Argus Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 To be fair, he's not actually wrong in that regard, it's just a poor analogy. To be fair, he said Fort McMurray looks like Hiroshima. Which is ludicrous. https://www.google.ca/search?q=fort+mcmurray&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=KELXUtH3N8GtrgHa-IHgCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=568 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 How about you start by explaining to me why we're better off paying 43-80c per kwh for solar power as opposed to 6c per kwh for natural gas power? Then you can make the case for why we're getting rid of our coal power stations while other countries, including Germany, are building more. Careful now. That sounds an awful lot like something you'd hear on Fox News. Quote
Argus Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Careful now. That sounds an awful lot like something you'd hear on Fox News. No, they're not that intelligent. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 No, they're not that intelligent. Is that what your online sources tell you? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Not entirely. Seems to me if there were no rules the oil industry would already be building pipelines in BC instead of talking about it and going through negotations and hearing for the past year or more. And the Tories have always believed the provinces should be looking after resources since the constitution gives them control over them. The Tories believe whatever their masters in big business tell them to believe. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
jacee Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 we've had this point played out in a previous thread. Young clarified his analogy was strictly with respect to the landscape look.I agree with cybercoma that the Hiroshima comparison was insensitive as that was a human genocidal disaster.I applaud Neil Young for sticking his neck out and raising awareness of the issues around tar sands, Fort Chip cancers, treaty rights, need for financial support for legal challenges in defense of aboriginal rights, etc. That doesn't mean I'll agree with everything he says, but I support his right to speak out and his courage in generating controversy and these very necessary conversations. I just listened to his interview with Jian Ghomeshi on the National. - "fuel smell in Fort Mac burned my eyes and throat and the nearest (tar sands) site was 25 miles away - It all surprises me. This is Canada. This is a huge surprise to me. I'm from Canada. I'm Canadian and I'm proud of Canada and when I'm in the US ... I speak as a Canadian. I always felt that Canada was a different place, the values were different, and that we cherished the natural surroundings. ..." Well, I have to say that maybe Neil hasn't spent enough time in Canada to really know the truth, and instead has fallen for the idyllic myth. Seems he's been under the delusion that he spoke/sang from a position of Canadian 'superiority' ... the childhood myth that most of us who continued to live here in adulthood gradually shed or moderated as we experienced the reality. And I have to say too that he's naive to blame the Harper government. Though Harper wants to crank up production hugely and silence science, the tar sands didn't start with Harper. And I still think Neil's great for getting involved! Quote
jacee Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 This Neil guy is starting to sound more and more spun! WWWTT "This Neil guy ..." ??? Are you an alien transported here only recently? . Quote
cybercoma Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Not entirely. Seems to me if there were no rules the oil industry would already be building pipelines in BC instead of talking about it and going through negotations and hearing for the past year or more. And the Tories have always believed the provinces should be looking after resources since the constitution gives them control over them.Of course, I didn't say there were no rules though. Just that we're moving that way. I have no doubt in my mind those pipes will be built eventually and in the not so distant future. Quote
jacee Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 To be fair, he said Fort McMurray looks like Hiroshima. Which is ludicrous. https://www.google.ca/search?q=fort+mcmurray&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=KELXUtH3N8GtrgHa-IHgCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=568 Yes he's clarified that he meant the tar sands, not the town.Though the air in town smelled like "fuel" and burned his eyes and throat ... coming from operations 25+ miles away. Even at peak, Hamilton's steel mills couldn't do that ... and we're 'the armpit of Canada'? Looks like Fort Mac's got that honour now! Quote
jacee Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 You have any idea how much the economy relies on the oil and gas industry? How many jobs are involved? How much economic activity they generate, not to mention how much in taxes?You have any idea how much human life on this planet relies on air, soil, water and fragile ecosystems?For how long would setting your house on fire be a viable way of keeping your family warm? . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 You have any idea how much human life on this planet relies on air, soil, water and fragile ecosystems? . Gee, is there a shortage of human life on the planet ? Are humans an endangered species ? Are humans not living longer lives after the "age of oil"? Are humans not getting fatter ? Are humans not living in colder climates ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Hey, Neil Young says he loves Canada and speaks as a Canadian (cough cough). Hey Neil, guess where some of the uranium for the Hiroshima bomb came from, as well as the uranium for thousands of US/UK Cold War nuclear weapons ? Ditto depleted uranium used in Iraq. Yeah, Neil Young really knows his natural and pristine Canada as seen from California and the USA. Edited January 16, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 Are humans an endangered species ? Yes. Quote
jacee Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 Hey, Neil Young says he loves Canada and speaks as a Canadian (cough cough). Hey Neil, guess where some of the uranium for the Hiroshima bomb came from, as well as the uranium for thousands of US/UK Cold War nuclear weapons ? Ditto depleted uranium used in Iraq. Yeah, Neil Young really knows his natural and pristine Canada as seen from California and the USA.Yes. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Hey, Neil Young says he loves Canada and speaks as a Canadian (cough cough). Hey Neil, guess where some of the uranium for the Hiroshima bomb came from, as well as the uranium for thousands of US/UK Cold War nuclear weapons ? Ditto depleted uranium used in Iraq. Yeah, Neil Young really knows his natural and pristine Canada as seen from California and the USA. And do you think it was Neil who dropped those bombs as well? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 You have any idea how much human life on this planet relies on air, soil, water and fragile ecosystems? For how long would setting your house on fire be a viable way of keeping your family warm? . And then there is the old "insult on top of injury" scenario where, as we have seen before, when the tar sands boys fold their tents and move on the good old taxpayer will be left with the cleanup bill when the tailings ponds start leaking into the rivers. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 And do you think it was Neil who dropped those bombs as well? Yes. And Neil Young is still living large in the US of A, not Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Yes. 7 billion and growing is not an endangered species. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 7 billion and growing is not an endangered species. Nope...that would be considered an infestation on other Federation planets. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 To be fair, he said Fort McMurray looks like Hiroshima. Which is ludicrous.Yes, at least Hiroshima was able to be rebuilt. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/16/oilsands-hiroshima-fort-mcmurray-photos-neil-young_n_4604681.html Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
PIK Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Thanks for pointing out the bias! Ted Nugent is a politically active musician, but not what the left wants to hear. ( I remember something about bear hunting in Northern Ontario among other issues) So he gets dismissed ASAP! But Neil knows how to play an audience well so he just successfully restarted his musical career! Don't be surprised if you see a new album out 2014 with a supporting tour. WWWTT Neil picked up a good idea from another multi millionaire uniformed mouth piece michael moore, the more richer you get, dress even poorer looking then the people you are filling full of shit. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Yes, at least Hiroshima was able to be rebuilt. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/16/oilsands-hiroshima-fort-mcmurray-photos-neil-young_n_4604681.html http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/13/hypocrite-neil Edited January 16, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 You can't post an Ezra Levant column on this board. It'll just be derided before it's even read. Quote
Argus Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Yes, at least Hiroshima was able to be rebuilt. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/16/oilsands-hiroshima-fort-mcmurray-photos-neil-young_n_4604681.html All I see is a muddy area with some roads going across it, which you can probably see in a lot of places. So what? Where are the wrecked buildings? Are you saying that any muddy area with trails cut across it is Hiroshima? Are you positive the area pictured is always going to look like that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Those images would be more impactful if it was a lush forrest before. From what I gather not a lot of Alberta is forrest. Quote
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