Moonlight Graham Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Plus I think the Mods would ban me if they thought I was trolling. "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Argus Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) I agree but that is a lot of work for mod staff sometimes. Sometimes we get swamped and we can not send everybody a message with a copy of the post we took down. It should be fairly easy to include a standard "your post was deleted because it violated rules" message which would automatically be sent to the author of that post. And if that's not possible just delete it. If they wonder why -- or even notice -- they can write and ask. and by the way, why is Getupandvote still a member and able to post political spam on the status update several times a day? He makes no posts and engages in no discussion. Clearly he's just a spammer. Edited September 24, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 It should be fairly easy to include a standard "your post was deleted because it violated rules" message which would automatically be sent to the author of that post. And if that's not possible just delete it. If they wonder why -- or even notice -- they can write and ask. Automatically - no. And we do effectively delete these. We actually 'hide' them so that the decision to remove can be reversed by unhiding them later if needed. and by the way, why is Getupandvote still a member and able to post political spam on the status update several times a day? He makes no posts and engages in no discussion. Clearly he's just a spammer. I dunno. Did you report it ? Are you asking us to weigh in on something we haven't seen ? Not sure. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Automatically - no. And we do effectively delete these. We actually 'hide' them so that the decision to remove can be reversed by unhiding them later if needed. If it doesn't have an auto mail feature it ought to be easy to add one. I dunno. Did you report it ? Are you asking us to weigh in on something we haven't seen ? Not sure. I reported him for his first post and said he was obvious spammer and should have his account yanked. I notice the post was gone shortly after. No new posts have been made, and he has no content, which means he doesn't even browse the various discussion groups. But he posts a new anti-Harper link several times a day on the status update to make sure it stays on top. I notice that both you and Charles Anthony have visited his page, so you know this... And how do you miss seeing the status updates? It's on the front page. Edited September 24, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 If it doesn't have an auto mail feature it ought to be easy to add one. Ok. Well, maybe CA will add that to his 'suggestion pile'. I notice that both you and Charles Anthony have visited his page, so you know this... I don't think I have visited his page actually. And how do you miss seeing the status updates? It's on the front page. I don't go to the front page - my 'favourites' link goes to new posts page. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Posted September 24, 2015 Ok. Well, maybe CA will add that to his 'suggestion pile'. I understand the site isn't being maintained. I'm just surprised that feature isn't part of the software, even if inactive ATM. I don't think I have visited his page actually. You and Charles Anthony were both listed on it under 'latest visitors' when I checked a couple of days back. I don't go to the front page - my 'favourites' link goes to new posts page. Fine. But now you have been informed. Do you not think this guy is just a spammer? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 You and Charles Anthony were both listed on it under 'latest visitors' when I checked a couple of days back. Maybe because he was a new poster and I was checking out his sign-up date to see if he was a spammer. But now you have been informed. Do you not think this guy is just a spammer? He worked out an arrangement over what is allowed with regards to his posts. If you think he's spamming, report it. I'll report this to CA to review. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Posted September 24, 2015 Maybe because he was a new poster and I was checking out his sign-up date to see if he was a spammer. He worked out an arrangement over what is allowed with regards to his posts. If you think he's spamming, report it. I'll report this to CA to review. He takes no part in discussion. He doesn't browse the discussion topics. All he does is spam anti-Harper links several times a day on the status updates. Yes, i think he's a spammer. I don't know if he's working with a particular political party. I suspect he's an activist working with some group, though. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
drummindiver Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Maybe because he was a new poster and I was checking out his sign-up date to see if he was a spammer. He worked out an arrangement over what is allowed with regards to his posts. If you think he's spamming, report it. I'll report this to CA to review. Thought you said you hadn't visited his page? You sure you aren't a politician Michael?
Big Guy Posted September 26, 2015 Report Posted September 26, 2015 I have been participating on opinion boards for years. Some posters post on issues in which they are interested and knowledgeable. Others post on every issue notwithstanding their background or knowledge of the facts. They appear to need to see themselves in print and get some kind of "rise" from those who they criticize. I do believe that the credibility and respect that posters receive from others is usually inversely proportional to the number and diversity of their posts. There is a difference between prattle and insight. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Posted October 10, 2015 I have a question regarding the removal of a post which was on topic, insulted no one directly, did not use profane language, yet was deleted by Charles, who sent me a warning message., The post was in the niqab topic. One of the running themes on the other side of that topic was that insulting or questioning or banning the niqab was pointless and served no purpose and was disrespectful to a religion or culture. I posted a two paragraph, allegorical tale of a Muslim man who was abusing his wife while progressives said nothing out of fear of offending him. Then a conservative yelled at him to stop it, and the progressives attacked the conservative for being disrespectful and insensitive to his culture. This was not insulting or abusive to anyone in particular, but made a point which I believed relevant to the discussion at hand which was that those defending the niqab were, inadvertently or not, defending misogynistic behaviour. Making a point through allegory is hardly a novel approach and has a long and respected history. Thus I don't believe deleting the post was justified, much less the warning point given to me. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 It really is weird. We now have another poster trolling/spamming the forum with the same links used by all the other posters hammering away at the Bruce Goryca conspiracy theory. Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
drummindiver Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 The moderation team seems to have a quota, much like the police on a long week end. I was given a point for saying someone was ignorant, in the proper context ie lacking knowledge.
waldo Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 It really is weird. We now have another poster trolling/spamming the forum with the same links used by all the other posters hammering away at the Bruce Goryca conspiracy theory. and all those prior threads were 'merged' into the "Harper is a disgrace" thread... waddabout there now being, count em... 3 concurrently running threads on the niqab. You had many, many posts complaining about the proliferation of threads related to that single 'Goryca' topic. Will you, in kind, support a call/request to similarly merge all the niqab threads?
Charles Anthony Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Automatically - no. And we do effectively delete these. We actually 'hide' them so that the decision to remove can be reversed by unhiding them later if needed.If it doesn't have an auto mail feature it ought to be easy to add one.No. It is not. We wish it was easy. That feature should be re-instated in the next release of the forum software. This issue is not forgotten in the least. I posted a two paragraph, allegorical tale of a Muslim man who was abusing his wife while progressives said nothing out of fear of offending him.That is 1 way of describing your post. I describe your post as a cross between off-topic and flame-bait trolling. Making a point through allegory is hardly a novel approach and has a long and respected history. Thus I don't believe deleting the post was justified, much less the warning point given to me.At best, yours would lead to absurd thread drift. Perhaps I am wrong! So, I re-opened your post for all to see, engage and or ignore. Here it is. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) That is 1 way of describing your post. I describe your post as a cross between off-topic and flame-bait trolling. How can it be off topic given the topic is niqabs and, and the subtopic was how to discourage women from wearing them? At best, yours would lead to absurd thread drift. How could it be thread drift? I am baffled by this response. So, I re-opened your post for all to see, engage and or ignore. Thanks. Edited October 10, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Okay, I see the new troll has now gone.. thanks Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Big Guy Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 ..I describe your post as a cross between off-topic and flame-bait trolling. At best, yours would lead to absurd thread drift. ... When dealing with flame-bait trolling, would it not be more effective to remove the poster rather than just the post? Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Posted October 10, 2015 When dealing with flame-bait trolling, would it not be more effective to remove the poster rather than just the post? You mean like when someone constantly posted Nazi quotes and links after other people dare to voice opinions with which he disagrees? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
poochy Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 You mean like when someone constantly posted Nazi quotes and links after other people dare to voice opinions with which he disagrees? o no no, those posts are completely in line with the forum goal of better debates, they shall not be spoken ill of.
Big Guy Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) o no no, those posts are completely in line with the forum goal of better debates, they shall not be spoken ill of. I assume it is Big Guy posts using quotes from the KKK, David Duke, Hitler and Hitlers close team to which you are referring. I think those quotes and links have been accurate and telling. I thought that I was using the opportunity to show how bigoted, misogynist, racially offensive and repugnant those folks were. I also thought that it would give those here who have been accused of the same language to compare their views and show just how different these posters are from these denizens of hate of the past. I have given these posters yet another opportunity to disassociate themselves from the past hate mongers. Unfortunately, I am still waiting. Does that not promote discussion? “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― Adolf Hitler Edited October 11, 2015 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted October 11, 2015 Author Report Posted October 11, 2015 I assume it is Big Guy posts using quotes from the KKK, David Duke, Hitler and Hitlers close team to which you are referring. I think those quotes and lings have been accurate an d telling. No one cares what you think about your self-righteous lectures. You've been repeatedly told they're off topic and derail threads. So what you're calling for in your previous post is for yourself to be banned. But like anything else which even approaches subtlety that completely flies over your head. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 No one cares what you think about your self-righteous lectures. You've been repeatedly told they're off topic and derail threads. So what you're calling for in your previous post is for yourself to be banned. But like anything else which even approaches subtlety that completely flies over your head. I suggest that: 1.You speak for yourself and yourself only. If you do not care about my "self-righteous lectures" then why are you replying? 2. I find your posts here to be inflammatory and racist in nature. 3. I find your tone here confrontational and the personality that you have given your avatar to be unfriendly and distasteful. 4. I try to ignore your less serious attacks on minorities but every once in a while I remember , "One who condones evils is just as guilty as the one who perpetrates it.” - Martin Luther King, Jr - and am forced to comment. 5. Having read many of your posts for a while, I think you have major problems accepting women as equals and people "who are not like you" as your equal. I pity you for that attitude. I guarantee that it will hinder your relationships both socially and work related. 6. I reply on a personal level in this thread because it deals with moderating - maintaining the limits of acceptable participation. If I was moderator for this site I would have removed Argus a while ago. My criteria for maintaining limits of acceptable participation would be - would I allow that message in my publication? And, would that individual make that statement if they had to use their real name. In your case, most of your anti-Muslim posts would fail in both categories. 7. Posters are being asked to express their views on moderating in this thread and I am stating mine. 8. As to my use of quotes from the KKK, David Duke, Hitler and his minions in relation to your views, you are invited and quite capable of explaining how your views of immigrants is different from theirs. I do not find that as being off topic when "other races and regions" are being criticized. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 No one cares what you think about your self-righteous lectures. You've been repeatedly told they're off topic and derail threads. So what you're calling for in your previous post is for yourself to be banned. But like anything else which even approaches subtlety that completely flies over your head. Have you ever taken the time to read your own replies? There is irony in this reply as I get the same self-righteousness feeling from many of your posts. Anytime the 'left' or the 'right' gets pushed out already sets up the notion of being self-righteousness. Being partisan definitely contributes to this type of behaviour, no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall under. While centrists and moderates are called 'lefties' and 'righties' from both sides. It's perplexing really.
poochy Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 Have you ever taken the time to read your own replies? There is irony in this reply as I get the same self-righteousness feeling from many of your posts. Anytime the 'left' or the 'right' gets pushed out already sets up the notion of being self-righteousness. Being partisan definitely contributes to this type of behaviour, no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall under. While centrists and moderates are called 'lefties' and 'righties' from both sides. It's perplexing really.Linking so many things to the Nazi's is simply put, stupid, mentioning that its stupid is not, attacking someone for mentioning it...well maybe you can see where this is going.
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