Accountability Now Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 I think people will accept the rightwing commentary of John Ivison as fact about as much as you'll accept the commentary of some leftwing journalist. Did you read the article? He's not exactly praising Harper. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Just for clarity.... http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/28/john-ivison-the-3-1-billion-conservative-boondoggle-that-never-was/ Jacee - will you now stop repeating your fictitious $3.1 billion "theft"? Probably not. Edited January 23, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 That is the norm for that. If they did not storm out something would be wrong. Enough of the bull. And he was right on all accounts, this world is going back to the 30's. Heil Hitler. How has sitting on a fence for how many decades helped. It has not, the old way has never worked .And thank god harper has the balls to say what had to be said. Fact of the matter is he said nothing of import. He flubbed it both times so far. Netanyahu had to pick up the ball for him at the press conference and point out that Canada has a national policy that disagrees with Israels, that states that the west bank settlements are "an impedament to peace, and, illegal" Harper may as well have hidden under his desk. Then his cronie Adler makes this quip about the "million dollar shot" at the Western Wall. Between those goofs and Fob Ford it is a bit of an embarrasing day for Canadians. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 Jacee - will you now stop repeating your fictitious $3.1 billion "theft"? Probably not. Nobody ever said it was a theft, nobody ever said it went missing. Just that the AG concluded that it couldn't be accounted for. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 Nobody ever said it was a theft, nobody ever said it went missing. Just that the AG concluded that it couldn't be accounted for. From Jacee's post #219: If you have to ask, you haven't been paying attention. So where's the missing $3b? Whose pockets got lined with that? Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 Fact of the matter is he said nothing of import. He flubbed it both times so far. Netanyahu had to pick up the ball for him at the press conference and point out that Canada has a national policy that disagrees with Israels, that states that the west bank settlements are "an impedament to peace, and, illegal" Harper may as well have hidden under his desk. Then his cronie Adler makes this quip about the "million dollar shot" at the Western Wall. Between those goofs and Fob Ford it is a bit of an embarrasing day for Canadians. Harper has said the settlements are a problem. And harper also said he was not going to criticize Israel during this trip. And the alder thing, well that proved you and others including the media party were wrong about this being a photo op and I am glad you brought it up. This was a historic trip but the hatred of the left will not allow people to see that, printing nothing but pure crap about the trip. It did prove that harper has guts and is not afaid to go against the real haters and bigots in this country and the world. I don't know of any other leader with that courage . The only people that has embbarressed canada is you and all the other haters and bigots out there. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
BubberMiley Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 The only people that has embbarressed canada is you and all the other haters and bigots out there.Harper's trip backfired when he equated criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. Canadians don't care for such wedge politics and they don't like their PMs to be so petty as to cry bigotry when faced with different opinions. But I thank you for perpetuating that line, thereby improving the chances of a solid CPC defeat in the next election. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
cybercoma Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 Harper's trip backfired when he sang, "Hey, Jew" at a State Dinner in Jerusalem. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted January 23, 2014 Report Posted January 23, 2014 oh my! Just when is enough... enough, already! Is he SERIOUSLY singing "Hey Jude" to his Jewish friends in Jerusalem??? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Harper's trip backfired when he equated criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. Canadians don't care for such wedge politics and they don't like their PMs to be so petty as to cry bigotry when faced with different opinions. But I thank you for perpetuating that line, thereby improving the chances of a solid CPC defeat in the next election. Exactly. I happen to be half Jewish, father's side. That's neither here nor there and has nothing to do with my choice to not tolerate any kind of racism. Criticising Israel has nothing to do with anti semetism. Apparently there are a number of bigots out there that just don't get that. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Exactly. I happen to be half Jewish, father's side. That's neither here nor there and has nothing to do with my choice to not tolerate any kind of racism. Criticising Israel has nothing to do with anti semetism. Apparently there are a number of bigots out there that just don't get that. You're absolutely right - and both Harper and Netanyahu agree with you.....but NOT criticizing those countries/groups who call for the obliteration of Israel IS a veiled, if not overt form of anti-Semitism. Here in Toronto - the Queers against Apartheid is a perfect example.....no criticism of Hamas/Palestinians or Arab countries for their Homophobic culture - yet demonizing Israel, the only Middle Eastern country where homosexuals are treated equally. York University is a bastion of anti-Semitism - among other activist goings-on, promoting boycotts of everything from soup to nuts - but not one peep of criticism of Iran or Hamas or Palestinian Human Rights in general. Go figure. Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Queers against Apartheid , what a joke that is, I wish there leaders would do a tour of the arabs states, and see how many come back. How in hell can you take anyone seriously when the people they back would kill them in a instant. Do people realize how stupid they look. Look at the gay parade in Israel, I would like to see the queers have one in Israel's neighbouring countries. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
bud Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Queers against Apartheid , what a joke that is, I wish there leaders would do a tour of the arabs states, and see how many come back. How in hell can you take anyone seriously when the people they back would kill them in a instant. Do people realize how stupid they look. Look at the gay parade in Israel, I would like to see the queers have one in Israel's neighbouring countries. no one is backing muslim fundamentalists by speaking out against human rights violations by israel. you have a very narrow and naive view of things. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
PIK Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 no one is backing muslim fundamentalists by speaking out against human rights violations by israel. you have a very narrow and naive view of things.Yes they are bud. When Israel is singled out, and the arabs states get a free pass that is exactly what they are doing. I am not the one with the narrow view, because I understand the BS going on right now. Heil Hitler. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
bud Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Yes they are bud. When Israel is singled out, and the arabs states get a free pass that is exactly what they are doing. I am not the one with the narrow view, because I understand the BS going on right now. Heil Hitler. israel is not singled out. the only reason we're talking about israel is because you and other zionists are unable to accept what israel is doing is illegal and against the moral and ethical standards of the west. i do not see countries who break the law getting a pass. most everyone here agrees that their undemocratic and unethical behaviour is wrong and there is no objection to this. this is why we don't debate it. however, there is a huge resistance in acknowledging and accepting israel's violations of international law. many of the things israel does and how it treats its minorities, not only in the occupied territories, but also inside israel, would NOT be acceptable in canada. harper has failed to acknowledge this and this is why he is known for being completely biased and someone who does not represent what canada stands for both legally and morally. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 You're absolutely right - and both Harper and Netanyahu agree with you.....but NOT criticizing those countries/groups who call for the obliteration of Israel IS a veiled, if not overt form of anti-Semitism. Here in Toronto - the Queers against Apartheid is a perfect example.....no criticism of Hamas/Palestinians or Arab countries for their Homophobic culture - yet demonizing Israel, the only Middle Eastern country where homosexuals are treated equally. York University is a bastion of anti-Semitism - among other activist goings-on, promoting boycotts of everything from soup to nuts - but not one peep of criticism of Iran or Hamas or Palestinian Human Rights in general. Go figure. I hear what you are saying. I have worked in a number of ME countries, most recently Afghanistan, and I have seen some of the horrors that that form of religion can create, especially among people who are mostly illiterate. I have also worked with a number of people in the CAF who worked in Israel and went there thinking they were is full support of the country, and returned with a bit of a question mark. Basically that the oppresion of the Palestinians they witnessed suggested it would be a long road to any peaceful outcome. Our national policy condems the west bank settlements as illegal and from what I saw of what went on in public during Harper's visit, he totally vacated that policy. Now of course we don't know what may have gone on behind closed doors. We can always hope I guess. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 I hear what you are saying. I have worked in a number of ME countries, most recently Afghanistan, and I have seen some of the horrors that that form of religion can create, especially among people who are mostly illiterate. I have also worked with a number of people in the CAF who worked in Israel and went there thinking they were is full support of the country, and returned with a bit of a question mark. Basically that the oppresion of the Palestinians they witnessed suggested it would be a long road to any peaceful outcome. Our national policy condems the west bank settlements as illegal and from what I saw of what went on in public during Harper's visit, he totally vacated that policy. Now of course we don't know what may have gone on behind closed doors. We can always hope I guess. The government's official position is that the settlements are illegal - it's right there on the website. Harper has directed reporters to that website. Netanyahu has said publicly on more than one occasion that he and Harper disagree on settlements. Everyone in Israel knows this. So no, he certainly did not "vacate" this policy - he told everyone in the Knesset for Heaven's sake. Quote Back to Basics
Merkuri Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 Harper has said the settlements are a problem. And harper also said he was not going to criticize Israel during this trip. And the alder thing, well that proved you and others including the media party were wrong about this being a photo op and I am glad you brought it up. This was a historic trip but the hatred of the left will not allow people to see that, printing nothing but pure crap about the trip. It did prove that harper has guts and is not afaid to go against the real haters and bigots in this country and the world. I don't know of any other leader with that courage . The only people that has embbarressed canada is you and all the other haters and bigots out there. Yep, historic. And his oath of allegiance to Israel was lots of fun. Thanks! Quote
Big Guy Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 I believe that Harpers unequivocal support for Israel is not shared by the vast majority of Canadians. He has implied that either you are with him or you are an anti-Semite (like during the Afghanistan debacle you were either with Harper or you were a traitor - like "Taliban" Jack (sic). We certainly remember how that turned out! ). I also sense that the rest of the world also reads that Harpers personal agenda in foreign policy is not shared by most of Canada and will change back to where it was when Harper moves on and Canada again moves back towards the center. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 The Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement (CIFTA) was implemented in 1997, with broad Canadian business support. CIFTA was expanded in subsequent years and is now a target for anti-Israeli activists. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Keepitsimple Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) I believe that Harpers unequivocal support for Israel is not shared by the vast majority of Canadians. He has implied that either you are with him or you are an anti-Semite You said that but Harper certainly didn't. He was very clear in his speech to the Knesset - but of course many people just listen to the media's selected quotes and believe what they want to. Listen to the entire speech and you'll see what he means by the new, veiled anti-Semitism. It's in the Pride Parade's "Queers against Apartheid". It's in some Universities (Like York) that press for Boycotts against anything Israeli. It's about NOT criticising those countries that call for Israel's destruction. It's about NOT criticizing those countries who subjugate women, who would stone homosexuals, who use children as human shields, who launch rockets from civilian centers who would deny Human rights to their own people....that's what Harper was saying. Listen to him. Edited January 25, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
jacee Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) You said that but Harper certainly didn't. He was very clear in his speech to the Knesset - but of course many people just listen to the media's selected quotes and believe what they want to. Listen to the entire speech and you'll see what he means by the new, veiled anti-Semitism. It's in the Pride Parade's "Queers against Apartheid". It's in some Universities (Like York) that press for Boycotts against anything Israeli. It's about NOT criticising those countries that call for Israel's destruction. It's about NOT criticizing those countries who subjugate women, who would stone homosexuals, who use children as human shields, who launch rockets from civilian centers who would deny Human rights to their own people....that's what Harper was saying. Listen to him.What about a country that keeps children outside in cages in extreme weather for thorowing stones?israel-children-torture-palestine NOBODY is innocent here, and NOBODY is 'right'. We can play who did what to whom for decades ... centuries. But the way to peace doesn't lie down that road. eta ... oops bit of a derail here. ... Edited January 26, 2014 by jacee Quote
eyeball Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 The Canada-Israel Free Trade Agreement (CIFTA) was implemented in 1997, with broad Canadian business support. CIFTA was expanded in subsequent years and is now a target for anti-Israeli activists. That's right economics trumps unvirtuous governments all the time. It's a normal oft-celebrated practice...see Boston Tea Party. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 ....But the way to peace doesn't lie down that road. So what ? "Peace" is way overrated anyway. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 So what ? "Peace" is way overrated anyway.You're deciding that on their behalf? Quote
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