Guest Posted February 7, 2015 Report Posted February 7, 2015 And since the theme of this thread is: let's throw crap at the wall, and condemn everything Muslim...their religion, governmets, people etc., let's at least note that this Islamic State appears to have violated core Islamic jurisprudence by burning a captive alive - Actually, I've never seen a thread on here that comes even close to having that as its theme. It's so hard to understand why people can't see that. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 7, 2015 Report Posted February 7, 2015 Actually, I've never seen a thread on here that comes even close to having that as its theme. It's so hard to understand why people can't see that. Really...so show me the post on this thread that continues....."This week in Islam....4 Imams were applauded for funding a youth centre....". Quote
Guest Posted February 7, 2015 Report Posted February 7, 2015 There might be one. I don't know. Not relevant to my post though. (In fact, hang on a minute) Quote
Guest Posted February 7, 2015 Report Posted February 7, 2015 I just looked at my posts. It took a while, I hope you appreciate the effort. The thread's called "This week in Islam". It doesn't just have to be about the stuff Kimmy posted. Someone could post that article about the guy who gave the homeless guy his shoes and socks. That should even it up Good news. Especially this bit: "And the feeling of being dishonoured by your daughter is forbidden in Islam." I hope it catches on. I was going to post a link, but for some reason I can't paste into the reply box. Anyway, I was surprised to see that the European Court of Human rights has backed the French ban on face covering. Edit> Can in Mozilla, though: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28106900 If they are fighting each other, that's one thing. Jihadists wiping each other out is never a bad thing. On the other hand, jihadists killing ordinary Muslims simply because they are infidels is not good. I didn't read the link. Which is this? Islamic religious leaders in the UK step up to the plate. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-terror-threat-leading-british-muslims-issue-fatwa-condemning-terror-group-9702042.html Unh-unh. Just the bad ones... Such mixed messages. I really don't know what to think... http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/11/hamburger-morgenpost-a-german-newspaper-that-reprinted-charlie-hebdo-cartoons-firebombed-in-overnight-attack/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/09/hezbollah-leader-says-muslim-extremists-harm-islam-more-than-those-who-published-satirical-cartoons/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/10/a-man-was-dying-in-a-pool-of-his-own-blood-heroes-and-tragedy-as-details-emerge-from-kosher-supermarket-attack/ http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/10/too-many-bodies-to-count-deadliest-massacre-in-history-of-boko-haram-killed-thousands-amnesty-international-says/ Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 7, 2015 Report Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) I just looked at my posts. It took a while, I hope you appreciate the effort.I tip my hat to your exception. If only those on either end of the see-saw were as balanced as you. Edited February 7, 2015 by Bob Macadoo Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 7, 2015 Report Posted February 7, 2015 Wow, that's disarming. Thank you. I think it important to acknowledge when corrected respectfully. This place could use a pinch of it. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 This place could use a pinch of it. Hear hear. We are not actors and political figureheads of the right- and left- shouting at each other on FOX News, we are humans here. Let's learn from each other. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Barring the fact that your number is not at all believable (if your number was right something like 1% of all women in Western countries would be kidnapped/sold sex slaves, which is clearly not the case), the key difference is one of law... in Canada, US, Europe, etc, this practice is illegal, unacceptable, and unambiguously condemned by the vast majority of the population. So even if some criminals do it, it is clearly not the cultural norm. On the other hand, in the countries under discussion, the treatment of women as property is often the norm. And this stems to a large degree from their culture and religion. Please tell me then that the local gentlemen's club is all on the up and up and there is NO trafficking going on there at all. Quote
Guest Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 This is how it's done... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11398967/Huge-crowd-of-Muslim-protesters-picket-Downing-Street-to-protest-at-Charlie-Hebdo-cartoons.html Quote
The_Squid Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) I tip my hat to your exception. If only those on either end of the see-saw were as balanced as you.Why is it bad to point out the news-making atrocities/transgressions/crimes of a particular religion?Every time a child is raped by a Catholic priest and it is in the news, should we also have to mention the charitable works they are doing as well? I bet Bernardo was nice to his mother too! But why is anyone under any obligation to mention it, as if it makes up for the atrocities that were committed? If Islam is doing some good in the world, it doesn't in any way make up for blowing up a marketplace full of people,. Edited February 9, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Why is it bad to point out the news-making atrocities/transgressions/crimes of a particular religion? It was pointed out that 'in the news' includes good news too. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 This is how it's done... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11398967/Huge-crowd-of-Muslim-protesters-picket-Downing-Street-to-protest-at-Charlie-Hebdo-cartoons.html Interesting headline. "Huge crowd of Muslims gather to protest". Then it says there were about a thousand. I don't think 1000 people constitutes a huge crowd in Ottawa, much less London England. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Interesting headline. "Huge crowd of Muslims gather to protest". Then it says there were about a thousand. I don't think 1000 people constitutes a huge crowd in Ottawa, much less London England. I find it ironic as well that they are protesting the same free speech in the UK that is allowing their protest against free speech in the first place. Perhaps they'd be more comfortable in a society like Saudi Arabia, where they can protest all they want never protest against the government and have no free speech.... Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 I find it ironic as well that they are protesting the same free speech in the UK that is allowing their protest against free speech in the first place. Perhaps they'd be more comfortable in a society like Saudi Arabia, where they can protest all they want never protest against the government and have no free speech.... They're not protesting free speech, they're protesting something they find offensive. Kind of like how you comment on how you find their religion offensive. It's amazing how religion can make the normally rational froth at the mouth. Quote
Mighty AC Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Interesting headline. "Huge crowd of Muslims gather to protest". Then it says there were about a thousand. I don't think 1000 people constitutes a huge crowd in Ottawa, much less London England. What are you arguing against here exactly? One thousand Muslims turned up to peacefully protest something that offends their delusional beliefs. Why does the number matter? There are roughly half as many Catholics as there are Muslims, globally. How many Catholics would have to show up to actually protest their sex abuse cult before it could be taken seriously? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
The_Squid Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 They're not protesting free speech, they're protesting something they find offensive. Kind of like how you comment on how you find their religion offensive. It's amazing how religion can make the normally rational froth at the mouth. They are protesting against people being allowed to print blasphemous material. That's a protest against free speech. Quote
jacee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 They are protesting against people being allowed to print blasphemous material. That's a protest against free speech. They are asserting their right to speak freely about something that offends them. People do it all the time. That is free speech. . Quote
The_Squid Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) They are asserting their right to speak freely about something that offends them. People do it all the time. That is free speech. . Of course they can. But they don't want cartoonists or editorials to be allowed to print blasphemous material. They are against free speech. No one has a right to not have their feelings hurt. Edited February 9, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Of course they can. But they don't want cartoonists or editorials to be allowed to print blasphemous material. They are against free speech. No one has a right to not have their feelings hurt. Were there placards up saying "Make it illegal to show the Prophet."? I didn't see any in the stock photos. Quote
jacee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Of course they can. But they don't want cartoonists or editorials to be allowed to print blasphemous material. They are against free speech. No one has a right to not have their feelings hurt. And everyone has a right to express that. . Quote
The_Squid Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 Were there placards up saying "Make it illegal to show the Prophet."? I didn't see any in the stock photos. And everyone has a right to express that. . This group wants cartoons to be considered hate crimes if they insult their religion. So yeah, they are not in favour of free speech. At Downing Street today, more than a thousand Muslims called for derogatory depictions of the prophet Mohammed - like those featured in Charlie Hebdo - to be seen as a hate crime. http://www.channel4.com/news/prince-charles-muslim-british-values-protests-video Quote
jacee Posted February 9, 2015 Report Posted February 9, 2015 This group wants cartoons to be considered hate crimes if they insult their religion. So yeah, they are not in favour of free speech. Oh I think they are in favour of expressing themselves freely.. Quote
The_Squid Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 Oh I think they are in favour of expressing themselves freely. . But not in favour of others insulting their religion. Do you think cartoons like the ones in Charlie Hebdo should be hate crimes? Quote
jacee Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 I think it's in very poor taste. Wouldn't buy it. . Quote
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