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[bush_cheney2004]

Enough of the bogus Lefty Myth about Henry Ford and $5 per day already:

It’s also not true that the offer was of $5 a day in wages. It was all rather more complicated than that:

The $5-a-day rate was about half pay and half bonus. The bonus came with character requirements and was enforced by the Socialization Organization. This was a committee that would visit the employees’ homes to ensure that they were doing things the “American way.” They were supposed to avoid social ills such as gambling and drinking. They were to learn English, and many (primarily the recent immigrants) had to attend classes to become “Americanized.” Women were not eligible for the bonus unless they were single and supporting the family. Also, men were not eligible if their wives worked outside the home.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/timworstall/100016570/lefty-myths-of-our-time-why-henry-fords-pay-rise-for-workers-undermines-the-living-wage-campaign/

Edited January 27, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[cybercoma]

The getting married and having kids part is all happening later in life because young people today are too broke and indebted to raise families.

-k

Just to add to your point, they're also starting later due to qualification inflation. Decades ago, a person could graduate high school and start a job and a family in their early 20s. They could work full-time and this would earn a person enough money to support a family and put a little bit away if they were lucky. These days, that's not going to happen. A single full-time job might support one person if you're lucky enough to get a secure full-time job. To get a job, most people need at least a bachelor's degree, which takes them into their mid 20s (with the debt you were talking about), before they land a job and start a family, pushing them almost to 30 (average age of marriage is around 27 now). When people have kids later in life, there's more complications when it comes to pregnancy and childbirth. It's a mess.

[bush_cheney2004]

To get a job, most people need at least a bachelor's degree....

Nope....CNC machinist jobs still go wanting in many Norte American cities:

http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobs/Keyword/Cnc-Machinist/

Forty high paying jobs that don't require a bachelor's degree:

http://www.businessinsider.com/high-paying-jobs-dont-require-bachelors-degree-2013-12?op=1

Edited January 27, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest Derek L]

Yeah, must have been nice back in the good old days.

-k

Certainly, back in those days (1990s) the parents of the bride to be had to provide three goats and a dozen chickens, well the grooms parents a sod hut and a raging bonfire…..that’s how I recall it anyways

[Guest Derek L]

Nope....CNC machinist jobs still go wanting in many Norte American cities:

http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobs/Keyword/Cnc-Machinist/

Forty high paying jobs that don't require a bachelor's degree:

http://www.businessinsider.com/high-paying-jobs-dont-require-bachelors-degree-2013-12?op=1

After reading Cybercoma's post, I was about to say the same thing.......Like they say about great minds

[bush_cheney2004]

After reading Cybercoma's post, I was about to say the same thing.......Like they say about great minds

It's like they are stuck in permanent victim mode with no way out. It's all the rich people's fault that they can't find a job. Damn those rich people !

[Guest Derek L]

It's like they are stuck in permanent victim mode with no way out. It's all the rich people's fault that they can't find a job. Damn those rich people !

It sure sounds that way sometimes…….Like they say, youth is wasted on the young….

[kimmy]

Hey, my job is in your top 40. Yay me.

"Permanent victim mode"? Hardly. It's not victimhood to say "bullshit!" when sock-puppets like Paul Ryan stand up to lie about the imaginary benefits of policy ideas that are quite obviously not in anybody's interest except for the people who are bank-rolling their campaigns.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

...."Permanent victim mode"? Hardly. It's not victimhood to say "bullshit!" when sock-puppets like Paul Ryan stand up to lie about the imaginary benefits of policy ideas that are quite obviously not in anybody's interest except for the people who are bank-rolling their campaigns.

It doesn't matter what Paul Ryan says or does....he is just another lame excuse...especially for anybody in Canada. That's just pathetic....

[kimmy]

Pathetic? As you're fond of pointing out, what happens in America matters around the world. It's certainly not pathetic for people in Canada to worry what might happen if Paul Ryan or one of his imitators becomes president. We're still dealing with the mess the last round of regulation-cutting dummies left behind.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

Pathetic? As you're fond of pointing out, what happens in America matters around the world. It's certainly not pathetic for people in Canada to worry what might happen if Paul Ryan or one of his imitators becomes president. We're still dealing with the mess the last round of regulation-cutting dummies left behind.

Yes...pathetic. Should I worry about Canada's PM impact on my job prospects in the U.S. ? Hint: I don't...and never will. Hell, I don't even worry about my own president's impact, because I am not a helpless victim of rich people or politicians.

As mentioned before.....Free Your Mind And Your A** Will Follow - George Clinton/Funkadelic

[kimmy]

Of course you don't worry about Stephen Harper doing something that will impact you. You've posted 32000 messages in this forum, and I bet at least a quarter of them are about how what happens in Canada is of no concern to Americans, but what happens in America matters around the world. I think we've got what you're saying by this point.

As for the premise that condemning bad policy ideas is an act of helpless victimhood, it's stupid.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

Of course you don't worry about Stephen Harper doing something that will impact you.

Neither does the rest of the world.

You've posted 32000 messages in this forum, and I bet at least a quarter of them are about how what happens in Canada is of no concern to Americans, but what happens in America matters around the world. I think we've got what you're saying by this point.

But we're just stooopid 'merkins who praise Jesus and buy ammunition at WalMart. How could we impact you in Canada ?

As for the premise that condemning bad policy ideas is an act of helpless victimhood, it's stupid.

No it's not, because you are helping to perpetuate 'victimhood' as an excuse for failure or under-performing. The collectivist mindset is really good at that.

[Topaz]

One day sometime if the future, the rich will get theirs, when government wipes out the middle-class earners and all is left are the rich and the mega rich and then they will fight among themselves as to who will have the taxes to have the country survive. Corporations run the governments and the world is in a mess, many young people don't have jobs, just high education debt and don't have much to look forward to when they turn 65.

[GostHacked]

After reading Cybercoma's post, I was about to say the same thing.......Like they say about great minds

Yeah when you find a couple, let us know.

And Michael Hardner, Kimmy was right. BC is doing his usual schtick. Do you even realize you are being trolled? No?

[Michael Hardner]

And Michael Hardner, Kimmy was right. BC is doing his usual schtick. Do you even realize you are being trolled?

His responses contained points to be addressed, so...

[cybercoma]

His responses contained points to be addressed, so...

the trolling part comes from him not caring one bit about the responses.

[WWWTT]

Nothing gives. It goes back to your non-premise. It always has been the case that if one has more currency in their bank account they have advantages over somebody with less. Those advantages extend to every aspect of life, which includes politics. I suggest getting back to the original topic now.

I agree.

I also believe that this fact is part of the reason why China has a wildly successful economy!

One political party (no partisanship) free of elections outside the party,without susceptible to corrupt influence has allowed this socialist peoples paradise the policy to become the soon #1 world economic power.

I wonder how many of those top 85 are Chinese nationals?

Hmmm, lets take a look shall we.

http://ca.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0LEViZLXehSyksA0EoXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/SIG=11ntg3gk0/EXP=1390988747/**http%3a//www.forbes.com/billionaires/

WWWTT

[Shady]

It's like they are stuck in permanent victim mode with no way out. It's all the rich people's fault that they can't find a job. Damn those rich people !

Pathetic? As you're fond of pointing out, what happens in America matters around the world. It's certainly not pathetic for people in Canada to worry what might happen if Paul Ryan or one of his imitators becomes president. We're still dealing with the mess the last round of regulation-cutting dummies left behind.

-k

What regulations?

[Shady]

It doesn't matter what Paul Ryan says or does....he is just another lame excuse...especially for anybody in Canada. That's just pathetic....

Good point. I think their victim hood must start out at an early age. Because it seems to be something that never goes away.

[Michael Hardner]

the trolling part comes from him not caring one bit about the responses.

He responds to them, so he does care. He doesn't believe them but he cares enough to respond.

[Michael Hardner]

Good point. I think their victim hood must start out at an early age. Because it seems to be something that never goes away.

But there must be a point at which even you would say that the system has too many barriers to the lower and middle earners. Individual store owners can barely make it a go anymore, for example, because of big chains. I'm asking honestly here if there are aspects of that that bother you.

[GostHacked]

He responds to them, so he does care. He doesn't believe them but he cares enough to respond.

If he does not believe his own responses, then what do you get?

[Michael Hardner]

If he does not believe his own responses, then what do you get?

Trolling, providing he admits to not believing his own responses are valid.

[GostHacked]

Trolling, providing he admits to not believing his own responses are valid.

Come on Mike, he is a self admitted troll. Ever wonder why he does not respond to me directly anymore? I called him out on it before. You can't be that blind to see that he is obviously trolling you.

The answer is 'Canada'.