bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 No problems at all, eh? How many "school shootings" before 2012 ? Gun homicides are way down, despite higher gun ownership. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 No one is saying there isn't a problem. The problem though is with the outcasts, not the weapons, as we learned with Daniel St. Hubert. Other countries have outcasts too and the problem isn't even remotely as bad as it is in the US. Quote
monty16 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Posted June 11, 2014 JBG is probably right in saying these two were fruitcakes who should have been ignored. But my reason is suggesting the revolution starting is because it gains sympathy with a large number of Americans. Any other forum where there are a large number of Americans will have some displaying the yellow flag of the teabagger movement. And even though people on this forum are going to be cautious of aligning themselves with that 'Don't tread on me' message, they actually do so. I think that bush/cheney's screen name is an example of his aligning himself with that movement but his denial of such would put my suspicions into question. Others likewise, based on what they say. It's not just a few kooks in the US, it's most likely millions who are expressing the same thoughts and they are the teabagger movement. Can I hear some denial of that from them now? Quote
Shady Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 JBG is probably right in saying these two were fruitcakes who should have been ignored.But my reason is suggesting the revolution starting is because it gains sympathy with a large number of Americans. Any other forum where there are a large number of Americans will have some displaying the yellow flag of the teabagger movement. And even though people on this forum are going to be cautious of aligning themselves with that 'Don't tread on me' message, they actually do so.I think that bush/cheney's screen name is an example of his aligning himself with that movement but his denial of such would put my suspicions into question. Others likewise, based on what they say.It's not just a few kooks in the US, it's most likely millions who are expressing the same thoughts and they are the teabagger movement. Can I hear some denial of that from them now? Using the term teabagger is against forum rules. That would be like me referring to the Dumocrats or the Lieberals. Quote
jbg Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) JBG is probably right in saying these two were fruitcakes who should have been ignored.Thank you. But my reason is suggesting the revolution starting is because it gains sympathy with a large number of Americans. Any other forum where there are a large number of Americans will have some displaying the yellow flag of the teabagger movement. And even though people on this forum are going to be cautious of aligning themselves with that 'Don't tread on me' message, they actually do so."Don't tread on me" reflects libertarianism, not a tendency towards murder. One of the real differences between the U.S. and Canada is, according to a book called Continental Divide by Seymour Lipset, the overall attitude towards government. In the U.S. both the Left and the Right agree that the government is the enemy. It's the consequences of government's villainy that divide them. If you remember during the rebellious late 60's and early 70's the Left focused on "the Man" and often used the slogan "off the pigs" to describe their attitudes towards policy. Today, right-wing nutbars are no better. In Canada both the Left and the Right like an all-embracing government; it's what the government should do that divides them. So don't be so quick to attribute all ills to the "Tea Party" (the correct term). It's not just a few kooks in the US, it's most likely millions who are expressing the same thoughts and they are the teabagger movement. Can I hear some denial of that from them now?From my experience it's mostly kooks. Using the term teabagger is against forum rules. That would be like me referring to the Dumocrats or the Lieberals.The Tea Party is not an official organization. While Monty and I definitely don't like each other I don't think he broke any rules here. Edited June 11, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 .... In Canada both the Left and the Right like an all-embracing government; it's what the government should do that divides them. So don't be so quick to attribute all ills to the "Tea Party" (the correct term). Good observation.....JFK could never have successfully uttered ...."ask not what your country can do for you..." in Canada. The American experience is different, as is Canada's, and that's OK. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 How many "school shootings" before 2012 ? Gun homicides are way down, despite higher gun ownership. Down somewhat yes, but still 700% higher than in Canada. Quote
jbg Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 Good observation.....JFK could never have successfully uttered ...."ask not what your country can do for you..." in Canada. The American experience is different, as is Canada's, and that's OK. Thanks, but Seymour Lipset gets the credit. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Bob Macadoo Posted June 11, 2014 Report Posted June 11, 2014 Good observation.....JFK could never have successfully uttered ...."ask not what your country can do for you..." in Canada. The American experience is different, as is Canada's, and that's OK. It would have been more like "ask what your country can do for you but expect a quid pro quo for your country." Quote
monty16 Posted June 11, 2014 Author Report Posted June 11, 2014 Thank you. "Don't tread on me" reflects libertarianism, not a tendency towards murder. One of the real differences between the U.S. and Canada is, according to a book called Continental Divide by Seymour Lipset, the overall attitude towards government. In the U.S. both the Left and the Right agree that the government is the enemy. It's the consequences of government's villainy that divide them. If you remember during the rebellious late 60's and early 70's the Left focused on "the Man" and often used the slogan "off the pigs" to describe their attitudes towards policy. Today, right-wing nutbars are no better. In Canada both the Left and the Right like an all-embracing government; it's what the government should do that divides them. So don't be so quick to attribute all ills to the "Tea Party" (the correct term). From my experience it's mostly kooks. The Tea Party is not an official organization. While Monty and I definitely don't like each other I don't think he broke any rules here. I can also agree with you that Americans are less into government than Canadians on the average even though I wouldn't say that either all the American left or right is opposed to government. I would say 'big government' but I think that's mostly an illusion of the libertarians. I know that the 'don't tread on me' flag is a libertarian trade mark, or at least has been adopted by them as such. However, I would suggest that it's more teabagger than it is libertarian. I think that there are few real libertarians and are only hiding behind the ideological meaning. There's no more reason now for a surge in libertarianism than there was before Obama because in fact Obama hasn't become a representative of big government. My explanation for it is that teabaggers are real standing behind an agenda of racist hate. Leaders such as Cruz and Rand Paul accept them as followers because it's the highest quality of people they can attract. And finally, it's no coincidence that those proposing violence and murder at Cliven Bundy's ranch were teabaggers. The libertarian agenda is not synonymous with murder and violence, it is a futile effort at 'pie in the sky' government that can never be. I wouldn't accuse a libertarian of resorting to violence in order to bring his agenda into being recognized. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 ...And finally, it's no coincidence that those proposing violence and murder at Cliven Bundy's ranch were teabaggers. The libertarian agenda is not synonymous with murder and violence, it is a futile effort at 'pie in the sky' government that can never be. I wouldn't accuse a libertarian of resorting to violence in order to bring his agenda into being recognized. Such "violence" is perfectly consistent with the American experience from the very beginning...as in booting the monarchy to the curb. The U.S. was born of war, and grew in war(s) to become the superpower that it is today. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
monty16 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 Such "violence" is perfectly consistent with the American experience from the very beginning...as in booting the monarchy to the curb. The U.S. was born of war, and grew in war(s) to become the superpower that it is today. I was sort of hoping that this was the beginning of the revolution myself. You need to go get your gun or dig it up from your potato garden because the government or something is going to come and take your guns away. One thing you can be sure of is that the black people are arming themselves in order to protect themselves and Barack. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) ...One thing you can be sure of is that the black people are arming themselves in order to protect themselves and Barack. Nonsense...the "black people" arm themselves to protect life and property where they live, just like "white people". The right to own and bear arms has been upheld by the courts in cities like D.C. because of this very condition. The revolution that really mattered got rid of a king and his imperial empire. Edited June 12, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Nonsense...the "black people" arm themselves to protect life and property where they live, just like "white people". The right to own and bear arms has been upheld by the courts in cities like D.C. because of this very condition. The revolution that really mattered got rid of a king and his imperial empire. Let's not bring race into bearing arms. Everbody does down there, because everybody else does, and nobody's sure why. Which underscores that old adage about "paranoia will destroy ya" Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 and they are the teabagger movement. Shady is right, I think - we don't condone using that term here. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jbg Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Shady is right, I think - we don't condone using that term here.As an American I do not see "teabagger" as being equivalent of "Dumocrats." The Democratic Party is an official organization with an official name. There is no such official organization as the "Tea Party" to my knowledge. Indeed even that term, depending on who is using it, is either salubrious or pejorative. While some consider my views to be relatively conservative I do not thing that "teabagger" is an epithet. Edited June 12, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 Good observation.....JFK could never have successfully uttered ...."ask not what your country can do for you..." in Canada. The American experience is different, as is Canada's, and that's OK. Yup that's why you'd never see things like the New Deal, the GI Bill, the Interstate highway system or Medicade happen in 'murica. Good lord. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 I was sort of hoping that this was the beginning of the revolution myself. You need to go get your gun or dig it up from your potato garden because the government or something is going to come and take your guns away. One thing you can be sure of is that the black people are arming themselves in order to protect themselves and Barack. This post has to be one of your best tinfoil hat moments ever....the revolution has started indeed ... Does the hospital not regulate what subjects your post.....it seems they don't here either.... I guess American bashing is a sport here, BC got room on your bench.....maybe it's because we can't face our own trurths....maybe it's because our debating skills are so low, since we can't swear, we bash americans....i'm not sure what it is...but it certainly a canadian trait... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
GostHacked Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 I guess American bashing is a sport here, BC got room on your bench.....maybe it's because we can't face our own trurths....maybe it's because our debating skills are so low, since we can't swear, we bash americans....i'm not sure what it is...but it certainly a canadian trait... We bash the American government here, not the people. And whenever we do talk about US things, we get a typical troll response of 'Canada' or something similar from our self proclaimed mocker/troller. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) ...I guess American bashing is a sport here, BC got room on your bench.....maybe it's because we can't face our own trurths....maybe it's because our debating skills are so low, since we can't swear, we bash americans....i'm not sure what it is...but it certainly a canadian trait... It's all good...and an endless source of entertainment around here...no batteries required. The biggest America bashers always claim it is only about their government. Then they kiss the federal border guards to go shopping "in the states" ! Go figure..... Edited June 12, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
monty16 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 This post has to be one of your best tinfoil hat moments ever....the revolution has started indeed ... Does the hospital not regulate what subjects your post.....it seems they don't here either.... I guess American bashing is a sport here, BC got room on your bench.....maybe it's because we can't face our own trurths....maybe it's because our debating skills are so low, since we can't swear, we bash americans....i'm not sure what it is...but it certainly a canadian trait... It's meant to mock the reality that is the US. Have you never heard them talk about the coming revolution? Have you never heard them talk about the government taking all their guns? Have you never heard them saying that they need their guns to protect themselves from their own government? And it's the teabaggers fringe that are doing the talking! I certainly do bash the US government because I'm now certain that it's led that country into being the evil aggressor nation of the world. We can't ignore the facts. And I don't bash the people of the US unless they perform ignorant, stupid, evil, or otherwise unjust deeds that should be condemned. I even condemn the American people when they talk about performing those evil deeds. If your military mindset causes you to sympathize with their evil then make your point. If you can't do that without insulting me again then you had best not even try. Quote
monty16 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 There's no reason why Kennedy's words, Ask not what ....... etc. couldn't have been spoken in Canada as well. I suspect that the words wouldn't have been as noticed because of they being quite unremarkable. Only americans would make a big issue out of such mediocre drivel. And generally, an assassinated president gets a lot more fame thrown on him than a live one. It doesn't even approach the importance or brilliance of Churchill's speeches or memorable lines. Some chicken, some neck! Tommy Douglas's story in parliament about the white cats and the black cats was a lot more important and certainly funnier. The Americans only wish that some of their presidents could be remembered as great. The only one that approached great was and still is hated by half the country. (Roosevelt) Quote
monty16 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 Like as if the US apologists don't understand why the US gets a bad rap? http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tea+partiers+with+their+guns+pictures&qpvt=tea+partiers+with+their+guns+pictures&FORM=IGRE#a Haters and racist freaks who just happen to be gaining some support in the Republican party of the south. As if they aren't hot for a chance to use their guns on some of their fellow Americans? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 12, 2014 Report Posted June 12, 2014 The Americans only wish that some of their presidents could be remembered as great. The only one that approached great was and still is hated by half the country. (Roosevelt) JFK's legacy is not worried about Tommy Douglas, the Greatest Canadian...eugenicist...and communist. The world knows who JFK was....Mr. Douglas...not so much. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
monty16 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Report Posted June 12, 2014 Tommy Douglas was a communist? You see, that's the problem with their thinking in a nutshell, even though this one couldn't be considered to be representative of any rationality when it comes to politics. There's an infestation in that country and it's growing at an alarming rate. Soon the norm could be the irrational hate that is being demonstrated by the teabagger movement. It endangers the world even though it endangers themselves first. It really could become a shooting war amongst themselves! Quote
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