Football Penalties

[WestCoastRunner]

This issues have drawn attention to it. Nothing wrong with it. Lots of talk on the media about child abuse.

Yes they have, but many people have a problem with it.

[WestCoastRunner]

And it's not just the NFL looking after their best interests. Let's not forget Tiger Woods! And all he did was commit adultery!

[Boges]

And it's not just the NFL looking after their best interests. Let's not forget Tiger Woods! And all he did was commit adultery!

Didn't Tiger Woods' ex wife chase him with a golf club.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Boges

[Black Dog]

Thats the thread drift. It was brought up that NFL players are arrested at a higher rate than in other pro sports.

Why? Some seem to think it's because the NFL invests nothing in player development. I think it's just the demographics of the players that excel in the sport.

What demo would that be?

Perhaps its the culture of the sport itself that's at fault. That and the CTE.

[Boges]

What demo would that be?

Perhaps its the culture of the sport itself that's at fault. That and the CTE.

But then you'd see comparable rates in Hockey. Heck they let their players punch each other.

I won't wade into issues of race (Google Richie Incognito), I'll just keep it at certain socio-economic background of people who end up playing football at high levels.

CTE manifests itself after the players finish playing. It begs the question is the money worth the risk of long term health problems.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Boges

[overthere]

Thats paying players. The NFL wouldn't pay them, the school would.

It's a complicated issue. Who gets paid? Only football player? Only the players that generate money?

I don't have a solid position on it. Both sides have good points.

College football is immensely profitable for the schools, through large gates, merchandise and big TV contracts. They also use football to leverage fat money from alumni, another big source of cash.

Those revenue streams will be challenged if they have to start paying players, which seems very likely. They'll be looking to the NFL to help out with that, somehting the NFL can easily afford since they are so successful.

[Boges]

College football is immensely profitable for the schools, through large gates, merchandise and big TV contracts. They also use football to leverage fat money from alumni, another big source of cash.

Those revenue streams will be challenged if they have to start paying players, which seems very likely. They'll be looking to the NFL to help out with that, somehting the NFL can easily afford since they are so successful.

But remember it's not the school, it's the NCAA that tries to maintain the illusion of the student athlete. I'm sure the schools would happily cut a cheque to a 5-star recruit to commit to playing for them.

[overthere]

But remember it's not the school, it's the NCAA that tries to maintain the illusion of the student athlete. I'm sure the schools would happily cut a cheque to a 5-star recruit to commit to playing for them.

Um, no. The NCAA is created by the schools, it is effectively an employer/employee relationship and the NCAA will do what they're told to do.

The giant gorilla in the background for the schools(which ARE the NCAA) is anti trust legislation. None of them want to pay one penny in salary or signing bonus to any player of any skill level for the obvious reason that it creates a landslide of expense for them in a bidding frenzy. And that means reduced profit. It's a huge business with a bizarre vacuum on the expense side of the ledger. None f them have any motivation at all to change that.

[Wilber]

Thats the thread drift. It was brought up that NFL players are arrested at a higher rate than in other pro sports.

Why? Some seem to think it's because the NFL invests nothing in player development. I think it's just the demographics of the players that excel in the sport.

When I brought up player developement, I was just pointing out the differences in the way the leagues work and speculating on whether it was one of the reasons for the differences in arrest rates. No doubt there are more than one.

Leagues like the NFL take no part in the developement of their recruits as people or players until they are drafted. Maybe they need to change that.

[Boges]

When I brought up player developement, I was just pointing out the differences in the way the leagues work and speculating on whether it was one of the reasons for the differences in arrest rates. No doubt there are more than one.

Leagues like the NFL take no part in the developement of their recruits as people or players until they are drafted. Maybe they need to change that.

College football is more profitable than any other minor league so that's doubtful. I haven't even heard of a movement to have the NFL create a D-League.

[Boges]

Goddell had a press conference today and says the entire NFL is basically going to get sensitivity training.

Scandal over!

Wait what? No it's not?

[guyser]

Not as long as the sponsors keep jumping ship it isnt.

The problem is.....the league is full of idiot thugs, same as basketball.

[Boges]

Not as long as the sponsors keep jumping ship it isnt.

The problem is.....the league is full of idiot thugs, same as basketball.

Only one sponsor has ACTUALLY jumped ship. Locally for the Vikings.

BTW isn't it the height of irony that a beer company acts concerned about domestic violence?

Are people going to actually stop watching Football over this? I doubt it.

[guyser]

BTW isn't it the height of irony that a beer company acts concerned about domestic violence?

No, why is it ironic?

[Mighty AC]

Are people going to actually stop watching Football over this? I doubt it.

Many have vowed to stop watching, but I expect that's more of an empty threat.

[Boges]

No, why is it ironic?

Consumption of alcohol greatly increases the likelihood of domestic violence.

[Boges]

BTW Proctor and Gamble has also bailed on a project about Breast Cancer they were going to do with the NFL.

[Boges]

Many have vowed to stop watching, but I expect that's more of an empty threat.

If you're a big fan of a team, you won't stop watching.

[guyser]

Consumption of alcohol greatly increases the likelihood of domestic violence.

True, but not ironic.

Now if they were marketing beer to bash woman.....

[WestCoastRunner]

Didn't Tiger Woods' ex wife chase him with a golf club.

And she attacked his very expensive car . She didn't touch him.

[Big Guy]

This domestic violence and sports penalties thing can get pretty dumb;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/22/u-s-soccer-stands-by-decision-to-allow-hope-solo-to-play-despite-domestic-violence-charges/#

At least this appears to be a gender neutral issue.

[Mighty AC]

The NFL demonstrated more hypocrisy during the Chiefs/Patriots game last night. NFL players routinely make religious gestures after big plays. I think Tebow even trademarked his ridiculous pose. However, last night a Chiefs safety was penalized for a brief Muslim prayer after scoring his second, ever, TD.

http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2014/09/30/3573748/husain-abdullah-muslim-prayer-nfl/

[Boges]

The NFL demonstrated more hypocrisy during the Chiefs/Patriots game last night. NFL players routinely make religious gestures after big plays. I think Tebow even trademarked his ridiculous pose. However, last night a Chiefs safety was penalized for a brief Muslim prayer after scoring his second, ever, TD.

http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2014/09/30/3573748/husain-abdullah-muslim-prayer-nfl/

They admitted it was a mistake this morning.

Penalizing celebrations is silly and tedious though.

[Big Guy]

They admitted it was a mistake this morning.

Penalizing celebrations is silly and tedious though.

But are these really celebrations? Looks to me like they are well rehearsed short plays (like in theatre) where the actors try to do something that will get them into the TVF highlights the next day. I am looking forward to the New Orleans front line forming a can-can kick line on the goal line and doing their thing or maybe the Dallas Cowboys offensive team form a Conga line after a TD and dancing their way off the field.

As long as it is not taunting or derisive of the opposition then I say let them play on.

Some of those celebrations are really stupid. Jumping around after tackling a quarterback looks silly to me. What do we expect that player to do?

The funniest celebration I saw was when Detroit's new "iron man" (Tulloch, who's never missed a game in his NFL career) tackled Green Bay's quarterback Aaron Rogers for a 7 yard loss. Tulloch jumped to his feet to celebrate the sack and appeared to be mimicking Rogers' touchdown pass when he tore out his left knee cruciate ligament and is out for the season.

[Boges]

I think rule of thumb is that if it takes more than 2 seconds or if it appears choreographed it's excessive.