marcus Posted June 11, 2015 Report Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Will the US have to stop the Billions in "welfare cheques" to Arab countries as well? I hope so. But don't forget, those welfare cheques have conditions on them. If the Arab dictators don't follow what the U.S. government (see prostitutes) tell them to do, then they don't get the welfare cheques. Israel, on the other hand, continues to get away with whatever they want and they continue to receive the welfare cheques. Edited June 11, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Canada_First Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 I hope so. But don't forget, those welfare cheques have conditions on them. If the Arab dictators don't follow what the U.S. government (see prostitutes) tell them to do, then they don't get the welfare cheques. Israel, on the other hand, continues to get away with whatever they want and they continue to receive the welfare cheques. What do you define as doing whatever they want? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Did we go too long without mentioning the U.S.? Don't worry. The U.S. will either have to stop the billions in welfare cheques to Israel or put a condition on it. The BDS movement will eventually be too strong for the prostitutes in the U.S. government to continue to turn tricks for Israel. Just as I posted....can't/won't BDS the United States....biggest supporter of Israel. I think it is very clear now who the "prostitutes" are....and always have been. Edited June 12, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 What do you define as doing whatever they want? The illegal settlement expansion that U.S. is officially against is one of them. Israel's constant foot dragging in dealing with international law and most recently, making it official that they will not accept a Palestinian State, which is also against U.S.' official stance. Despite Israel's constant breaking of international law and U.S. official stances, the U.S. continues to give them the welfare cheques every year. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 .... Despite Israel's constant breaking of international law and U.S. official stances, the U.S. continues to give them the welfare cheques every year. That's right....just as those nations/firms sponsoring an official "BDS" stance against Israel keep doing lots of business with the U.S. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Canada_First Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 The illegal settlement expansion that U.S. is officially against is one of them. Israel's constant foot dragging in dealing with international law and most recently, making it official that they will not accept a Palestinian State, which is also against U.S.' official stance. Despite Israel's constant breaking of international law and U.S. official stances, the U.S. continues to give them the welfare cheques every year. A nation is allowed to take over neighbour's lands. Spoils of war. Palestine is not a recognized state by anyone of official nature. They're run by a terrorist organization. Two of them actually. The same people who planned Munich are now acting like sheep as they launch rockets into Israel. They need to stop attacking Israel. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Actually this practice is not allowed in modern times. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
dre Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Actually this practice is not allowed in modern times. Well... its illegal in modern times, but its still allowed most of the time, because "international law" is enforced by corrupt cops that are primarily concerned with their own interests. Its sorta like smoking pot in Amsterdaam. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Actually this practice is not allowed in modern times. It's not ? Ever heard of Ukraine ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 It's not ? Ever heard of Ukraine ? This is true - Russia got away with this, due to the "might makes right" axiom that you have defended on here. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 This is true - Russia got away with this, due to the "might makes right" axiom that you have defended on here. And the US got away with it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya AND Ukraine ..... and we see how that turns out. The big boys wont go toe to toe, because they know it will result in mass death on both sides. So proxy wars it is. You could see ISIS as helping the USA in terms of keeping an area under conflict so Russia won't make any headway in. Quote
marcus Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 A nation is allowed to take over neighbour's lands. Not really. You are wrong. It's not allowed. Even Canada, just like the rest of the world, despite its current prime minister, sees the settlements as illegal. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 This is true - Russia got away with this, due to the "might makes right" axiom that you have defended on here. Nobody has to defend the obvious. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Nobody has to defend the obvious. But there are those who want to !!! Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 And the US got away with it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya AND Ukraine ..... "A nation is allowed to take over neighbour's lands." That's what we're debating. Show me US territory 'taken over' in those countries please. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Canada_First Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Not really. You are wrong. It's not allowed. Even Canada, just like the rest of the world, despite its current prime minister, sees the settlements as illegal. Well if they're illegal why isn't other nations invading Israel? Like Saudi Arabia or any of the Islamic nations surrounding Israel! It would seem to me that all these countries dislike Israel they'd be eager to wipe it from the map. Truth is that Palestine is a myth so you cannot do anything illegal against a nation that doesnt exist. Thats the truth people forget to mention. The Arabs are squatting on Israeli lands. Just a matter of time before Israel takes it all and pushes the Arabs back into the other Arab nations. Edited June 13, 2015 by Canada_First Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Well if they're illegal why isn't other nations invading Israel? I guess you're new to world politics. We didn't invade Russia either when they asserted themselves against Ukraine. It would seem to me that all these countries dislike Israel they'd be eager to wipe it from the map. I guess you're new to history too. 3 countries tried that in 1967: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War It didn't go well for them. Keep reading on here, this is a good place to get background from both sides of these debates. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rue Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) As usual Michael Harder you spin history. Israel has never annexed another state's land so when you use deliberately watered down term like,'take over a neighbour's land" for me its just you couching its context to make it sound like Israel annexed another state's land. You know daned well that the West Bank is not and has never been a sovereign state and that makes a huge difference as to the law that must be applied. As for your selective and what I call screaming buas in which conflicts you are concerned about and rephrase get back to me when remember China/Tibet, China's illegal seizures of Vietnamese Islands, the disputes between China and Taiwan, the disputes between China, Japan and Russia in which China has seized islands unilaterally, the disputes between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. The border wars of Bolivia, Paraguay,Brazil,Argentina, Chile Equidor. Iran,Iraq,Bahrain, Yemen, Sudan and West Sudan,Turkey, Iran and Iraq, Greece and Turkey and/or Cyprus, Russia and Finland, Ethiopia and Eritrea,Kenya and Somalia,Rwanda and Burundi, to name just a few. Edited June 13, 2015 by Rue Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 As usual Michael Harder you spin history. Israel has never annexed another state's land so when you use deliberately watered down term like,'take over a neighbour's land" for me its just you couching its context to make it sound like Israel annexed another state's land. You're inferring something that I didn't' say. Look back to show me where I said that about Israel: I did not. The rest of your post seems to stem from that error. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Canada_First Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) I guess you're new to world politics. We didn't invade Russia either when they asserted themselves against Ukraine. I guess you're new to history too. 3 countries tried that in 1967: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War It didn't go well for them. Keep reading on here, this is a good place to get background from both sides of these debates. Palestine isn't a nation at all. It's nothing really. Just some land that is being squatted on by some Arabs. I suspect no nation will do anything about Israel except talk and wag fingers and say tsk tsk a lot.I'm familiar with the history of the region. That was 50 years ago. No one's army has progressed beyond that strength they had then? I suspect that they other Islamic nations are just a lot of hot air. Saudi Arabia and Iran could give Israel a good run for its money but alas, they gate each other. KSA alone may be able to defeat Israel. Why don't they try? It's in thier constitution to hate Jews and to hate Isreal. Just find it strange that no nation has the stones to back up thier words. Edited June 14, 2015 by Canada_First Quote
jbg Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 First you try to boil down a complex and long running conflict into "one side is right, the other is wrong" even though historical events over there just flat out dont support it. Then you follow up that piece of fetid cammel dung with "Arabs do not want peace they want blood", which is a racist generalization against a whole race of people... the vast majority of whom dont try to spill anyones blood at all. Then why whenever the Arabs get handed almost everything they want do they introduce into the talks such non-starters as "right of return"? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 This is true - Russia got away with this, due to the "might makes right" axiom that you have defended on here. But since Israel is a Jewish country it's not allowed to do that. And its legitimacy is subject to challenge. But Russia? Hey, it's a workers' paradise. It can do as its leader pleases. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 But since Israel is a Jewish country it's not allowed to do that. And its legitimacy is subject to challenge. But Russia? Hey, it's a workers' paradise. It can do as its leader pleases. What in the ever loving f%^k are you even talking about? Israel HAS been allowed to do exactly that. They have been given almost a complete pass, by the international community on their little ethnic cleansing / landgrab project. What world do you even live in? Russia is facing potentially crippling santions for its actions. Its seriously amazing that the cluelessness you trot out around here on a regular basis is even possible. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 What in the ever loving f%^k are you even talking about? Israel HAS been allowed to do exactly that. They have been given almost a complete pass, by the international community on their little ethnic cleansing / landgrab project. What world do you even live in? Russia is facing potentially crippling santions for its actions. Its seriously amazing that the cluelessness you trot out around here on a regular basis is even possible. The drop in oil prices may be crippling; the sanctions, not so much. Do you seriously think Putin isn't a very wealthy man? And does anyone really think Russia is not setting its sights on Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia? Would you invest money in their stock markets? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted June 15, 2015 Report Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Well if they're illegal why isn't other nations invading Israel? Like Saudi Arabia or any of the Islamic nations surrounding Israel! It would seem to me that all these countries dislike Israel they'd be eager to wipe it from the map. Truth is that Palestine is a myth so you cannot do anything illegal against a nation that doesnt exist. Thats the truth people forget to mention. The Arabs are squatting on Israeli lands. Just a matter of time before Israel takes it all and pushes the Arabs back into the other Arab nations. All I am seeing from you is misinformation after misinformation, patched together in a poorly written paragraph. I would have to spend too much time to teach you about the history, the dynamics of the players and your confused question. What matters here and that you would need to understand is that Israel is receiving the largest welfare cheque from the United States. The biggest difference between Israel and the other recipients, besides the amount, is that Israel is the only country that has no condition attached to their welfare cheques. They are allowed to get away with violations of international law against the Palestinians, who have a deeper connection to Palestine and modern day Israel and have lived in the region longer than the European Jewish colonizers. Edited June 15, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
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