WestCoastRunner Posted February 1, 2016 Report Posted February 1, 2016 Hold? Right, so now he is a cult leader. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted February 1, 2016 Report Posted February 1, 2016 Hold? Right, so now he is a cult leader. Careful, people have been suspended for less!
waldo Posted February 1, 2016 Report Posted February 1, 2016 Just a question. Being derogatory towards politicians can't be against the rules, based on many posts on here, so what terms can one use for JT? No, I'm not refusing to answer - I'm answering clearly: We will not enforce grammar rules on MLW. @moderatorMichael: if as you say, 'Junior, Jr.' is allowed, given you are not enforcing grammar, if one steps outside the bounds of supposed grammar enforcement, if one actually consults the MLW rules (as quoted below), given Justin Trudeau does not identify himself as "Trudeau Jr.", it begs the question how this is allowed! Please advise - thanks in advance: Do not use diminutives or character substitutions in proper names that are not recognized by the original person to whom the reference is being made. For example, Prime Minister Stephen Harper does not identify himself as Stevie therefore, it is unacceptable to identify him as Stevie. Likewise, Paul Martin does not identify himself as Mr. Dithers, therefore, it is unacceptable to identify him as Mr. Dithers. In the discussion forums, such infractions will be considered as third-party insults. .
cybercoma Posted February 1, 2016 Report Posted February 1, 2016 I use "Boy Wonder". Because I don't want there to be any doubt when I'm being derogatory.well played hahaha
cybercoma Posted February 1, 2016 Report Posted February 1, 2016 That's a good question....Prime Minister Harper and President George W. Bush were not afforded any such respect for derogatory terms/names. So what has changed because of Justin Trudeau ? It's in the rules and guidelines and has been so for quite some time with Paul Martin as an example.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) PM Harper and President Bush were referred to with "derogatory" terms long after PM Martin's tenure. Here is a "Shrub" example from 2009: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/13402-the-harperobama-meeting/#entry390375 Is it OK to refer to PM Trudeau as "Shrub" ? Edited February 2, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 What's your point? Referring to Bush Jr as shrub is against the rules. It's pretty clear. Did you report the offending post? Or are you just going to sit here and complain that the mods don't see everything?
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 I think I've already made my point. Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 "Bush Jr." and "Bush Sr." were used as terms here with no complaint - that's the precedent we followed in determining whether this term was pejorative. I'm sorry you don't agree but we do have to rely on past practices for consistency, in order to try to be objective about such things. In fairness, there were 2 George Bush's. There are not 2 Justin Trudeau's. Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Guest Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 What if Donald Trump becomes Prez? This place will explode with repressed aggression.
Hal 9000 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 In fairness, there were 2 George Bush's. There are not 2 Justin Trudeau's. And many people just called Bush Jr. Dubya. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
waldo Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 I think I've already made my point. which one? That you don't agree with the moderator that generational suffixes are constructs subject to grammar rules (just chosen not to be enforced as stated by the moderator)... cause you lose that one. Or was it your 'tit-for-tat' rationale presented. Since you opted to single out my past improper naming of George Bush as 'frat-boy Shrub', everything else is fair game? That point? Cause here's the thing... I've received warnings in the past for breaking the MLW rule against using non-proper names; names which the related individual doesn't recognize or go by. Earlier in this exchange the moderator spoke to precedent - surely, MLW rules set the precedent... wouldn't you think? .
waldo Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 What if Donald Trump becomes Prez? This place will explode with repressed aggression. who cares? They, uhhh... "reap what they sow"!
ReeferMadness Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 And many people just called Bush Jr. Dubya. If moderators want to censor dubya, that's fine. I'm just pointing out that there is a legitimate need for the junior when it comes to Bush whereas it's nothing but a pejorative when it comes to Trudeau. Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Hal 9000 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 If moderators want to censor dubya, that's fine. I'm just pointing out that there is a legitimate need for the junior when it comes to Bush whereas it's nothing but a pejorative when it comes to Trudeau. Ok, I'm confused, which Trudeau are we talking about now? The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
ReeferMadness Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 Ok, I'm confused, which Trudeau are we talking about now? Justin Trudeau and Pierre Trudeau. Not so hard, is it? Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 George W. Bush was technically never a "junior" as his full name is not identical to his father's full name. The same is true for Justin Trudeau. Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Macadoo Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 What if Donald Trump becomes Prez? This place will explode with repressed aggression. Well actually it would be correct to call him "Junior" since that is his name......as opposed to Trudeau. Most likely I would use his Nom de Plume........Media Circus Whore.
Hal 9000 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 Justin Trudeau and Pierre Trudeau. Not so hard, is it? Well then, from now on I'll expect you, cyber, Waldo and Smallc to type out either "Justin Trudeau" or "Pierre Trudeau" in full. Just so there is no misunderstanding. No 'Justin", no "JT" and certainly no "Trudeau Jr." because those are disrespectful. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
ReeferMadness Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 Well then, from now on I'll expect you, cyber, Waldo and Smallc to type out either "Justin Trudeau" or "Pierre Trudeau" in full. Just so there is no misunderstanding. No 'Justin", no "JT" and certainly no "Trudeau Jr." because those are disrespectful. You go right ahead and expect anything you like. Good luck with that. Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Bob Macadoo Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 Well then, from now on I'll expect you, cyber, Waldo and Smallc to type out either "Justin Trudeau" or "Pierre Trudeau" in full. Just so there is no misunderstanding. No 'Justin", no "JT" and certainly no "Trudeau Jr." because those are disrespectful.Why isn't Trudeau sufficient......do you somehow think when you are complaining about Syrian refugees we'll think your spite is directed at Dust & Bones Pierre? At least with the Bushes...Bush's they are both still alive.
BubberMiley Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 Somebody doesn't know what a nom de plume is. "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Hal 9000 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 Why isn't Trudeau sufficient......do you somehow think when you are complaining about Syrian refugees we'll think your spite is directed at Dust & Bones Pierre? At least with the Bushes...Bush's they are both still alive. I couldn't give a good god damn what he is called. The lefties outrage or discomfort over this is a joke and I'm treating it as such. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Smallc Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 It's not a joke - I don't feel that any leader, no matter their political leaning, should be denigrated. It's not good for positive discussion.
poochy Posted February 2, 2016 Report Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Is it ok to call him an eco marxist? I dont know if that means anything, how about a communist? It's probably not true though, how about a grown man with a child's intellect? Anyway, all I know is here, and all over, wild eyed leftists had and still do refer to Harper as a dictator, or fascist, or both, i would be a little surprised if some of the very same people up in arms about "Jnr" hadn't ever done it. Of course while neither may be true, one is an insult to a man, the other to millions who suffered under and were murdered by actual dictators, so if you are one of those people who had done it and is now complaining, you have no credibility, and you should pull your head out of your arse. Edited February 2, 2016 by poochy
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