This week in Islam

dialamah · December 9, 2018

On 12/8/2018 at 9:44 AM, Argus said:

And that doesn't matter. All that matters is that 95% of Muslims believe he married a six year old and consummated the marriage at 9. Which is why sex with young girls is not considered to be a particularly bad thing in the Muslim world. As far as I'm aware there are no laws specific to sex with children in the Islamic world. And while many national governments post laws with regard to the minimum age those are regularly ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/middle-east-child-abuse-pederasty

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-children-marry-age-nine-islamic-law-diyanet-government-chp-mp-investigation-muslim-a8142131.html

I agree with you: Islam, and Islamic countries need to be a lot more dedicated to changing this.

Argus · December 10, 2018

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

Most of these articles also point out how anti-Semitism and Anti-Muslim rhetoric are different, which I have already acknowledged in my discussion with BCSapper, as well as the difference between 'then' and 'now', which means the likelihood of a genocide against Muslims by Westerners is practically nil; that there are pockets of the world where Muslim genocide is being attempted isn't particularly relevant, imo.

You can read similarities into anything. But just because Hitler liked dogs and so does someone else, that really doesn't present anything but a superficial commonality. People's suspicion of Muslims has arisen in the last thirty odd years largely because of Muslim actions, not because some nefarious cabal has undertaken a propaganda campaign against them. The suspicions are a response to real world actions, not imagined out of dark suspicion of the 'other'. And they have been inflamed by the growing number of Muslims flooding into western countries and retaining old-world beliefs and values. When two thirds of Canadians complain that immigrants aren't assimilating fast enough they're really talking about Muslims.

Goddess · December 10, 2018

On 12/7/2018 at 6:25 PM, dialamah said:

You posted this:

What exactly were you implying, Goddess, if not that I don't think Muslims should be held accountable for practicing FGM? Care to explain?

I was making the observation that Muslims are not getting charged with performing FGM in Canada, Nor being charged when they take the girls back to whatever country to have it done.

Why do you think that is?

dialamah · December 10, 2018

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I was making the observation that Muslims are not getting charged with performing FGM in Canada, Nor being charged when they take the girls back to whatever country to have it done.

The phrasing "Your Muslims are quite safe from being charged with it." is not a neutral comment. I will take this is as backtracking.

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Why do you think that is?

Because Canada needs to up their game in this regard.

Why do you think there is lack of enforcement/prosecution for the crime of FGM in Canada?

Goddess · December 10, 2018

44 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The phrasing "Your Muslims are quite safe from being charged with it." is not a neutral comment. I will take this is as backtracking.

Of course you will. Because I'm not a Muslim, so I'm not afforded your usual "They don't really mean it that way" excuses you make for your Muslims.

dialamah · December 10, 2018

38 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Of course you will. Because I'm not a Muslim, so I'm not afforded your usual "They don't really mean it that way" excuses you make for your Muslims.

Another accusation/insult.

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Why do you think there is lack of enforcement/prosecution for the crime of FGM in Canada?

Do you want to try a discussion about what Canada needs to do to address the issue of FGM and why we are failing? What are some strategies we could employ to reduce the incidence among at risk populations?

Egypt has reduced the incidence of FGM on ages under 15 to about 60%, from previous highs of over 90%, and its expected that this decline will continue. They've achieved this through a combination of education and laws (though they haven't done a lot to enforce those laws either as far as I can tell). Do you think a similar approach would be successful in Canada?

Goddess · December 10, 2018

31 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Egypt has reduced the incidence of FGM on ages under 15 to about 60%, from previous highs of over 90%, and its expected that this decline will continue. They've achieved this through a combination of education and laws (though they haven't done a lot to enforce those laws either as far as I can tell). Do you think a similar approach would be successful in Canada?

Education and laws probably would be successful in Canada, but unfortunately, we appear to be against both those things.

The conservatives lobbied for FGM to continue to be talked about in the Citizenship Guide, after the government removed it from being mentioned. but obviously our government does not agree with it being mentioned. They also do not want barbaric practices to be reported. And they also refuse to prosecute anyone for FGM.

Why do I think this is? Our government is very soft on Islamic extremism. I imagine it's for the same reasons why other Western countries refused to give sanctuary to Asia Bibi or the Yazidis - a well-founded fear of Muslim backlash.

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Another accusation/insult.

No, an observation. If you find it insulting then maybe it's because it's your habit.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Goddess

Goddess · December 10, 2018

55 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Egypt has reduced the incidence of FGM on ages under 15 to about 60%, from previous highs of over 90%, and its expected that this decline will continue. They've achieved this through a combination of education and laws (though they haven't done a lot to enforce those laws either as far as I can tell). Do you think a similar approach would be successful in Canada?

Your stat is misleading. There has not been a decline of 30%.

This is what the article actually said:

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The survey shows the total percentage of married females who have experienced FGM aged between 15 and 49 reaches a whopping 90 percent, but the percentage aged 15 to 17 is 61 percent, a decline of 13 percent compared with surveys conducted in 2008.

It appears that it is still a traditional requirement for women to be mutilated prior to marriage.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Goddess

turningrite · December 10, 2018

On 12/9/2018 at 9:33 PM, Argus said:

You can read similarities into anything. But just because Hitler liked dogs and so does someone else, that really doesn't present anything but a superficial commonality. People's suspicion of Muslims has arisen in the last thirty odd years largely because of Muslim actions, not because some nefarious cabal has undertaken a propaganda campaign against them. The suspicions are a response to real world actions, not imagined out of dark suspicion of the 'other'. And they have been inflamed by the growing number of Muslims flooding into western countries and retaining old-world beliefs and values. When two thirds of Canadians complain that immigrants aren't assimilating fast enough they're really talking about Muslims.

I generally agree with you although I think the concern about immigrants not assimilating extends to groups other than Muslims. It's probably guided more by the immigrants to which various Canadians are exposed.

Edited December 11, 2018 by turningrite

dialamah · December 10, 2018

49 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Education and laws probably would be successful in Canada, but unfortunately, we appear to be against both those things.

The conservatives lobbied for FGM to continue to be talked about in the Citizenship Guide, after the government removed it from being mentioned. but obviously our government does not agree with it being mentioned.

I agree; removing information about those unacceptable practices is a mistake. What better way to inform newcomers than by having the information presented right up front?

dialamah · December 10, 2018

46 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Your stat is misleading. There has not been a decline of 30%.

This is what the article actually said:

It appears that it is still a traditional requirement for women to be mutilated prior to marriage.

My bad. I had a different source, but decided I didn't like it and went with one that showed a smaller decline, but forgot to update what I'd already typed.

DogOnPorch · December 12, 2018

Strasbourg France is the latest scene of Jihad terror brought to us by the Religion of Peace.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/12/france-strasbourg-jihad-mass-murderer-was-radicalized-in-practice-of-islam-but-cops-still-searching-for-motive

Christmas market attacked by Muslim yelling Allahu Akbar: 3 dead, 13 wounded...why that's just part n' parcel of life with Islam in our midst...all is well.

remain+calm.jpg

Goddess · December 12, 2018

27 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

why that's just part n' parcel of life with Islam in our midst...all is well.

This is what it seems like to me, too. Our government and progressives who are for more and more immigration from Islamic countries expect the Canadian public to just accept that some of us are going to die at the hands of Islam. And you're a racist Islamophobe if you don't think the risk is worth it.

It's so easy for them to gamble with other people's lives and the lives of other people's loved ones.

DogOnPorch · December 12, 2018

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

This is what it seems like to me, too. Our government and progressives who are for more and more immigration from Islamic countries expect the Canadian public to just accept that some of us are going to die at the hands of Islam. And you're a racist Islamophobe if you don't think the risk is worth it.

It's so easy for them to gamble with other people's lives and the lives of other people's loved ones.

It's a dangerous thing to view Islam as your bitch...

They be in for a surprise...

Goddess · December 12, 2018

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

It's a dangerous thing to view Islam as your bitch...

They be in for a surprise...

You've got to have a deathwish...... :blink:

To me, Islam is in too much of a mess to invite it willy-nilly in masses of undocumented people into any country right now.

Edited December 12, 2018 by Goddess

DogOnPorch · December 12, 2018

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You've got to have a deathwish......

To me, Islam is in too much of a mess to invite it willy-nilly in masses of undocumented people into any country right now.

Western Civilization's implacable & historical foe: Islam

Check this fray out...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto

Ottoman Empire foiled...tens of thousands of Christian slaves freed from the oars of Islamic war galleys. Europe saved from invasion...

That's just one.

scribblet · December 12, 2018

Hard to believe they had this guy and where watching him but yet he managed to kill...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/strasbourg-shooting-terror-suspect-run-073327885.html

In the spirit of a Jihad Season

Edited December 12, 2018 by scribblet

dialamah · December 13, 2018

In other news, millions of Muslims in Western countries fail to lift a hand in violence last week. Never mind that; the one who did clearly represents all Muslims, everywhere.

DogOnPorch · December 13, 2018

20 minutes ago, dialamah said:

In other news, millions of Muslims in Western countries fail to lift a hand in violence last week. Never mind that; the one who did clearly represents all Muslims, everywhere.

In that spirit...

Which Muslims are the ones that are going to commit acts of terrorism? How do we tell?

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Quran 8 12

https://quran.com/8/12

Edited December 13, 2018 by DogOnPorch

Goddess · December 13, 2018

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

In that spirit...

Which Muslims are the ones that are going to commit acts of terrorism? How do we tell?

We can't. And neither can Dia.

DogOnPorch · December 13, 2018

Just now, Goddess said:

We can't. And neither can Dia.

No she can't...I certainly can't...and the "mental illness" line used every time a Muslim does obey the Quran's command to fight the unbeliever...is wearing paper thin.

dialamah · December 13, 2018

38 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

In that spirit...

Which Muslims are the ones that are going to commit acts of terrorism? How do we tell?

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Quran 8 12

https://quran.com/8/12

In that spirit, which man is going to spike a woman.'s drink and rape her next week? Which man is going to kill his wife and children next week? We know some men, somewhere, is going to those things. Therefore I think men should be prevented from walking free and if you don't agree with me, that means you are willing to risk the lives of women and children to protect rapists and killers.

dialamah · December 13, 2018

38 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We can't. And neither can Dia.

Nope. And you can't tell me, either. Still, you would subject all Muslims to extra security and limit their freedoms due to the actions of a few, while I would not.

Some men rape. Do you support the assumption of all men as potential rapists and therefore support extra security and the limiting of male freedom?

Goddess · December 13, 2018

13 minutes ago, dialamah said:

In that spirit, which man is going to spike a woman.'s drink and rape her next week? Which man is going to kill his wife and children next week? We know some men, somewhere, is going to those things. Therefore I think men should be prevented from walking free and if you don't agree with me, that means you are willing to risk the lives of women and children to protect rapists and killers.

But that's exactly the point - we don't know. So women take a LOT of precautions. Because men do not announce that their intention is to rape you. But if I see a man in a bar wearing a "Grab 'em By the Pussy" shirt and not taking No, Thank You for an answer from women, it's a good sign that he's not safe.

Going with your analogy - are ALL women misandrysts who take precautions against getting drugged and raped? Do all women who take those precautions HATE men?

It's unfortunate that women have to do all kinds of things and be aware of the signs men give off to protect themselves and it is also unfortunate that we have to take precautions against radical Islamic extremists and be aware of the signs they give off. It's not about HATING all Muslims. It's not about Islamophobia or racism. It's just the way things are. And Islam is to blame for this situation also.

Edited December 13, 2018 by Goddess

DogOnPorch · December 13, 2018

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

In that spirit, which man is going to spike a woman.'s drink and rape her next week? Which man is going to kill his wife and children next week? We know some men, somewhere, is going to those things. Therefore I think men should be prevented from walking free and if you don't agree with me, that means you are willing to risk the lives of women and children to protect rapists and killers.

The Quran does say that rape is okay in certain circumstances...what the right hand possesses.

So which Muslims are the terrorists? How does an infidel like me know which Muslims are murderous and which Muslims aren't?...playing wait and see seems inadvisable.

Edited December 13, 2018 by DogOnPorch