jacee Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Prove he was 'indoctrinated' rather than just workin' for the family. Hint...you can't prove it.He was 15, a minor under parental control. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 He was 15, a minor under parental control. He was a 15 year old illegal combatant and murderer. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 He was 15, a minor under parental control. Indeed. When I was 15, my father used to take me on all sorts of adventures by bush plane. We could have crashed and been stranded in the wilderness. By your logic, I was indoctrinated by him to enjoy the dangers of flight. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 He was a 15 year old illegal combatant and murderer. Practically a combat engineer. Omar working with a pile of Russian mines, blasting cables and detonators. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Practically a combat engineer. Omar working with a pile of Russian mines, blasting cables and detonators. Gee, when I was 15 years old, we would go to Radio Shack for electronic parts, not anti-personnel mines. Edited February 17, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Gee, when I was 15 years old, we would go to Radio Shack for radio parts, not anti-personnel mines. I made a mortar as a kid. My chums an I ripped a hole in the roof of neighbour's motor home with it. The RCMP figured I needed a new hobby. I then took-up rocketry...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 I made a mortar as a kid. My chums an I ripped a hole in the roof of neighbour's motor home with it. The RCMP figured I needed a new hobby. I then took-up rocketry...lol. Hmmm....that's more impressive than exploding an entire box of toy gun caps like we did. Remember those....red rolls of gunpowder caps for toy pistols ? I wonder if those are still made. Kids like Khadr get the real thing at home and in Afghannerstan. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Indeed. When I was 15, my father used to take me on all sorts of adventures by bush plane. We could have crashed and been stranded in the wilderness. By your logic, I was indoctrinated by him to enjoy the dangers of flight. You asked for proof. You got it. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Hmmm....that's more impressive than exploding an entire box of toy gun caps like we did. Remember those....red rolls of gunpowder caps for toy pistols ? I wonder if those are still made. Kids like Khadr get the real thing at home and in Afghannerstan. Yes...they were fun to scratch with a pen knife in class. The mortar we made was a simple blocked tube about an inch across. We put an Atom firecracker into an old 30-06 casing, toss it down the tube followed by the projectile. A stealie/ball-bearing would crack plywood. Accidents did occur...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 You asked for proof. You got it. I knew full well what was going on. Did my first take-off/landing @ 14. No indoctrination needed. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 He was a 15 year old illegal combatant and murderer. And the difference between him and the American's? Age? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 And the difference between him and the American's? Age? ...and legal combatant, identified as such. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 ...and legal combatant, identified as such. Identified by who, GW Bush who took a pen and said at the same time Gitmo isn't American soil and at the same time said habeus corpus doesn't exist there. Stick your head back in the sand buddy. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Identified by who, GW Bush who took a pen and said at the same time Gitmo isn't American soil and at the same time said habeus corpus doesn't exist there. Stick your head back in the sand buddy. You're projecting values our modern 'Western' society holds upon another society. Not so long ago... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clem Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 If a 15 year old kid did the same thing in the US, he might likely not have seen jail time. Or, if he did he would have been out long ago. HE WAS A CHILD.according to the law in most civilized countries. He is being used as apawn,and if I were an American I would be embarrassed. Of course according to your tea party people you aren't a democracy anymore. Good thing you have cheap gas. Quote
eyeball Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 He was 15, a minor under parental control. He was a lot younger than that when they started poisoning his mind. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Material support VIA NATO in Turkey giving the Free Syrian Army a base of operations. The FSA is made up of known terror groups including Al-Queda. Dog thinks that if a weapon does not have NATO on it, then it is not proof that we are supporting terrorism. I've already shown in other threads that this has been the case in Syria in which we are supporting terrorism. Much in the same way the Muhajedeen was supported via the CIA in Afghanistan. We are exercising forms of subversion and terrorism when supporting known terror groups against another so called tyrant.We are directly supporting terrorism through our foreign policy, and I will use Syria as a specific example. Do you think that it was NATO's intention to support terrorist groups ? and how much of the FSA is made up of terrorist groups ? I thought it was NATO intention to give those that wanted to over throw the dictator a fighting chance....Would it not be in our own best interest to support such a change, not only for the country but the region....maybe i'm just dreaming....or do we stick our heads in the sand , watch and hope that things turn out alright. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Do you think that it was NATO's intention to support terrorist groups ? and how much of the FSA is made up of terrorist groups ? I thought it was NATO intention to give those that wanted to over throw the dictator a fighting chance....Would it not be in our own best interest to support such a change, not only for the country but the region....maybe i'm just dreaming....or do we stick our heads in the sand , watch and hope that things turn out alright. Is Syria in the North Atlantic? There's your first clue as to what NATO should be doing. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Well - not quite; It looks like the Taliban which were thrown into prison in Afghanistan were the lucky ones. Karsai has just thumbed his nose at Canada and the USA by opening up the gates of a prison in Kabul releasing about 65 terrorists. It is expected that most of them will return to their battle. These are Taliban who have killed and maimed Americans, Canadians and British. “The U.S. military strongly condemned Thursday’s release, saying some of those set free were directly linked to attacks that have killed or wounded 32 U.S. or coalition personnel and 23 Afghan security personnel or civilians.” Star article can be found at: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/02/13/afghanistan_defies_us_by_freeing_suspected_militants.html It is ironic that these convicted terrorists are free while we continue to hold Khadr (I assume on behalf of the Afghanistan government because of Khadr's actions against it) in our jail. Just what are we doing holding this guy in jail? Just what message are we sending? This finger pointing has become silly. Does anybody still think that it was a good idea to get involved in that escalating fiasco in Afghanistan? At this rate we will soon be holding the only prisoner from that debacle. Admit we made a mistake, let Khadr go, close the door on this sorry mess and lets get on with plans for the next war. BTW – If we consider that at 15 years of age a person is responsible enough to be treated as a combatant then why don't we allow Canadian 15 year olds into battle? How is that ironic, when your source has said the US and other coalition forces are again'st releasing these guys.....Why are they again'st it, are they still a threat, concerns for security....it may seem ironic to you, but i think they have a strong case....Now the pres of Afghan has a different veiw, his country will be left holding the bag once NATO is gone..... Why are we holding him, it was an agreement between governments to have Khadr returned so he could serve the rest of his term in a Canadian jail...do you think he would have been better off in a US prison? We are not sending any message, Omar has been found guilty of war crimes, and was charged and sentenced.....and now serving that sentence what message do you think it sends ?..... I think so, we saved thousands of people, we gave them the peace that they have longed for for over 30 years of constant war....do you think they were better under taliban rule ? I think the Afghan war has been one of the few we have not done for oil, or profit....but rather good intentions, we may have fallen short in delivering but their standard of living improved while we were there....the inter net is full of fears and concerns from Afghan people on what will happen afetr NATO is gone....how do you explain that? Are you saying there has never been a case here in Canada were a minor, has been held responsable for a adult crime ? Omar crimes are not spray painting some store front....his crimes are he was a canadian would joined a terrorist group that help opress the people of Afghan....where in, he was found guilty of aiding that terroist group, and the murder of a US service men..... Are we saying that all minors should not be held responsable for their actions ever ? And lets get the facts straight he was 2 months away from his 16 th birthday....and on this day god does not come down and strike them on the head and poof you have common sense.....He was a combatant that opressed the people of Afghan....IS that not again'st the law....it is in Canadian law, inter national law, and guess what the frigging Genva convention.....are we to throw all those out as well....... Show me any where under all these laws that it clearly states that a minor can not be held accountable for his actions... Canada does not allow any of it's soldiers that are under 18 in combat, why is that because it is clearly written in Canadian law, inter national law and the genva convention.....Age has nothing to do whether your consider a combatant , it is your actions that controls that... Once your a combatant there is no going back....you become a threat to be eliminated.....to which deadly force is authorized.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 That wasn't legal. So are you suggesting anything or just spewing venom (ethnic hatred?) a convenient target? . How is not legal, in fact after the aledged Prisoner abuse scandal, Canada stop handing over it's prisoners to the US, and gave them to Afghan authorities..even though we knew what would happen to those guys..if they failed to keep direct supervision on...Must be legal or our government would not have done so.... Also i want to add this, if you commit a crime in another country which laws do you answer to.....Canadians are serving sentences all over the world....Canda could send Omar back, but will not as it might be a death sentence, that and the fact as long as we have him this circus side show is contained.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 And yet many others were released from GITMO, only to come back for a second time for the same reasons. We don't hear to much about that from those who seem to despise Kadhr. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/29/gitmo-detainees-return-terror/ http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell/two-saudis-released-gitmo Kadhr is behind bars. For those against him, what is the exact issue here when other terrorists are being released back to cause more terrorism? I think you make a suggestion for our cause, those that were released have not learned a thing from their prison term....in fact they have gone out to reoffend, to terrorize the same people again.......well Omar has not had that oportunity because he remains behind bars....where all terrorist should be behind bars..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
waldo Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 Canada does not allow any of it's soldiers that are under 18 in combat, why is that because it is clearly written in Canadian law, inter national law and the genva convention.....Age has nothing to do whether your consider a combatant , it is your actions that controls that... Once your a combatant there is no going back....you become a threat to be eliminated.....to which deadly force is authorized.... and under the Bush admin, Khadr was classified as an 'enemy combatant'. Accordingly, your reliance on the Geneva Convention is inappropriate as Bush took that away under the 'enemy combatant' classification. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 He was 15, a minor under parental control. He was 15 .......but this has already posted here his parents were in Pakistan...I forgot who i was posting to, ..he had begged them to let him go to Afghan so he could join his merry band of thugs......Is that what you meant a minor under parental control.... Just a short time later DAD would be dead, killed in a raid by Pakistan authorities his younger brother with a bullet in the spine from the same action ....more edvidence of parental control....He was in a culture that considered him a adult....he was in afghan when he was shot, that should be proof that he did not need parental control.....he was living his life with out his parents....you just don't get it..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Big Guy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 and under the Bush admin, Khadr was classified as an 'enemy combatant'. Accordingly, your reliance on the Geneva Convention is inappropriate as Bush took that away under the 'enemy combatant' classification. I have observed that very few people who refer to the Geneva Convention during their argument (valid or not) have actually read that declaration. No country ( and I emphasize NO COUNTRY) has ever followed the letter and law of those overly optimistic articles. The attempt was to create “civilized” parameters to war. By its nature war can never be “civilized”. Those with time on their hands may be interested in reading them; http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/6756482d86146898c125641e004aa3c5 Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Posted February 17, 2014 and under the Bush admin, Khadr was classified as an 'enemy combatant'. Accordingly, your reliance on the Geneva Convention is inappropriate as Bush took that away under the 'enemy combatant' classification. Omar was consider an Illigal combantant was he not, and the questioned asked was why Canada does not allow soldiers in combat at age 15 ....i replied because of the different laws we have signed on to prevents that..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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