This week in Islam

[Guest]

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

The thread deteriorated to encourage hatred of all Muslims. 

No it didn't.  It might be difficult to separate legitimate criticism from "hatred of all Muslims" because there is so much to criticize.

Edited December 18, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[WestCoastRunner]

Just now, bcsapper said:

No it didn't.  It might be difficult to separate legitimate criticism from "hatred of all Muslims" because there is so much to criticize.

Exactly. The thread should be called 'let's critize muslim citizens around the world'. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Exactly. The thread should be called 'let's critize muslim citizens around the world'. 

Legitimately.  Where it is justified.

That said, lots of people, including me, post positive things too.  So your thread title might not be that appropriate.

Edited December 18, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[WestCoastRunner]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Legitimately.  Where it is justified.

Or 'let's critize white men in canada' for domestic violence and killings. 

I understand the retaliatory thread that was created about Christians etc. 

These threads are filled with hatred and one upmanship. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Or 'let's critize white men in canada' for domestic violence and killings. 

I understand the retaliatory thread that was created about Christians etc. 

These threads are filled with hatred and one upmanship. 

Any thread you like.

That's what I told MH when he asked about merging them. It would become a competition.

Edited December 18, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[WestCoastRunner]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Any thread you like.

That's what I told MH when he asked about merging them. It would become a competition.

It already is. At least if they are merged we only have to avoid or respond to one thread when trying to compete. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

It already is. At least if they are merged we only have to avoid or respond to one thread when trying to compete. 

Sure.  I think he said he was going to, regardless. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[WestCoastRunner]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Sure.  I think he said he was going to, regardless. 

I hope he does. It would at least point out that there is more to it then religion. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[Guest]

1 minute ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I hope he does. 

At least then there could be no complaints with regard to posts about Islam.

Edited December 18, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[WestCoastRunner]

Just now, bcsapper said:

At least then there could be no complaints with regard to posts about Islam.

Or Muslims or Jews or Christians. 

[WestCoastRunner]

I wonder if this is thread drift and all our well thought our posts will be deleted. Such a waste of time. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I wonder if this is thread drift and all our well thought our posts will be deleted. Such a waste of time. 

If they don't delete the posts about nautical miles in the 51st state thread I think we're safe.

Edited December 18, 2016 by bcsapper

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

It was setup to encourage prejudice and hate. 

You'll have to ask Kimmy her intentions, but I presume it was set up to document and discuss the ongoing series of outrages perpetrated by the followers of Islamism because they offend her sense of justice and equality.

Edited December 18, 2016 by Argus

[WestCoastRunner]

10 minutes ago, Argus said:

You'll have to ask Kimmy her intentions, but I presume it was set up to document and discuss the ongoing series of outrages perpetrated by the followers of Islamism because they offend her sense of justice and equality.

I would suggest that these type of threads be more focused on a topic. If they aren't, it quickly degenerates into a free fall of hatred. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[WestCoastRunner]

10 minutes ago, Argus said:

You'll have to ask Kimmy her intentions, but I presume it was set up to document and discuss the ongoing series of outrages perpetrated by the followers of Islamism because they offend her sense of justice and equality.

I would suggest that these types of threads be more focused on a topic. If they aren't, it quickly degenerates into a free fall of hatred. They are too generalized to seriously discuss issues and possible solutions. Honestly,  has anything constructive come out of this thread?  

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I would suggest that these type of threads be more focused on a topic. If they aren't, it quickly degenerates into a free fall of hatred. 

Hatred is a valid emotion when reflecting on some things.  Refer to your posts about trafficking.  Do you not feel hatred?

Or something close to it.

Edited December 18, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[WestCoastRunner]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Hatred is a valid emotion when reflecting on some things.  Refer to your posts about trafficking.  Do you not feel hatred?

Or something close to it.

I still think it was too generalized a post and was simply throwing out a topic and seeing what kinds of hatred would stick. 

[drummindiver]

1 hour ago, WestCoastRunner said:

It was setup to encourage prejudice and hate. 

This is a litany of hate. These threads discussing it are not.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016&utm_content=bufferb1a0d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, drummindiver said:

This is a litany of hate. These threads discussing it are not.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016&utm_content=bufferb1a0d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Only because a handful of us don't let it become that.

 

[drummindiver]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Only because a handful of us don't let it become that.

 

No,  only because commenting on facts is  not hateful. 

 

[drummindiver]

1 hour ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I would suggest that these type of threads be more focused on a topic. If they aren't, it quickly degenerates into a free fall of hatred. 

Exactly. See my previous post stating over 2000 Islamist terror incidents in 2016 alone. You may say I'm bigoted, but I could find no corresponding  lists for Christian terrorism.  Not saying it doesnt  happen,  but clearly not on the same scale. 

[dialamah]

Just now, drummindiver said:

No,  only because commenting on facts is  not hateful. 

 

I'm sure every last attack in the link you posted is a 'fact'.    It's the one-sidedness of it that is hateful, right?   Not the facts of the 

I know you like pitties; imagine a thread called "This Week in Pit-Bull Land", which suggested that people post news stories from around the world of every single attack by a dog described as a pit-bull?   What if the comments consisted of 'Pit-bulls were born to kill" and "No pit-bulls should be allowed in Canada"?   What if every effort you made to defend pit-bulls as a group was derided with disinformation about how how pit-bulls are bred as killing machines, how their brains are too small for their heads, which is why they suddenly 'snap' and are so unstable, that they are the only breed to have 'locking jaws'?   Not sure what other myths are out there "proving" how bad pit-bulls are, but I bet there are plenty.    Would you consider such a thread a discussion or a witch-hunt?

Anyway, that's how I feel about "This Week in Islam", the way it was presented and the way it has evolved.

[betsy]

 

2 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I still think it was too generalized a post and was simply throwing out a topic and seeing what kinds of hatred would stick. 

Maybe, because you're looking through biased eyes? 

 

I haven't followed all the pages on this very long thread, and I'm sure there were some over-the-top posts that  may've been offensive.....but I don't think the whole thread should be penalized for some remarks.  I don't see any hate remarks from what I've read.  Sure, you can label them anyway you want.....but that's you!  

 

What you guys fail to see is that, the more you try to muzzle people from expressing themselves, you're only going to end up kindling real hatred.  That's where the danger is......bottled up opinions - being "policed" by people like you.

 

If there's any danger for Muslims, it would come from those who think they're being do-gooders by censoring opinions that they (the do-gooders) think MAY, or COULD hurt feelings.   There are Muslims who share our views, and are speaking out, you know.

 

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Ayaan Hirsi Ali Calls Out Cowardly Feminists' Failure to Speak Out Against Islam's Oppression of Women

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/06/29/muslim-woman-calls-out-feminists-for-failing-to-speak-out-against-radical-islami-n2185444

 

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The West is bowing to Radical Islam

 

June 22, 2016

Tarek Fatah
The Toronto Sun

Almost 10 years ago, Maclean’s magazine published an essay by Mark Steyn titled, “The future belongs to Islam”.

In it, he suggested, “the West is growing old and enfeebled, and lacks the will to rebuff those who would supplant it.” It was an extract from Steyn’s then best-selling book America Alone, where he concluded, “It’s the end of the world as we’ve known it.”

Steyn wrote: “We are witnessing the end of the late 20th-century progressive welfare democracy. The children and grandchildren of those fascists and republicans who waged a bitter civil war for the future of Spain now shrug when a bunch of foreigners blow up their capital. Too sedated even to sue for terms, they capitulate instantly.”

There was an outcry among Canada’s Islamists, who took Steyn and Maclean’s to the Ontario and British Columbia Human Rights Commissions.

My fellow Sun columnist, Farzana Hassan, and I wrote a rejoinder in Maclean’s titled, “Mark Steyn has a right to be wrong.” Today, I recognize, Steyn was right and I was wrong.

MORE......

http://tarekfatah.com/the-west-is-bowing-to-radical-islam/

Edited December 19, 2016 by betsy

[drummindiver]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

I'm sure every last attack in the link you posted is a 'fact'.    It's the one-sidedness of it that is hateful, right?   

Look at my previous post. I looked for comparable lists for Christian terrorists and could not find them.

I appreciate the analogy.  Lots of msm 

 false reporting.Aleppo cones to mind.

Too much evidence to ignore though imo.

[drummindiver]

5 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

I hope he does. It would at least point out that there is more to it then religion. 

Well there is their stated desire of world domination to implement sharia