Big Guy Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 The parents of a 9 year old girl decide to take her to the “Bullets and Burgers” in Arizona. During the course of instruction on an Israeli Uzi the instructor is shot and killed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734769/Arizona-girl-9-accidentally-shoots-shooting-teacher-head-visit-range.html Personally, I am ambivalent on gun control or registered weapons but taking a 9 year old for a hamburger and Uzi has to be one of the weirdest thing the parents can do. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Personally, I am ambivalent on gun control or registered weapons but taking a 9 year old for a hamburger and Uzi has to be one of the weirdest thing the parents can do. Why would you consider it weird? I consider the media source posting the video weird..... As to the accident itself, I’d expect the parents to have signed a waiver absolving the range of any liability, hence I doubt they would be able to sue…….Hopefully the instructor’s family has a good life insurance policy………..accidents happen. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) I agree that 9YO is too young for fully automatic weapons, my kids were 13 when they first fired a fully auto machine gun and I was pretty nervous. The instructor should've been right behind her - supporting her. Or at least do like the carnivals do and have a cable on the gun so it can only fire in a certain direction and can't recoil and get away from the user. Edited August 27, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Indeed....range safety failure as well. I can think of a dozen more "dangerous" things that parents and children routinely do based on annual fatalities and injuries. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 I agree that 9YO is too young for fully automatic weapons, my kids were 13 when they first fired a fully auto machine gun and I was pretty nervous. The instructor should've been right behind her - supporting her. Or at least do like the carnivals do and have a cable on the gun so it can only fire in a certain direction and can't recoil and get away from the user. It's dependant if they have prior safe firearms knowledge.......In this case, I doubt the young girl had, and of course, an Uzi was probably not the best choice for any inexperienced shooter due to its lightweight and inherent muzzle rise………She would have been much better off shooting a full size rifle, like an AK-47 or M-16, with a proper stock….if at all. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Indeed....range safety failure as well. I can think of a dozen more "dangerous" things that parents and children routinely do based on annual fatalities and injuries. Exactly......I chalk this up ultimately up to poor instruction, combined with an inexperienced shooter. Little girls, if trained safely, can handle firearms: God Bless America!!! Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Exactly......I chalk this up ultimately up to poor instruction, combined with an inexperienced shooter. Little girls, if trained safely, can handle firearms: God Bless America!!! That girl is very good and has obviously been well trained - good to see! These burger and an Uzi joints are not training facilities - much like the "Gun Store", they are amusements. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Derek 2.0 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 That girl is very good and has obviously been well trained - good to see! These burger and an Uzi joints are not training facilities - much like the "Gun Store", they are amusements. Oh I agree.......big difference......Quite obviously safe handling should be paramount for shooters of all ages……I avoid these type of sideshows and public ranges like the plague. Quote
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Jesu Christi! Way to perpetuate your longing for a 'made-in-Canada gun culture' equivalency to that in Merika! Quote
BubberMiley Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Why would you consider it weird? Thanks for the hilarious question. That made my day. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Hal 9000 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Jesu Christi! Way to perpetuate your longing for a 'made-in-Canada gun culture' equivalency to that in Merika! It's not a "gun issue" really, I find that it's a workplace safety issue. I'm afraid that it'll become politicized though and all the anti-gun people will force an over-reation. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Black Dog Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 It's not a "gun issue" really, I find that it's a workplace safety issue. I'm afraid that it'll become politicized though and all the anti-gun people will force an over-reation. Unlikely. The gun nuts are strong, Americans can continue to kill each other in great numbers as is their god-given right. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 The parents of a 9 year old girl decide to take her to the “Bullets and Burgers” in Arizona. During the course of instruction on an Israeli Uzi the instructor is shot and killed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734769/Arizona-girl-9-accidentally-shoots-shooting-teacher-head-visit-range.html Personally, I am ambivalent on gun control or registered weapons but taking a 9 year old for a hamburger and Uzi has to be one of the weirdest thing the parents can do. A pox on you......this thread will lead to nothing except Derek's gun porn postings and rants against OGFT. Exit. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Jesu Christi! Way to perpetuate your longing for a 'made-in-Canada gun culture' equivalency to that in Merika! Waldo, what is so wrong in “perpetrating” the safe operation of firearms? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 It's not a "gun issue" really, I find that it's a workplace safety issue. I'm afraid that it'll become politicized though and all the anti-gun people will force an over-reation. Not likely, and not in Arizona. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 27, 2014 Author Report Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Why would you consider it weird? I consider the media source posting the video weird..... ... Coverage on TV later indicated that the minimal age for children to use the facility for single shot weapons is 5 years old and for automatic weapons is 8 years old. I question the parenting skills of those people who feel that a 5 year old firing live ammunition and/or an 8 year old in control of an automatic weapon is acceptable. I am pretty sure that there is no argument that would convince me that the shooting of live ammunition is an appropriate pastime for a 5 or 8 year old. I see no benefit for the normal character development in a child. Edited August 27, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Coverage on TV later indicated that the minimal age for children to use the facility for single shot weapons is 5 years old and for automatic weapons is 8 years old. I question the parenting skills of those people who feel that a 5 year old firing live ammunition and/or an 8 year old in control of an automatic weapon is acceptable. I am pretty sure that there is no argument that would convince me that the shooting of live ammunition is an appropriate pastime for a 5 or 8 year old. I see no benefit for the normal character development in a child. Its certainly dependant on the maturity of the child and the level of supervision by a responsible adult………..Cub Scouts in Canada had (not sure if still in place) shooting sports programs, likewise the various cadet programs, catered to the safe operation of firearms…….Likewise, many children today go hunting etc. I taught my children at a youngish age (~7-9 years of age) and have had no negative issues with character development, and would opine that teaching them at such an age ingrained a measure of responsibility and respect, coupled with the demystifying of firearms. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Indeed....range safety failure as well. I can think of a dozen more "dangerous" things that parents and children routinely do based on annual fatalities and injuries. Like what, snorting cocaine and driving race cars in the city?: Quote
PIK Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Jesu Christi! Way to perpetuate your longing for a 'made-in-Canada gun culture' equivalency to that in Merika!We have one already. Just not as nuts as the americans. And she was not the only one. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/#.U_4QMmSwIaVAn Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Black Dog Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Like what, snorting cocaine and driving race cars in the city?: Just driving a regular car would probably be more dangerous, given how common that is and how rare 9-year-olds firing Uzis is by comparison. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 We have one already. Just not as nuts as the americans. And she was not the only one. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/#.U_4QMmSwIaVAn Hundreds of kids die from guns each year, both in accidents, suicides and crimes. Freedom ain't free. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 It's not a "gun issue" really, I find that it's a workplace safety issue. I'm afraid that it'll become politicized though and all the anti-gun people will force an over-reation. A "workplace safety issue"? Now that is wierd. So I guess you might equate this with let's say the 9 year old was working as a mechanic in a garage and got crushed by a car settling down off the hoist. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) A "workplace safety issue"? Now that is wierd. So I guess you might equate this with let's say the 9 year old was working as a mechanic in a garage and got crushed by a car settling down off the hoist. No it would be like a adult mechanic letting a small child operate the hoist while he's under it. Edited August 27, 2014 by Black Dog Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Just driving a regular car would probably be more dangerous, given how common that is and how rare 9-year-olds firing Uzis is by comparison. I will concede that your environment growing up would have an influence, i.e. growing up on a farm in the country where dad probably picked off the odd gopher and maybe bagged a deer in the fall, as opposed to in the heart of the city, but I still can't fathom why a 9 year old would have any interest in, or need to, be versed in handling an Uzi. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 No it would be like a adult mechanic letting a small child operate the hoist while he's under it. You are correct, your scenario more closely parallells this accident. In both cases someone is going to get hurt and both are clearly predictable and preventable. Quote
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