions is led by Abbas who now claims a unity government with Hamas.

The fact is Hamas plays it both ways. Its political wing claims to be in the same unity government as Abbas and his faction but in actual fact its military wing does not and has openly stated it has no working relationship with Abbas and or that matter never will.

For that matter Abbas has two wings in his own alleged government, one political and the other Fatah Hawks/Eagles who do not agree with Abbas but have held off of any terrorist attacks since the wall no one likes went up on the West Bank. His military wing refuses to acknowledge Hamas' military wing let alone the political unit of Hamas and is in a continuing state of belligerence with Hamas' military wing.

The reality is the armed terrorist units of both major components are in a continued state of belligerence with one another and hate each other as much if not more than they hate Israel.

Unity government, my ass.

The fact is Both Abbas' faction and Hamas' faction consistent of two parts, one that recognizes no laws at all, the other that claims to engage in politics.

This charade o fbeing one part terrorist and one part politician is a crock.

What is even more of a crock is this notion that this alleged unity government is cohesive and capable of engaging in good will with Israel let alone between its own factions.

Abbas, Hamas, choose whoever you want from whatever Palestinian faction...they have all made it clear they will never accept a Jewish state and not just in Israel but anywhere.

This alleged unity government is a media spin by Abbas because he wants to claim to the UN and world Palestine has one unified government o justify it unilaterally declaring itself a state and continuing to remain at war with an refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state,

Let's get it clear. Abbas stood up in his assembly providing a standing ovation to his fellow members calling for a war to take back Israel

If anybody wants to present him as a reasonable moderate knock yourself out.

At this point there is not one Palestinian politician who dares speak out and say the only way to end this b.s. is to recognize the Jewish state. do that and put down our arms, then Israel can pull out of the West Bank and to other borders because without terrorism, its security concerns become a moot point.

No one will do that in the Palestinian community at this point because if they did they would be killed.

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At this point it should be vividly clear that the small entourage of anti Israelis on this board who keep reviving this conflict do so because they will not discuss Hamas, the refusal of the Arab world to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and its direct correlation to Muslim terrorism and extremism. They will limit their comments only to the usual Israel should not exist chant/

The script writers are clear in what these anti Israeli spambots can say. Admitting Muslim extremism and its belief that Jews are inferior infidel not worthy of a state or equality with Muslims will not be discussed by them on this board by the spambots.

They won't discuss The Muslim extremism behind the justification of terrorism and denial of a Jewish state being part of the same mandate that fuels Hezbollah, Isis,Al Qaeda,/Al Nusra, ISIS, on and on.

Unity government my ass. Yah they are about as unified as Sunnis and Shiites, ISIS and anyone.

Unity?

Right.

The only thing Hamas/Abbas are is a temporary barely hanging in coalition based on only one thing in common-an agenda to take back Israel and turn it into a Muslim state.

The anti Israelis fighting their anti Zionist war, should travel to Iraq, See how quickly it would take ISIS to behead you.

Geniuses. Hamas are misunderstood. They mean well, They are only like that because of bad Jews.

Yah yah. Move on spambots.

Edited October 10, 2014 by Rue

[PIK]

No one's at this point. There is no sovereign nation. of Palestine. There is however a proposed state with chaos and competing factions.

What does exist are two major factions and hundreds of terror cells. One of the 2 major factions is led by Abbas who now claims a unity government with Hamas.

The fact is Hamas plays it both ways. Its political wing claims to be in the same unity government as Abbas and his faction but in actual fact its military wing does not and has openly stated it has no working relationship with Abbas and or that matter never will.

For that matter Abbas has two wings in his own alleged government, one political and the other Fatah Hawks/Eagles who do not agree with Abbas but have held off of any terrorist attacks since the wall no one likes went up on the West Bank. His military wing refuses to acknowledge Hamas' military wing let alone the political unit of Hamas and is in a continuing state of belligerence with Hamas' military wing.

The reality is the armed terrorist units of both major components are in a continued state of belligerence with one another and hate each other as much if not more than they hate Israel.

Unity government, my ass.

The fact is Both Abbas' faction and Hamas' faction consistent of two parts, one that recognizes no laws at all, the other that claims to engage in politics.

This charade o fbeing one part terrorist and one part politician is a crock.

What is even more of a crock is this notion that this alleged unity government is cohesive and capable of engaging in good will with Israel let alone between its own factions.

Abbas, Hamas, choose whoever you want from whatever Palestinian faction...they have all made it clear they will never accept a Jewish state and not just in Israel but anywhere.

This alleged unity government is a media spin by Abbas because he wants to claim to the UN and world Palestine has one unified government o justify it unilaterally declaring itself a state and continuing to remain at war with an refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state,

Let's get it clear. Abbas stood up in his assembly providing a standing ovation to his fellow members calling for a war to take back Israel

If anybody wants to present him as a reasonable moderate knock yourself out.

At this point there is not one Palestinian politician who dares speak out and say the only way to end this b.s. is to recognize the Jewish state. do that and put down our arms, then Israel can pull out of the West Bank and to other borders because without terrorism, its security concerns become a moot point.

No one will do that in the Palestinian community at this point because if they did they would be killed.

.

At this point it should be vividly clear that the small entourage of anti Israelis on this board who keep reviving this conflict do so because they will not discuss Hamas, the refusal of the Arab world to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and its direct correlation to Muslim terrorism and extremism. They will limit their comments only to the usual Israel should not exist chant/

The script writers are clear in what these anti Israeli spambots can say. Admitting Muslim extremism and its belief that Jews are inferior infidel not worthy of a state or equality with Muslims will not be discussed by them on this board by the spambots.

They won't discuss The Muslim extremism behind the justification of terrorism and denial of a Jewish state being part of the same mandate that fuels Hezbollah, Isis,Al Qaeda,/Al Nusra, ISIS, on and on.

Unity government my ass. Yah they are about as unified as Sunnis and Shiites, ISIS and anyone.

Unity?

Right.

The only thing Hamas/Abbas are is a temporary barely hanging in coalition based on only one thing in common-an agenda to take back Israel and turn it into a Muslim state.

The anti Israelis fighting their anti Zionist war, should travel to Iraq, See how quickly it would take ISIS to behead you.

Geniuses. Hamas are misunderstood. They mean well, They are only like that because of bad Jews.

Yah yah. Move on spambots.

Excellent.

[Hudson Jones]

The wheels are in motion for the inevitable; The recognition of a Palestinian State and the simple right of a people for self-determination. It's slow and it's against the powerful Zionist lobby, but it will come in time.

Sweden is supposed to recognized Palestine:

Sweden will be the first major state of the European Union to recognize Palestine, although some East European countries did so during the Cold War, before they joined the union.

Britain is set to vote to recognize Palestine - this is more symbolic and probably will not become Britain's stance until Labour wins in the next elections, which is expected to:

MPs are on the verge of backing a historic parliamentary vote that would call on the British government to unilaterally recognise the state of Palestine. Politicians on both sides of the deeply divisive issue believe that the motion will be passed after Ed Miliband instructed his MPs to back it.

The resolution, due to be debated on Monday, also has the support of most Liberal Democrat MPs and a number of Tory backbenchers who have so far been given a free vote on the issue. Government ministers are expected to abstain.

Israel and Zionists worldwide are losing their shit and doing what they can to stop this from happening.

[bush_cheney2004]

Oh goody.....maybe it will take their minds off of rocket attacks, suicide bombers, and terror tunnels for at least one day.

[Rue]

Israel and Zionists worldwide are losing their shit and doing what they can to stop this from happening.

Lol. Israel losing their shit? Bummer man. Listen dude. Plenty more shit where that came from.

Why does this sound like a script from some Keannu Reeves movie.

[Big Guy]

A "unity government" would be good for Israel, not bad, as it will give them a credible party to negotiate with in the future. If such a government ever manages to meaningfully establish sovereignty and control over all the dozens of terrorist groups prevalent in Gaza that even Hamas cannot properly rein in.

As for aid... Palestine receives more aid/capita than almost any other state/territory on the planet. They won't have any trouble getting enough aid to do whatever they want. Sadly, "whatever they want" will likely mean a large proportion of the aid will be used on rockets, mortars, tunnels, and propaganda, as it always has.

It seems that the Israeli government disagrees with you;

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/US-will-work-with-Palestinian-unity-government-355164

It looks to me like Israel would prefer the conflict between the two parts of Palestine.

[marcus]

Israel can usually count on the corrupt Fatah and the directionless Hamas from not advancing anything for the Palestinians. But it doesn't matter anymore. The world knows. "the wheels are in motion", indeed.

[jbg]

No one's at this point. There is no sovereign nation. of Palestine. There is however a proposed state with chaos and competing factions.

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Unity government, my ass.

Does this "unity government" even make a pretense of governing anything or just fighting? And while we're at it what plans does either Abbas or Hamas (yes it rhymes) have for the future of a "Palestine" other than continued conflict with each other and butchery of Jews?

This charade of being one part terrorist and one part politician is a crock.

What is even more of a crock is this notion that this alleged unity government is cohesive and capable of engaging in good will with Israel let alone between its own factions.....Unity government my ass. Yah they are about as unified as Sunnis and Shiites, ISIS and anyone.

Unity?

Right.

Again, aside from relations with Israel what plans do they have for internal governance? None.

Abbas, Hamas, choose whoever you want from whatever Palestinian faction...they have all made it clear they will never accept a Jewish state and not just in Israel but anywhere.

Quite true, but the media solons don't want to acknowledge the obvious.

At this point there is not one Palestinian politician who dares speak out and say the only way to end this b.s. is to recognize the Jewish state. do that and put down our arms, then Israel can pull out of the West Bank and to other borders because without terrorism, its security concerns become a moot point.

No one will do that in the Palestinian community at this point because if they did they would be killed.

Quite true. Ask Anwar Sadat.

Geniuses. Hamas are misunderstood. They mean well, They are only like that because of bad Jews.

Yah yah. Move on spambots.

It all comes down to anti-Judaism. Old wine in new bottles.

The wheels are in motion for the inevitable; The recognition of a Palestinian State and the simple right of a people for self-determination. It's slow and it's against the powerful Zionist lobby, but it will come in time.

Sweden is supposed to recognized Palestine:

Sweden will be the first major state of the European Union to recognize Palestine, although some East European countries did so during the Cold War, before they joined the union.

Britain is set to vote to recognize Palestine - this is more symbolic and probably will not become Britain's stance until Labour wins in the next elections, which is expected to:

MPs are on the verge of backing a historic parliamentary vote that would call on the British government to unilaterally recognise the state of Palestine. Politicians on both sides of the deeply divisive issue believe that the motion will be passed after Ed Miliband instructed his MPs to back it.

Politicians in the comfortable precincts of Westminster and Stockholm can always take the expedient path to try to appease their own restive Muslim populations. They take no meaningful steps to integrate them into British or Swedish society so parliamentary resolutions are a cheap and cheesy substitute.

Israel and Zionists worldwide are losing their shit and doing what they can to stop this from happening.

Except on the battlefield where it counts. If Hamas keeps going on this track they'll wind up incinerating their flock.

Lol. Israel losing their shit? Bummer man. Listen dude. Plenty more shit where that came from.

Why does this sound like a script from some Keannu Reeves movie.

Well said. The world never needs excuses to marginalize and hate Jews.

Israel can usually count on the corrupt Fatah and the directionless Hamas from not advancing anything for the Palestinians. But it doesn't matter anymore. The world knows. "the wheels are in motion", indeed.

[Rue]

Say now someone said directionless Hamas and corrupt Fatah. Harsh words from Marcus is it ...

Well Marcus what you gonna do....you think your people are in any position to do better?

Lol.

What you intend to show them how to be effective terrorists do you......

right.

[Big Guy]

Looks like there are a lot of countries who are prepared to help rebuild Gaza (till the next war).

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/10/donors-pledge-cash-gaza-reconstruction-2014101212584558621.html

The Palestinians were asking for about $4 billion to rebuild Gaza. Qatar, who is generously hosting the airplanes of the coalition in its sorties into Syria has promised $1 billion to Gaza and the USA has gone to $212 million. With the EU and other countries pledging, the total is about $5.4 billion.

So Israel invades Gaza, 2,200 Palestinians (mostly civilians) and 75 Israeli's (mostly soldiers) are killed. $millions in Israeli bombs are dropped on Gaza causing $billions in destruction.

Now a few construction companies will make a tidy profit while rebuilding Gaza (until the next attack)

What a stupid, stupid waste of lives and money.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Big Guy

[Bonam]

So Israel attacks Gaza, 2,200 Palestinians (mostly civilians) and 75 Israeli's (mostly soldiers) are killed. $millions in Israeli bombs are dropped on Gaza causing $billions in destruction.

Now a few construction companies will make a tidy profit while rebuilding Gaza (until the next attack)

What a stupid, stupid waste of lives and money.

Stupid stupid waste of lives and money, indeed. That much everyone can agree on. But it's telling that you start the story with "Israel attacks Gaza..."

[Big Guy]

Stupid stupid waste of lives and money, indeed. That much everyone can agree on. But it's telling that you start the story with "Israel attacks Gaza..."

It may also be telling that you question the description of the conflict on Gaza, like shooting fish in a barrel, as an attack. It appears we will continue to see this conflict in a different light. But to satisfy your sensibilities I have changed the wording from "attack" to "invasion". No one will ever convince me that this was a legitimate and proportional response to those wonky rockets going into Israel.

The total fatalities in the history of rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza into Israel is 44. If I am mistaken then please correct the figure.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/rocket-deaths-israel#sthash.Ot09NmYn.dpuf

In just this last attack or invasion or expedition or incursion or visit or whatever of Israel into Gaza caused the death of 73 Israeli soldiers. So about twice the number of Israelis were killed by this latest military maneuver into Gaza than have been killed in Israel for the last 14 years from Gaza rockets and mortar. That makes no sense to me.

We have had a number of threads and posts on this issue already and I stand by my observations and opinion. I started this thread to follow the aftermath and progress of Palestinians after the latest conflict to discuss what was achieved through that conflict, like I have done for Ukraine, Iraq, Syria and the ISIL/coalition war.

[jbg]

No one will ever convince me that this was a legitimate and proportional response to those wonky rockets going into Israel.

I guess you have no appreciation for how disruptive and scary the rocket attacks are to normal everyday life and to people.

[Big Guy]

I guess you have no appreciation for how disruptive and scary the rocket attacks are to normal everyday life and to people.

I do have an appreciation. But I do not think it warrants the kind of retaliation that Israel has chosen. I do understand that there are many people of good conscience that disagree with me - but that is why people have very different opinions. They have that right and I would never get angry at them because they do. Anyway, it is a moot point that has been discussed here often with both sides presenting their case.

Back to Palestine - it will be interesting to see which companies will be doing the construction and how it will take place with Gaza basically cut off from the rest of the Middle East. Workers will be needed as well as materials. The materials needed to rebuild infrastructure can be used to build some of those wonky rockets. If Israel chooses to stop the import of these materials it will give the Palestinians more fodder and create more public support for the new Palestinian government.

I am not sure what this latest invasion of Gaza was supposed to achieve but it does not appear to have solved any problems between the factions.

[Rue]

Big Guy you have no appreciation. You have never been to Gaza, You have never been to Israel. You make assumptions living in a world completelyr removed from the one you think you cast judgement on.

The only thing you appreciate is your sense of entitlement and the entitlement to presume.

[jbg]

I do have an appreciation. But I do not think it warrants the kind of retaliation that Israel has chosen. I do understand that there are many people of good conscience that disagree with me - but that is why people have very different opinions. They have that right and I would never get angry at them because they do. Anyway, it is a moot point that has been discussed here often with both sides presenting their case.

Why should Israel have to tolerate violence against it? No other country in the world would.

Back to Palestine - it will be interesting to see which companies will be doing the construction and how it will take place with Gaza basically cut off from the rest of the Middle East. Workers will be needed as well as materials. The materials needed to rebuild infrastructure can be used to build some of those wonky rockets. If Israel chooses to stop the import of these materials it will give the Palestinians more fodder and create more public support for the new Palestinian government.

I am not sure what this latest invasion of Gaza was supposed to achieve but it does not appear to have solved any problems between the factions.

I am not sure that "materials" should go in or "construction" should proceed. That is how we got where we are with tunnels in the first place.

[Big Guy]

Big Guy you have no appreciation. You have never been to Gaza, You have never been to Israel. You make assumptions living in a world completelyr removed from the one you think you cast judgement on.

The only thing you appreciate is your sense of entitlement and the entitlement to presume.

Big Guy has no appreciation of what is happening in Israel.

Rue has an appreciation of what is happening in Israel.

Big Guy appreciates only his sense of the entitlement to presume.

Rue knows the facts of everything that is happening.

There, see - I got it!!! (for the fifth time) Now go chase somebody else.

[Big Guy]

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I am not sure that "materials" should go in or "construction" should proceed. That is how we got where we are with tunnels in the first place.

What transpires is basically a public relations battle between the forces there. If the Palestinians can put Israel in a position where it will not allow Gaza to be rebuilt, then that will give the Palestinians another opportunity to try to get public support for their complaints.

[Bryan]

Why should Israel have to tolerate violence against it? No other country in the world would.

Israel are the primary perpetrators of the violence, so why should the Palestinians tolerate it?