Guest Derek L Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Yes it will. -green-car-sales-rise- Last month's US sales of hybrids, battery-electric vehicles, plug-in hybrids and diesels jumped 30 percent from May 2012 numbers to more than 60,000, perhaps because Americans are gearing up for higher summer gas prices by buying more fuel efficient cars. Plug-in vehicle sales rose even faster, at a 69 percent clip My wife is looking at a Tesla sedan to replace her Cadillac SUV.........75k+ is not yet a "people's car"........fossil fuels will fuel cars for decades. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Yes it will. -green-car-sales-rise- Last month's US sales of hybrids, battery-electric vehicles, plug-in hybrids and diesels jumped 30 percent from May 2012 numbers to more than 60,000, perhaps because Americans are gearing up for higher summer gas prices by buying more fuel efficient cars. Plug-in vehicle sales rose even faster, at a 69 percent clip The U.S. is not Canada....nice try. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TimG Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) the continued characterization that one side is utterly unholy and seeks to destroyReally? All I did is say environmental groups are only interested in blocking development. They have no interest in seeing any project move forward under any conditions. That does not make them evil unless one sees such obstructionism as evil. What I was doing is calling jacee out on her silly talking points that environmentalists are only trying to be reasonable. If they were trying to be reasonable they would be making an effort to say that they want to see the development move forward provided the proper protections are in place (A position I can support). We don't get that. Get get demands to uncategorically reject the pipeline. This makes my statement a statement of fact. Edited January 20, 2014 by TimG Quote
Hudson Jones Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 The U.S. is not Canada....nice try. Plug-In Electric Car Sales In Canada In 2013: Up 50 Percent This is a year-over-year improvement of more than 50 percent on 2012's total Canadian sales of plug-in cars Link Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
TimG Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Unfortunately those "rules" you speak of that industry is supposed to abide by, have and are disappearing at a great rate under the Harper governmentGive me one example of such a rule AND explain how the rule actually helped. Lots of rules get created that serve no useful purpose so there is no loss if these rules are eliminated. Keep in mind that many rules sound good on paper but are useless in practice. Edited January 20, 2014 by TimG Quote
jacee Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) My wife is looking at a Tesla sedan to replace her Cadillac SUV.........75k+ is not yet a "people's car"........fossil fuels will fuel cars for decades.The Prius is: PRIUS. Standard Package. $26,105* and the car companies are all hopping on board this trend. It'll be at tipping point soon. Edited January 20, 2014 by jacee Quote
Guest Derek L Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Plug-In Electric Car Sales In Canada In 2013: Up 50 Percent This is a year-over-year improvement of more than 50 percent on 2012's total Canadian sales of plug-in cars Link From your link: As in the U.S., exact numbers are hard to get, thanks to a lack of sales figures from Tesla and others. But plug-ins represented roughly 0.1 percent of Canadian new car sales, or about 1,800 out of 1.7 million vehicles As I said.......we'll be driving dirt burners for decades. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) The Prius is, and the car companies are all hopping on board. The Prius is fine if you're a midget and like plastic......as the figure above shows, plug-ins make up ~0.1% of new Canadian car sales. Edited January 20, 2014 by Derek L Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Really? All I did is say environmental groups are only interested in blocking development.They are , in the scheme of things, the flip side of the coin. Without them companies would have the green light to do whatever they want. Call them a necessary evil if one must, for without we would be in worse condition. Quote
jacee Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Posted January 20, 2014 As I said.......we'll be driving dirt burners for decades.Hybrid + plugins.Now you are trying to distort facts to your agenda. Not honest. Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 As I said.......we'll be driving dirt burners for decades.We may be, but they will be burning far less going forward. Be prepared for the BRP Can Am to be a car introduced next year for $7000 or so. Single seater, a fraction of the gas and likely to roll things out for the future. Quote
TimG Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Without them companies would have the green light to do whatever they want.I understand the value of constructive environmentalism. But that is not what we see today. Can you provide any evidence that environmental groups working constructively to find a combination of rules that would allow the projects to move forward at a manageable cost? Edited January 20, 2014 by TimG Quote
Hudson Jones Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) People are afraid of progress (changing to renewable and cleaner energy) for various reasons. One reason is because progress, no matter how many positives it may have, would mean that their investment (companies that rely on oil) would no longer give the same return. This is why so much money is invested in PR to make people believe that we have no other choice. That we're fighting a losing battle. That we need to continue to do this, otherwise, everything will collapse. The reality is that there are many alternatives and those alternatives continue to become better and better. Kenya to generate over half of its electricity through solar power by 2016 Government invests $1.2bn jointly with private companies to build solar power plants across the country Link Edited January 20, 2014 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jacee Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) The Prius is fine if you're a midget and like plastic......as the figure above shows, plug-ins make up ~0.1% of new Canadian car sales.Hybrid + plugins. Prius has good head and leg room. My 6'2" friend loved his. Look at the trend line. Now run out and buy some shares in hybrid manufacturers. . Edited January 20, 2014 by jacee Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Give me one example of such a rule AND explain how the rule actually helped.History provides a metric shitload of examples, not Harpers fault per se, but failure by govt to demand and bond for such failures . Whos cleaning up Lac Megantic? Why, if overseers knew what they had on their rolling stock didnt demand a $100M bond for clean up? Who's cleaning up TEPCO's fiasco? Taxpayers Who paid for Love Canal, the 800 families moved, the cancer costs of residents? Want more? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Hybrid + plugins. Now you are trying to distort facts to your agenda. Not honest. What agenda is that? Quote
Hudson Jones Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 From your link: As I said.......we'll be driving dirt burners for decades. Do you think the rate of growth will stay constant? There is a 50% growth in the market each year. That is significant and by pretending otherwise only shows that you're not realistic. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jacee Posted January 20, 2014 Author Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I understand the value of constructive environmentalism. But that is not what we see today. Can you provide any evidence that environmental groups working constructively to find a combination of rules that would allow the projects to move forward at a manageable cost?"constructive" is a two way street, Tim.Glad you are finally trying ... sorta. It takes all kinds ... Edited January 20, 2014 by jacee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Whos cleaning up Lac Megantic? Why, if overseers knew what they had on their rolling stock didnt demand a $100M bond for clean up? Who's cleaning up TEPCO's fiasco? Taxpayers Who paid for Love Canal, the 800 families moved, the cancer costs of residents? Who collected payroll taxes ? Who collected license fees ? Who collected retail fuel taxes ? Who collected retail sales taxes ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 We may be, but they will be burning far less going forward. Be prepared for the BRP Can Am to be a car introduced next year for $7000 or so. Single seater, a fraction of the gas and likely to roll things out for the future. I've no doubt, and that's a good thing, but to suggest fossil fuels will be displaced in the near term (next several decades) is delusional…….till then, cute little hybrids will be brought from manufacturer to dealer on the back of diesel powered trucks and trains. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Do you think the rate of growth will stay constant? There is a 50% growth in the market each year. That is significant and by pretending otherwise only shows that you're not realistic. Let me know when they reach 1% of the market share. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 Let me know when they reach 1% of the market share. Wow...1%...that will be impressive ! No more Ford F-150 pickups will be needed. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 People like you will only slow the progress but you will not be able to change the inevitable. Our reliance on oil will decrease on many fronts. Science and technology trumps scared people who are afraid of progress and change. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
guyser Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 I understand the value of constructive environmentalism. But that is not what we see today. Can you provide any evidence that environmental groups working constructively to find a combination of rules that would allow the projects to move forward at a manageable cost?Why (bold) does that have to be a factor? A bad idea is a bad idea. I dont give a rats patoot if someone can make a succesful business and employ lots of people. Brazil had been deforesting for decades, provided lots of local employment, but the problem is that is the worlds filter and we are suffering for it. Ask the astronauts what the effects of logging have for Madagascar? Apart from there being no trees left? You see , from the other side, we know, factuallym that companies will bury every goddamn piece of bad literature they will. Go see... Duke Energy Forest Products Assn/Tembec and Canada parks and wilderness. Quote
guyser Posted January 20, 2014 Report Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Who collected payroll taxes ? Who collected license fees ? Who collected retail fuel taxes ? Who collected retail sales taxes ? Possible the dumbest thing you have posted in a long time. Well done. So, you paid property taxes, you can now start a dump in your backyard, after all, you paid taxes. The city/govt will come and clean it up with no charge to you. Damn thats stupid , even for you. You want to start a dump,a railway moving toxic fuel, a chemical company that produces toxic waste, pony up a Bond sufficient for clean up commensurate with the risk. Youre right tho, it had to be a cup of coffee in the insurance business for one to be so utterly ignorant. Edited January 20, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
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