This week in Islam

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Just now, eyeball said:

I'm saying you're still being deliberately ignorant.

You do that a lot.

No I'm not.  You just don't have an argument.

If you think it ought to be expected that people should suffer because of what people who look like them have done just say so.  I'll oppose that.  But at least we won't be reduced to calling each other ignorant because we don't know what else to say.

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2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

But at least we won't be reduced to calling each other ignorant because we don't know what else to say.

There is nothing else to say. You've said it yourself, we're completely fucked but at least I know why and not ignorantly pretending its due to the la la la you subscribe to in virtually every thread.

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10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There is nothing else to say. You've said it yourself, we're completely fucked but at least I know why and not ignorantly pretending its due to the la la la you subscribe to in virtually every thread.

You don't know why.  We are completely fucked because we live in a belt across the planet that has pretty much all the water and pretty much all the arable land.  Or will have, in a few years.  People are going to want it.

It has nothing to do with the US and their allies completely understandable response to the actions of some evil religious nutters.   Those same religious nutters will need to be dealt with appropriately at some point, and of course, there will be much blood shed, but that is a separate issue.

As I said though, if you think that it's okay to hurt someone who has done you no harm, but who looks just like someone who has done harm to someone who looks a lot like you, that seems to excuse Islamophobia as well as Islamic nastiness.  And I would have to disagree, of course.

Edited December 29, 2018 by bcsapper

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6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

You don't know why.  We are completely fucked because we live in a belt across the planet that has pretty much all the water and pretty much all the arable land.  Or will have, in a few years.  People are going to want it.

It has nothing to do with the US and their allies completely understandable response to the actions of some evil religious nutters.

It had (note the past tense) to do with how we dealt with commies during the Cold War. That involved acting in a way that went out of its way to rile up as many religious nutters as possible.  We basically triggered a doomsday weapon if the fallout piling up around is anything to go by.

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Those same religious nutters will need to be dealt with appropriately at some point, and of course, there will be much blood shed, but that is a separate issue.

I side issue you mean, I was pointing out what sort of monsters we'll become years before you even started posting here.

 

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As I said though, if you think that it's okay to hurt someone who has done you no harm, but who looks just like someone who has done harm to someone who looks a lot like you, that seems to excuse Islamophobia as well as Islamic nastiness.  And I would have to disagree, of course.

 

Yes I completely disagree with this word salad too.

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7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It had (note the past tense) to do with how we dealt with commies during the Cold War. That involved acting in a way that went out of its way to rile up as many religious nutters as possible.  We basically triggered a doomsday weapon if the fallout piling up around is anything to go by.

I side issue you mean, I was pointing out what sort of monsters we'll become years before you even started posting here.

 

Yes I completely disagree with this word salad too.

If you disagree with it then you disagree with GH's point too, which was what I originally posted against.  Two notions really.  One being the one we both just disagreed with.  The other being the one that cultural and religious problems in the west caused by immigration are due to the war on terror. 

Both notions are risible.

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15 hours ago, bcsapper said:

If you disagree with it then you disagree with GH's point too, which was what I originally posted against.  Two notions really.  One being the one we both just disagreed with. 

Both notions are risible.

GH merely underscored the point that a bunch of ignorant morons can't connect two obvious dots, something I completely agree with. Your point is to pretend everyone is talking about something else and switch channels.  That's the right-wing way of dealing with the clash of civilizations.

As I've said ignorance is no excuse but you persist in pleading it anyway.

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The other being the one that cultural and religious problems in the west caused by immigration are due to the war on terror. 

See there you go again, switching channels.  I said our actions during the Cold War - the War on Terror is just the fall out from that and a world full of pissed off Muslims is the result of that.

See how it works?  We have to unpack things the way they were packed if we ever expect to do anything about our predicament but you guys refuse to have anything to do with that so here we are. Now Denmark has chosen to rub it in and people are cheering.

The only thing we agree on is that we're fucked. I simply said we're not as fucked as Europe.

Edited December 29, 2018 by eyeball

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

GH simply underscored the point that a bunch of ignorant morons can't connect two obvious dots, something I completely agree with. Your point is to pretend everyone is talking about something else and switch channels.  That's the right-wing way of dealing with the clash of civilizations.

As I've said ignorance is no excuse but you persist in pleading it anyway.

See there you go again, switching channels.  I said our actions during the Cold War - the War on Terror is just the fall out from that and a world full of pissed off Muslims is the result of that.

See how it works?  We have to unpack things the way they were packed if we ever expect to do anything about our predicament but you guys refuse to have anything to do with that so here we are. 

Well, GH's post was in response to yours, so I went by that.  I saw no need to go back looking for morons or dots.  Current issues with migration and the rise of the right in Europe are not a result of any war on terror.  If you and GH think that such is the case, fair enough.  If you believe the Mediterranean waters are full of Muslims all saying "I can't wait to get to Europe to get them back for the Cold War", then also, fair enough.

To me that shows a certain level of ignorance, but one that is come by deliberately, from a reliance on the left wing way of dealing with the fact that people who don't look them might actually be deserving of criticism.

 

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2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I saw no need to go back looking for morons or dots. 

Well, knowing where you came from is a pretty important aspect of figuring out where you are and where you're going so its no wonder you're wandering around in circles all the time.

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Current issues with migration and the rise of the right in Europe are not a result of any war on terror.  

Current issues with migration have most certainly been exacerbated by the war on terror. Along with economic and other geopolitical factors and yes climate change has started to add its weight to things too.

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If you believe the Mediterranean waters are full of Muslims all saying "I can't wait to get to Europe to get them back for the Cold War", then also, fair enough.

 

No, I don't believe they're saying that, they're probably worrying a lot more about making it thru another day in one piece.

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To me that shows a certain level of ignorance, but one that is come by deliberately, from a reliance on the left wing way of dealing with the fact that people who don't look them might actually be deserving of criticism.

This is just your kool-aid talking. Probably something to with that olde fashioned right-wing distractant about equal outcomes or some fucking thing.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Well, knowing where you came from is a pretty important aspect of figuring out where you are and where you're going so its no wonder you're wandering around in circles all the time.

Current issues with migration have most certainly been exacerbated by the war on terror. Along with economic and other geopolitical factors and yes climate change has started to add its weight to things too.

No, I don't believe they're saying that, they're probably worrying a lot more about making it thru another day in one piece.

This is just your kool-aid talking. Probably something to with that olde fashioned right-wing distractant about equal outcomes or some fucking thing.

Current issues with migration started in the sixties, and I don't think any war on terror has anything to do with the inability of completely disparate cultures to get along properly.

The rest of your post is just insults, culminating in the use of a stupid emoticon to try and goad.  I expected better.

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2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Current issues with migration started in the sixties , and I don't think any war on terror has anything to do with the inability of completely disparate cultures to get along properly.

Yes I know what you believe.

 

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The rest of your post is just insults, culminating in the use of a stupid emoticon to try and goad.  I expected better. 

You don't expect to have your shit thrown right back at you?  That might explain a lot about why things like blow-back and consequence escape you.

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes I know what you believe.

 

You don't expect to have your shit thrown right back at you?  That might explain a lot about why things like blow-back and consequence escape you.

We both believe stuff.  I just disagree with what you believe.

I don't think you can find an example of me insulting someone that wasn't a direct response in kind.  I don't think I've ever tried to goad with a smiley face.

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6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I don't think you can find an example of me insulting someone that wasn't a direct response in kind.

 

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a reliance on the left wing way of dealing with the fact that people who don't look them might actually be deserving of criticism.

Throwing nonsense like this out to change a channel is an insult.  You can %^&*-off too. 

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

Throwing nonsense like this out to change a channel is an insult.  You can %^&*-off too. 

But it was in direct response to your  "That's the right-wing way of dealing with the clash of civilizations."  I did say I would do it in response.

But I won't tell you to %^&*-off too though.  I don't like acrimony.

Edited December 29, 2018 by bcsapper

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2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

But it was in direct response to your  "That's the right-wing way of dealing with the clash of civilizations."  I did say I would do it in response.

Its insulting when you respond to people by switching the channel.  What sort of response did you expect? 

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4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I expected better.

Rule # 1: Do not expect things, that way there won''t be any disappointment.

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On 12/28/2018 at 8:05 PM, bcsapper said:

I don't need an excuse.  What's your point exactly?  Are you saying that people ought to expect to suffer because of what others have done?  Sounds like you would love Islamophobia.

We suffer every day for what our government does over seas that makes us less secure.

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On 12/29/2018 at 12:44 PM, bcsapper said:

Well, GH's post was in response to yours, so I went by that.  I saw no need to go back looking for morons or dots.  Current issues with migration and the rise of the right in Europe are not a result of any war on terror. 

Where are these people coming from? And who are the people causing the most problems in Europe? I am no hater of Islam, hell some here say I am a total Islamic apologizer.  But our actions in the M.E is resulting in them migrating from the M.E and North Africa because of the failed war on terror.  If that is NOT the case, then can you tell me WHY people are leaving the M.E. in droves.

On 12/29/2018 at 12:44 PM, bcsapper said:

If you and GH think that such is the case, fair enough.  If you believe the Mediterranean waters are full of Muslims all saying "I can't wait to get to Europe to get them back for the Cold War", then also, fair enough.

The War on Terror and the Cold War take place in two different time periods with a slight overlapping. First you say it's not because of the War on Terror, and then say it's not because of the Cold War.  But why are we still in Afghanistan? The questions people cannot seem to answer are,  How is Iraq these days? What about Libya? What about Syria? What about Yemen?

Grab a pencil and start connecting the dots if you dare.

And why does it all seem to point back to alliance between Saudi Arabia and the USA and to some extent Israel?  And when our terrorists are killed by their terrorists (Russia, Iran) we call them the bad guys?

We destroy their homes, they come here causing problems and when someone points that out the label of 'Islamaphobe' is applied?

On 12/29/2018 at 12:44 PM, bcsapper said:

To me that shows a certain level of ignorance, but one that is come by deliberately, from a reliance on the left wing way of dealing with the fact that people who don't look them might actually be deserving of criticism.

Ignorance is not understanding how we got here to begin with.  Some warned about this, but like you, many could not, or even more tragic, not willing to connect those dots and then call others Islamaphobes when they get told the real facts.

Why did Canada take in a large number of Syrians?  And why are they fleeing from Syria?  The answer is not Assad or Russia.   Just do you can see the lines between the dots,  the USA helped Saudi Arabia with the rise of ISIS to cause mayhem in Syria.  We took in people because we helped destroy their homes. Now, you think the thing to do would be .. not to destroy their homes. And even if Assad destroyed homes, the actions from the USA ect was to .. destroy more homes. 

But you are right. It's got nothing to do with a War on Terror that is wrecking their homes and displacing millions.

And yes there are some among the people we let in that have nothing but resentment (and well can you blame them for having that resentment) towards us and will want to destroy our way of life, just as our governments have done to them.

 

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1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

Where are these people coming from? And who are the people causing the most problems in Europe? I am no hater of Islam, hell some here say I am a total Islamic apologizer.  But our actions in the M.E is resulting in them migrating from the M.E and North Africa because of the failed war on terror.  If that is NOT the case, then can you tell me WHY people are leaving the ME in droves.

If the first few hundred had been immediately deported, there would not be any more. But they were allowed to stay, and thousands followed, and they were allowed to stay, and tens of thousands and then hundreds of thousands followed. A lot of them are from countries which are not at war. But they're poor, and they're hearing from those who went ahead of the wonders of Europe, and how better lives can be had there.

Afghanistan has been at war for forty years. Why are they coming now? Because they heard they can stay. Iran hasn't been in an active war in a generation. Why are they coming? Because they heard they will be allowed to stay. People are making the trek from Egypt, and from hundreds and even thousands of miles to the south, because they heard Europe is the land of milk and honey and they can stay.

It is the same reason people are coming to Canada, the same reason caravans are trekking north to the US. Life is better there, so if you think they'll let you stay, why wouldn't you?

 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Argus

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4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

We suffer every day for what our government does over seas that makes us less secure.

So you said.  I disputed that Islamic immigration was primarily as a result of the war on terror, and still do.  I grew up in Bradford in the sixties when immigration was changing the face of the town.  There was no war on terror to blame then.  Post colonial guilt, I suppose.  Muslims burned the Satanic Verses in the late 80's in my home town, again before any war on terror.  Should have twigged something then though, eh?

I also questioned your implication (by way of a smiley face), that somehow we were deserving of whatever happens.  I wasn't sure if you were talking about immigration or terrorism.  Anyway, like those Muslims who were shot in Ottawa didn't deserve it because of the Manchester bombing.  I felt we probably didn't deserve it either.

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Where are these people coming from? And who are the people causing the most problems in Europe? I am no hater of Islam, hell some here say I am a total Islamic apologizer.  But our actions in the M.E is resulting in them migrating from the M.E and North Africa because of the failed war on terror.  If that is NOT the case, then can you tell me WHY people are leaving the M.E. in droves.

The War on Terror and the Cold War take place in two different time periods with a slight overlapping. First you say it's not because of the War on Terror, and then say it's not because of the Cold War.  But why are we still in Afghanistan? The questions people cannot seem to answer are,  How is Iraq these days? What about Libya? What about Syria? What about Yemen?

Grab a pencil and start connecting the dots if you dare.

And why does it all seem to point back to alliance between Saudi Arabia and the USA and to some extent Israel?  And when our terrorists are killed by their terrorists (Russia, Iran) we call them the bad guys?

We destroy their homes, they come here causing problems and when someone points that out the label of 'Islamaphobe' is applied?

Ignorance is not understanding how we got here to begin with.  Some warned about this, but like you, many could not, or even more tragic, not willing to connect those dots and then call others Islamaphobes when they get told the real facts.

Why did Canada take in a large number of Syrians?  And why are they fleeing from Syria?  The answer is not Assad or Russia.   Just do you can see the lines between the dots,  the USA helped Saudi Arabia with the rise of ISIS to cause mayhem in Syria.  We took in people because we helped destroy their homes. Now, you think the thing to do would be .. not to destroy their homes. And even if Assad destroyed homes, the actions from the USA ect was to .. destroy more homes. 

But you are right. It's got nothing to do with a War on Terror that is wrecking their homes and displacing millions.

And yes there are some among the people we let in that have nothing but resentment (and well can you blame them for having that resentment) towards us and will want to destroy our way of life, just as our governments have done to them.

 

See above re Bradford.  The bed of the Med is covered with the bodies of economic migrants, not of those fleeing the war on terror. 

That's right.  Neither the war on terror nor the cold war.  I suppose we are still in Afghanistan because it is still not safe to leave.  The war on terror itself came about from 9/11, which is as good a reason for a war as any I've seen.

I would suggest that to say the problems in Syria had nothing to do with Russia or Assad is wrong.

And again, your last statement seems to say we deserve to be destroyed. I disagree with that, but I'd be willing to accept it as a valid opinion if you would only apply it all round.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2018 by bcsapper

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20 hours ago, bcsapper said:

So you said.  I disputed that Islamic immigration was primarily as a result of the war on terror, and still do.  I grew up in Bradford in the sixties when immigration was changing the face of the town.  There was no war on terror to blame then.  Post colonial guilt, I suppose.  Muslims burned the Satanic Verses in the late 80's in my home town, again before any war on terror.  Should have twigged something then though, eh?

 

20 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I also questioned your implication (by way of a smiley face), that somehow we were deserving of whatever happens.  I wasn't sure if you were talking about immigration or terrorism.  Anyway, like those Muslims who were shot in Ottawa didn't deserve it because of the Manchester bombing.  I felt we probably didn't deserve it either.

Comparing Muslims living here to the Manchester bombing is a weak connection at best.   The real thing is how these people are integrating into our country.

20 hours ago, bcsapper said:

See above re Bradford.  The bed of the Med is covered with the bodies of economic migrants, not of those fleeing the war on terror. 

And why are the struggling economically? Oh right, sanctions on them by the western nations that say they are terrorists.  That's how Iraq played out.  Bush Sr invaded, then Iraq had lots of sanctions put on it, which led to a bigger problem of 'terrorism', but because  the 9/11 hijackers were mostly SAUDI, it only makes sense to pummel Iraq into the ground for 9/11.

All because of the war on terror. Hands down.

20 hours ago, bcsapper said:

That's right.  Neither the war on terror nor the cold war.  I suppose we are still in Afghanistan because it is still not safe to leave.  The war on terror itself came about from 9/11, which is as good a reason for a war as any I've seen.

I would suggest that to say the problems in Syria had nothing to do with Russia or Assad is wrong.

The problems in Syria came from outside of the nation. Perpetuated by Saudi terrorists backed by the USA. Only after ISIS was defeated by Russia and Syria, the USA then decides to pull out. Because they were defeated in Syria , plain and simple.   Russia saved Syria and Assad and now the USA is turning tail and running.

20 hours ago, bcsapper said:

And again, your last statement seems to say we deserve to be destroyed. I disagree with that, but I'd be willing to accept it as a valid opinion if you would only apply it all round.

If we continue to support sanctions and war on M.E. nations for bullshit reasons, then you are part of the problem as to why Muslims are causing problems here.

The dots are there,  grab a pencil and connect them.

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2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Comparing Muslims living here to the Manchester bombing is a weak connection at best.   The real thing is how these people are integrating into our country.

No it's not.  You seem to be taking a worldwide stance on what those who have done no harm seem to deserve, based on the actions of others. I was just showing how much I disagree by doing the same. 

 

3 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

And why are the struggling economically? Oh right, sanctions on them by the western nations that say they are terrorists.  That's how Iraq played out.  Bush Sr invaded, then Iraq had lots of sanctions put on it, which led to a bigger problem of 'terrorism', but because  the 9/11 hijackers were mostly SAUDI, it only makes sense to pummel Iraq into the ground for 9/11.

All because of the war on terror. Hands down.

No, basic disagreement here.  I'm not saying the war on terror has had no effect.  Wars do.  But immigration is an economic decision, around the world.  I would be happy to pummel the Saudis into the ground.  No disagreement there.

 

6 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

The problems in Syria came from outside of the nation. Perpetuated by Saudi terrorists backed by the USA. Only after ISIS was defeated by Russia and Syria, the USA then decides to pull out. Because they were defeated in Syria , plain and simple.   Russia saved Syria and Assad and now the USA is turning tail and running.

The Syrian civil war grew out of local unrest with a dictatorship after the Arab Spring had shown some success in other countries.  It became a proxy war, the same way the Yemeni uprising did. 

 

9 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

If we continue to support sanctions and war on M.E. nations for bullshit reasons, then you are part of the problem as to why Muslims are causing problems here.

What problems exactly?  Maybe we are at cross purposes.  I don't see Pakistani immigration to the UK coming out of the Syrian conflict, for instance. 

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28 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No it's not.  You seem to be taking a worldwide stance on what those who have done no harm seem to deserve, based on the actions of others. I was just showing how much I disagree by doing the same. 

 

No, basic disagreement here.  I'm not saying the war on terror has had no effect.  Wars do.  But immigration is an economic decision, around the world.  I would be happy to pummel the Saudis into the ground.  No disagreement there.

What you put forth was a dumb comparison.  It cannot compare to the years of war on terror in the M.E. where we bomb them and then they come here to cause us issues. 

28 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 

The Syrian civil war grew out of local unrest with a dictatorship after the Arab Spring had shown some success in other countries.  It became a proxy war, the same way the Yemeni uprising did. 

Bullshit, none of the Arab spring was genuine or Arab based. It was orchestrated by foreign entities, like the CIA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html

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A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington, according to interviews in recent weeks and American diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks.

LEt's not forget Wikileaks has not had to retract a single article they have put out. Not one.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289686/Egypt-protests-Americas-secret-backing-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html

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The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

The secret document in full

He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.

The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the country after widespread protests forced him from office.

 

28 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 

What problems exactly?  Maybe we are at cross purposes.  I don't see Pakistani immigration to the UK coming out of the Syrian conflict, for instance. 

I don't see the relevance in talking about Pakistani immigration to the UK because of the Syrian conflict.

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4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

What you put forth was a dumb comparison.  It cannot compare to the years of war on terror in the M.E. where we bomb them and then they come here to cause us issues.  

Bullshit.  Islamic terrorism has had a horrendous effect on the west.  Who can blame people who deliberately target innocent Muslims over it?  Well, I do, but we knew that.

 

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Bullshit, none of the Arab spring was genuine or Arab based. It was orchestrated by foreign entities, like the CIA.

You really do have a poor view of Arabs, don't you.  None of it was their idea?  I disagree, again.

 

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I don't see the relevance in talking about Pakistani immigration to the UK because of the Syrian conflict.

We were talking about the effect that Muslim immigration has had on the west.  We were not talking about the Syrian conflict specifically. 

Edited January 1, 2019 by bcsapper

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20 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Bullshit.  Islamic terrorism has had a horrendous effect on the west.  Who can blame people who deliberately target innocent Muslims over it?  Well, I do, but we knew that.

No where have I said that terrorism does not have an effect. I am saying your notion of the Manchester bombing and how Muslims are treated in Canada is really stupid. It's no comparison to the years of war in the M.E. perpetuated by foreign entities and how Muslims are treating others in 'safe nations'.

But then again you say that the war on terror has NO connection to how Muslims are acting in western nations. So no wonder you cannot make the connection.

Again, this line is really stupid.

On 12/31/2018 at 2:20 PM, GostHacked said:

Anyway, like those Muslims who were shot in Ottawa didn't deserve it because of the Manchester bombing.  I felt we probably didn't deserve it either.

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You really do have a poor view of Arabs, don't you.  None of it was their idea?  I disagree, again.

I have a poor view of certain Arab nations. Like Saudi Arabia who is a huge sponsor of terrorism.

Again, some called me an Islamic apologist and now you call be an Arab hater.  Which means only a few of you really know what I stand for. You are not one of them. If you want to know what I think..  ask and I shall tell you.

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We were talking about the effect that Muslim immigration has had on the west.  We were not talking about the Syrian conflict specifically. 

The Syrian conflict is part of this whole issue with Muslim immigration to the West.  The USA and Saudi Arabia tried to oust Assad and 8 years later, they end up leaving because that was all a failure. Meanwhile where are those people going? And why did Canada take in a bunch of Syrians? Did we feel guilty for our allies bombing the crap out of their nation?

Your thinking is compartmentalized preventing you from looking at the bigger picture. Which also prevents you from connecting the dots.

Edited January 1, 2019 by GostHacked

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8 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

No where have I said that terrorism does not have an effect. I am saying your notion of the Manchester bombing and how Muslims are treated in Canada is really stupid. It's no comparison to the years of war in the M.E. perpetuated by foreign entities and how Muslims are treating others in 'safe nations'.

But then again you say that the war on terror has NO connection to how Muslims are acting in western nations. So no wonder you cannot make the connection.

Again, this line is really stupid.

I have a poor view of certain Arab nations. Like Saudi Arabia who is a huge sponsor of terrorism.

Again, some called me an Islamic apologist and now you call be an Arab hater.  Which means only a few of you really know what I stand for. You are not one of them. If you want to know what I think..  ask and I shall tell you.

The Syrian conflict is part of this whole issue with Muslim immigration to the West.  The USA and Saudi Arabia tried to oust Assad and 8 years later, they end up leaving because that was all a failure. Meanwhile where are those people going? And why did Canada take in a bunch of Syrians? Did we feel guilty for our allies bombing the crap out of their nation?

Your thinking is compartmentalized preventing you from looking at the bigger picture. Which also prevents you from connecting the dots.

Sod your dots for a minute.  How do you make the distinction between one group of people punishing innocents from another?  If you are saying there is a point where it becomes justifiable I would have to disagree.  The guy who stabbed a couple of people in Manchester today is said to have used slogans criticizing western governments, according to the BBC.  He also invoked Allah and spoke in support of a Caliphate.  If some angry soul popped along to the nearest Mosque and stabbed a couple of innocent Muslims in response my disgust at both actions would be the same.  If you think the comparison is stupid, then you do.  Nothing I can do about that.