This week in Islam

[WestCoastRunner]

As far as the girl on girl porn goes, that's probably real depressing news for all the lonely guys on MLW.

WWWTT

Just check in with BC for violent teenage girl porn.

[On Guard for Thee]

More FB cartoons from our old buddy the BOSS. Does it ever end?

[WWWTT]

Just check in with BC for violent teenage girl porn.

Sorry, but my wife and I aren't into that.

If you send Shady a message with this info, I'm sure he may find some time after he's playing his video games.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

More FB cartoons from our old buddy the BOSS. Does it ever end?

Are you aware that MLW has a political cartoon section?

Pretty hard trying to rub off that PISS POOR DEBATER tattoo from your forehead isn't it?

Why don't you take my advise and stop shadowing me?

WWWTT

[On Guard for Thee]

"Advise"? here's mine. You seem to like to rely FB, maybe stick closer to that outlet.

[WWWTT]

"Advise"? here's mine. You seem to like to rely FB, maybe stick closer to that outlet.

Scroll to the bottom of this screen.

Oh is that a facebook icon????

Keep rubbing that tattoo budy!

WWWTT

[WestCoastRunner]

Sorry, but my wife and I aren't into that.

If you send Shady a message with this info, I'm sure he may find some time after he's playing his video games.

WWWTT

Perhaps they have shared videos.

[On Guard for Thee]

Let's see what we have from wwwtt so far that will be remembered: He has coined the phrase Piss Poor Debater, and assumed the position of BOSS. One can only conclude then that he deems himself to be at the highest level of PPD. A "notable" achievment.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

Please avoid thread drift. None of you characters are the subject of this thread discussion.

Ch. A.

[WestCoastRunner]

Folks,

Please avoid thread drift. None of you characters are the subject of this thread discussion.

Ch. A.

too little too late charles.

[Shady]

This week in Islam, a blogger is sentenced to death for insulting the prophet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iranian-blogger-found-guilty-of-insulting-prophet-mohammad-on-facebook-sentenced-to-death-9741572.html

[On Guard for Thee]

You don't have to do a lot to get a death sentence in Islam.

[WWWTT]

Oh when are these Islamic people going to stop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBTTVWN3k4

WWWTT

[On Guard for Thee]

Oh when are these Islamic people going to stop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATBTTVWN3k4

WWWTT

Was there some kind of point? Maybe just enjoy your cartoons at home.

[Argus]

Was there some kind of point? Maybe just enjoy your cartoons at home.

Speaking of cartoons. Came across this the other day. The kindness of rich Saudis...

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29415876

[WWWTT]

Was there some kind of point? Maybe just enjoy your cartoons at home.

Absolutely!

You either don't see it, or you don't like it, you pick which it is.

In the meantime, carry on with labeling all those of the Islamic faith as criminals.

WWWTT

[Guest]

In the meantime, carry on with labeling all those of the Islamic faith as criminals.

WWWTT

Unh-unh. Just the bad ones...

Edited October 1, 2014 by bcsapper

[On Guard for Thee]

like maybe those ones who cut your head off if you don't want to bow down to allah for instance?

[Guest]

Aye, them!

[drummindiver]

The most recent poll I could find on Canadian Muslim attitudes:

http://www.muslimlink.ca/in-focus/in-focus/environics-study-what-do-muslim-canadians-want

80% of Muslims identify as moderates. 100% of Muslims believe the rhetoric which makes the 20% radical. At the end of the day, 20% of1.5 billion ppl is still a hell of a lot of radicalism.

[guyser]

80% of Muslims identify as moderates. 100% of Muslims believe the rhetoric which makes the 20% radical. At the end of the day, 20% of1.5 billion ppl is still a hell of a lot of radicalism.

Cite please, thanks.

[drummindiver]

Cite please, thanks.

"The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad's reaction to hostile questioners.)

lol....just kidding Guy. You ask away. Ye of no vapid rhetoric and zero relative points.

“Islam has seven fundamental beliefs that every Muslim must accept as a part of his/her religion (the Emanul Mufassil, or Faith Listed in Detail). Every Muslim learns this formula as a part of his/her religious training.” ^*

• “Belief in God” (the standard word for “God” in Arabic is الله—“Allah”)

• “Belief in the angels” (both good and bad)

• “Belief in the revealed Books of God”

• Belief in God’s many prophets” (including Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, and others Christians and Jews are familiar with)

• “Accepting that there will be a Last Day”

• Belief in the divine measurement of human affairs

• Belief in life after death

The belief that terrorism is justifiable in the defense of Islam, while less extensive than in previous surveys, still has a sizable number of adherents. Among Nigeria's Muslim population, for instance, nearly half (46%) feel that suicide bombings can be justified often or sometimes in the defense of Islam. Even among Europe's Muslim minorities, roughly one-in-seven in France, Spain, and Great Britain feel that suicide bombings against civilian targets can at least sometimes be justified to defend Islam against its enemies

What the Quran doesn’t do is tell Muslims how to define that path other than to “avoid extremes”. And further compounding the problem is that the goalposts of what defines “moderation” change as our world changes. One year – say in the year 2000 – a moderate Muslim is a person who has a miniature copy of the Quran in her Volvo. The next, in 2001, it’s a Muslim who doesn’t kill people.

16% of the population of France supports ISIS. Even many "radical" Muslims find these guys too extreme.

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795

Some more stats. With links.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/

My whole point? You asked me to cite 80% of Muslims identify as moderate. I have my own sliding scale to determine moderate/extreme, but I think we can agree that thinking it ok to be a suicide bomber is a wee bit nutter? (Germany was the most moderate, saying 83% said it was never ok). All Muslims believe in Qu'ran. Which is where they get the "kill the infidel" crap from. And yes, peace passages also. But as you know, all earlier passages are meant to be discarded for later passages. Says Muhammad. But you knew that.

[WIP]

80% of Muslims identify as moderates. 100% of Muslims believe the rhetoric which makes the 20% radical. At the end of the day, 20% of1.5 billion ppl is still a hell of a lot of radicalism.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.....or at least a simple argument. That seems to be the be-all and end-all of every issue discussed these days: distill it down to one or at most - two variables, rather than take any time or effort to really understand the problem. And that's at least half the reason why the world is in such a mess!

What sense does it make to use their religion as the excuse to blame every problem on, when:

1. Muslims did not invent terrorism

2. The suicide bombing tactic started with the Tamil guerillas in Sri Lanka

3. ISIS is a product of a failed attempt at managing regime change

4. Terrorism is a tactic of asymmetrical warfare....not a religious act...the religious justifications come afterwards to validate the tactics.

5. A global economic and military empire that controls virtually all economic activity outside of a few holdouts- Russia, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea etc., can expect to have to deal with asymmetrical warfare from occupied people who find that they have no means to overthrow imposed dictators or vote for the kind of government that will provide them the power to control their own economies.

The War on Terror, with its foreign and domestic widespread use of surveillance, overwhelming police and military forces for imposing their control, does show signs that they expect blowback every so often, and that's why we have secret prisons, the use of torture...including medical experimenting on prisoners, being applied as counter-insurgency weapons. So, we have and will continue to have one U.S. president after another, telling us what the difference is between a good Muslim and a bad Muslim! But, let's just blame all of the problems on their religion!

[drummindiver]

Never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.....or at least a simple argument. That seems to be the be-all and end-all of every issue discussed these days: distill it down to one or at most - two variables, rather than take any time or effort to really understand the problem. And that's at least half the reason why the world is in such a mess!

What sense does it make to use their religion as the excuse to blame every problem on, when:

1. Muslims did not invent terrorism

2. The suicide bombing tactic started with the Tamil guerillas in Sri Lanka

3. ISIS is a product of a failed attempt at managing regime change

4. Terrorism is a tactic of asymmetrical warfare....not a religious act...the religious justifications come afterwards to validate the tactics.

5. A global economic and military empire that controls virtually all economic activity outside of a few holdouts- Russia, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea etc., can expect to have to deal with asymmetrical warfare from occupied people who find that they have no means to overthrow imposed dictators or vote for the kind of government that will provide them the power to control their own economies.

The War on Terror, with its foreign and domestic widespread use of surveillance, overwhelming police and military forces for imposing their control, does show signs that they expect blowback every so often, and that's why we have secret prisons, the use of torture...including medical experimenting on prisoners, being applied as counter-insurgency weapons. So, we have and will continue to have one U.S. president after another, telling us what the difference is between a good Muslim and a bad Muslim! But, let's just blame all of the problems on their religion!

? I'm not sure of your point?

1. Because Muslims did not invent terrorism, therefore their extensive use of it is somehow deemed acceptable?

2. Because they did not invent the suicide bombing tact, their extensive use of it is somehow deemed acceptable?

3.ISIS is not a respone to a failed attempt at regime change. It is an ideologically driven atttempt at creating a caliphate to instill Sharia law.

4.Because asymmetric warfare is not a religous act their extensive use of it is somehow deemed acceptable?

5.Surviellance creates terrorism how? This isn't even a chicken/egg debate. Police-military must respond to terrorism. The arguement is that going after terrorists creates more terrorists. So, do we let them terrorize at will?

What problems are you speaking of? Radicalization? Sharia law to be instated worldwide, which is a Muslim's goal?

Do we blame ourselves for our feedoms, for allowing women to be equal (yes, I know-we don't allow women to be equal-they are. My point exactly)? These are just a few of the things their religion/ideology hope to change.

If you can show me facts to disprove this, please. I'm all ears/eyes/open mind.

[WIP]

? I'm not sure of your point?

1. Because Muslims did not invent terrorism, therefore their extensive use of it is somehow deemed acceptable?

2. Because they did not invent the suicide bombing tact, their extensive use of it is somehow deemed acceptable?

3.ISIS is not a respone to a failed attempt at regime change. It is an ideologically driven atttempt at creating a caliphate to instill Sharia law.

4.Because asymmetric warfare is not a religous act their extensive use of it is somehow deemed acceptable?

5.Surviellance creates terrorism how? This isn't even a chicken/egg debate. Police-military must respond to terrorism. The arguement is that going after terrorists creates more terrorists. So, do we let them terrorize at will?

Well, to cut to the chase - a recent interview I heard with political science (I forget the name) expert who was one of Tony Blair's negotiators with the IRA, back when they were trying to bring an end to the civil war in Northern Ireland, noted that ending terrorism is usually impossible until the activist group and the governing power both feel pain! If the insurgent group is making money, winning converts and gaining territory (ISIS for example), they have no desire to end their campaign or revolution even if a government collapses! On the other side, Israel has become the example of the oppressive governing power that has built such an imposing military and security apparatus, that they feel they can keep right on ethnically cleansing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and just keep blathering on about peace talks as the move more and more Jews into occupied territories. However you feel about the Israeli Government....and I have no doubt I kicked a hornet's nest with that analogy, but it's something that needs to be said anyway, because there will come a time when Israel no longer finds it so easy to keep their economy humming and prevent any blowback coming their way. Only on that future day, when both Palestinians and Israelis, come to a realization that the present situation can't go on, will they reach any kind of a real peace agreement. Until then...................................................................

What problems are you speaking of? Radicalization? Sharia law to be instated worldwide, which is a Muslim's goal?

Do we blame ourselves for our feedoms, for allowing women to be equal (yes, I know-we don't allow women to be equal-they are. My point exactly)? These are just a few of the things their religion/ideology hope to change.

If you can show me facts to disprove this, please. I'm all ears/eyes/open mind.

The last caliphate collapsed at the end of WWI, and ISIS is not going to bring it back! and most of my annoyance with the Muslims-are-coming fanaticism I see today, comes, not from any real interests I have in their religion, it's because I get sick and tired of strawman enemies presented to us so authorities can take away our rights, and justify surveillance, and increase spending on military and police.

FWIW, the same right wing fanatical forces over here that directly attack the interests of women, especially in issues of reproductive rights and public safety, are the ones presenting themselves as the concern trolls for women over there!

And, even when it comes to jihadi and terrorist groups, we can't take their world for it either, when they justify all of their actions based on their religious claims! Just as we had our imperialists of the past claiming Manifest Destiny...God gave us this land and wants us to clear out all the Indians, Kaffirs and Arabs who are in the way....it's even in our Old Testament for christs sakes! Whenever there is a war, both countries claim God is on their side....even if they are mostly following the same religions...as in WWI and II.

Why is this important? Because there is nothing to gain from attacking people for their religious beliefs or affiliations. If you want to stop a fire, turn down the heat! Don't throw more gasoline on the fire, as all of the idiot Neocons and Islamophobes are doing.