bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 The idea seems to be, from what I have read from the admin, that trolls are not to be responded to. Just reported. It's not an easy thing. That's true....the Great Troll Hunters keep undermining their objective(s) by responding to and attacking other members they consider to be "trolls". The mods have been very clear about this. Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Fair point, sapper. The first time I was deleted, true, I retorted sarcastically. However, I made sure that the second time I responded in a civil manner in which I merely pointed out that nobody is confusing the topic of discussion with an ability to vote in the US election. I pointed out that his comment is therefore irrelevant to the discussion and in violation of the topic. I did mention that I was previously deleted for saying this and I questioned whether moderation would let the second time around stand or if they'll delete again. I was deleted again and I want to understand why. I was not offensive or sarcastic and I think I'm bringing up a legitimate grievance to a clear breaking of the forum rules. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 ...I was deleted again and I want to understand why. I was not offensive or sarcastic and I think I'm bringing up a legitimate grievance to a clear breaking of the forum rules. It is not clear to me that stating a fact about voting rights in a thread about a foreign election violates any forum rules. Elections and voting go together like peanut butter and jelly. In context, my assertion was directly in response to a reported lack of a "clue", much more off topic if that is the point of contention. Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I said you don't have a clue who is going to win the general election if Rubio wins the nomination because you were the one saying emphatically that he'll win. If you're going to quote me, do so within context. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I said you don't have a clue who is going to win the general election if Rubio wins the nomination because you were the one saying emphatically that he'll win. If you're going to quote me, do so within context. That can't be true, because U.S. political parties nominate a Prez/VP candidate ticket and there would very much be a clue....even in Canada. Member responses to other member posts are usually not random, and the mods can easily see/read context and intent, even when it's a judgement call. Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Well then the intent and context of that post must've been a-ok because that post is still standing but the one after it where I called you out on your irrelevant response is deleted. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Big Guy Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 The idea seems to be, from what I have read from the admin, that trolls are not to be responded to. Just reported. It's not an easy thing. I, personally, have never reported anyone, on any site. Even an obvious troll, such as Big Guy's post above mine, here, would not get me into reporting mode. But if I answered it in the manner I felt it deserved an answer, I would stand a good chance of being deleted. It's just the way it is. I am sorry that you read this as trolling. I have been a SYSOP on an anonymous board and that is common practice. That is how you maintain the parameters of interaction just short of chaos. The admins avatars set the limits and at the same time generate discussion, argument and "action"! When things are slow you generate action when there is a lot of action the admin avatars pull back. You feel that this cannot happen? Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Well then the intent and context of that post must've been a-ok because that post is still standing but the one after it where I called you out on your irrelevant response is deleted. I suspect with the case you refer to, (irrelevant posts) the troll rule about report and ignore is the best way. Having said that, I most always just ignore, otherwise you'd be pretty busy reporting.
Guest Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I am sorry that you read this as trolling. I have been a SYSOP on an anonymous board and that is common practice. That is how you maintain the parameters of interaction just short of chaos. The admins avatars set the limits and at the same time generate discussion, argument and "action"! When things are slow you generate action when there is a lot of action the admin avatars pull back. You feel that this cannot happen? Maybe it can. Maybe the post of mine you quote there is just such an action by the admin on here. Maybe I don't exist. Pretty cool avatar, still, eh?
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 I suspect with the case you refer to, (irrelevant posts) the troll rule about report and ignore is the best way. Having said that, I most always just ignore, otherwise you'd be pretty busy reporting. The mods say don't stoop to their level and belligerence as a 'response' is still considered belligerence. I did no such thing and reporting often amounts to nothing because the mods say to just ignore it. IOW, ignore and report, but given their lack of response, ultimately we are told to just ignore. Maybe Big Guy is on to something. Maybe trolls controversial posters are good for business and are integral to the board. I had never considered that. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
On Guard for Thee Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 The mods say don't stoop to their level and belligerence as a 'response' is still considered belligerence. I did no such thing and reporting often amounts to nothing because the mods say to just ignore it. IOW, ignore and report, but given their lack of response, ultimately we are told to just ignore. Maybe Big Guy is on to something. Maybe trolls controversial posters are good for business and are integral to the board. I had never considered that. Nor had I, but the more I think about it... Even the idea that you know who could be a plant. But maybe I'm getting a bit into conspiracy theory there.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) IOW, ignore and report, but given their lack of response, ultimately we are told to just ignore. And that's OK....I have ignored several members' insulting and attacking posts for years without ill health or reduction in quality of life. This is very apparent to the mods and other members, and would be considered good "compliance" by any policing function / moderator. It takes two to tango.... Edited February 5, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Nor had I, but the more I think about it... Even the idea that you know who could be a plant. But maybe I'm getting a bit into conspiracy theory there. More clicks = more advertising revenue. It's not really conspiracy when you think of it that way. He who shall not be named ends up staying way longer than any of us can ever comprehend. It's a very plausible explanation. Same with BC. Contrary to Big Guy, I wouldn't put Argus or Rue in that category though. Edited February 5, 2016 by BC_chick It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
cybercoma Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 There are a few posters here who,are eligible to vote in US elections. I know that for fact.
Charles Anthony Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Charles Anthony, would you mind explaining to me why you keep deleting my posts where I call ....--- because we disagree with your assessment and we disagree with your delivery. It is that simple. ... why do you delete posts that do point out that he is trolling?--- because you should not do that. What you did was against the rules. It is against the rules to call somebody a troll. If you believe somebody is trolling, the proper procedure is to report it, ignore it and move on. You did not do that. What would you want the mod staff to do if somebody called you out for trolling and the mod staff disagreed with the complaint? i.e., the mod staff believes that you are not trolling. These fictitious avatars could never represent real rational people but do serve to keep things "stirred up" on this successful board. I congratulate the owners and administrators of this board on your successful business plan. Your allegations are false. None of that is happening here. This is the real deal. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
BC_chick Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 It is against the rules to call somebody a troll. In the comment you deleted I said his comment is 'irrelevant and deliberately inflammatory'. On this thread where I called him a troll a half a dozen times you didn't delete anything. You're clearly misrepresenting the situation but thanks anyway. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
cybercoma Posted February 5, 2016 Report Posted February 5, 2016 Well, I guess we can't comment on people's comments anymore. Every post should be a mini personal blog post that ignores all other comments around it.
Big Guy Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Your allegations are false. None of that is happening here. This is the real deal. My evaluation is based on what I have seen and read. It is not a condemnation nor a criticism of opinion boards. You folks set them up, supervise them, moderate them and spend a lot of your free time to do this. Why? That is up to you. The "allegations" that I have posted are just my views of the motivation for getting more action on a board and also makes me understand why some "anonymous" avatars are treated in one fashion and others in another fashion. I am not being critical. I am here by my choice and your decision to allow my participation. You press a few keys and Big Guy disappears. That is OK and then Big Guy moves on - or finds more productive projects to focus on. But I suggest that the participants do not lose the reality that this is supposed to be a "fun" site, has no reflection or association with reality and is only an opportunity for different anonymous members to crap on other anonymous members and not have to accept the responsibility and repercussions of that kind of action. Just read ANY thread. There is no positive reinforcement, assistance in research or any attempt to seek or share information. There are no conclusions based on positive discussion, there are no resolutions based on discussions and there is no consensus or a majority view that might be used as a recommendation. This is a process where the process is the focus - the process of crapping on each other with the most aggressive and insulting feeling that they have won the day. Canada, what a wonderful place to live! Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
ReeferMadness Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 The mods say don't stoop to their level and belligerence as a 'response' is still considered belligerence. I did no such thing and reporting often amounts to nothing because the mods say to just ignore it. IOW, ignore and report, but given their lack of response, ultimately we are told to just ignore. Maybe Big Guy is on to something. Maybe trolls controversial posters are good for business and are integral to the board. I had never considered that. I've gotten to the point where I just scroll past most of what BC writes. If he wants to spend his life getting to 100K posts, that's awesome but I find most of it to be just diversionary. Also, there are a few others who don't debate, mostly just repeat what they already said and rarely, if ever, find any citations to support their beliefs. Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Charles Anthony Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 You're clearly misrepresenting the situation but thanks anyway.I will make you an offer. If you answer my question, I will re-open your post so that all can see what is clear and what is unclear. What would you want the mod staff to do if somebody called you out for trolling and the mod staff disagreed with the complaint? i.e., the mod staff believes that you are not trolling. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Hal 9000 Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Any chance that you could make some notation when a post is deleted? Sometimes I don't know whether I've been censored or my device just didn't post it. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
waldo Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 What would you want the mod staff to do if somebody called you out for trolling and the mod staff disagreed with the complaint? i.e., the mod staff believes that you are not trolling. since the interpretation of trolling remains within the closed confines of moderator subjectivity, MLW members never gain the insight of that subjective interpretation and decision making. This remains the single-most point of confusion and ongoing contention; as in, "that member's trolling... why don't those moderators do something about it!". the forever fall-back, "just report it and ignore it" is not conducive to providing broad member feed-back and increasing an understanding of just what trolling is on MLW. Notwithstanding an over-riding perception that the "just report" is... just ignored, as it is widely perceived that no follow-up occurs, or if it does occur, it's along the most limited lines of "moderation does not agree it is trolling". if trolling is reported, moderation should provide a posted reply directly in association with the reported text... directly quoting it. That posted reply should identify the post has been reported as a trolling offense, accompanied with moderator interpretation and related decision outcome. .
Guest Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 Any chance that you could make some notation when a post is deleted? Sometimes I don't know whether I've been censored or my device just didn't post it. Yeah, me too, except it's age, not device related.
Argus Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Posted February 6, 2016 I will make you an offer. If you answer my question, I will re-open your post so that all can see what is clear and what is unclear. What would you want the mod staff to do if somebody called you out for trolling and the mod staff disagreed with the complaint? i.e., the mod staff believes that you are not trolling. What I expect is consistency. If people's posts get deleted for minor reasons and they get suspended for calling people hypocrites or calling a post dumb, then how is it post 2023 is still up and the person who posted it not suspended? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BC_chick Posted February 6, 2016 Report Posted February 6, 2016 I've gotten to the point where I just scroll past most of what BC writes. If he wants to spend his life getting to 100K posts, that's awesome but I find most of it to be just diversionary. If the mods truly don't see him as a troll (smh), ignore list does seem like the only option. It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
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