Topaz Posted November 14, 2013 Report Posted November 14, 2013 The Heinz Company in Leamington On. is closing in 6-8 months sending 740 people to look for new jobs which are rare in that area of the provinces. It owned by American and Brazilian firm. There was also announced this past week and another US company is closing sending another 200 to look for jobs in Tilbury On. both areas, by the way are held by Tory MP and MPP. Sad time for those areas. http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/11/14/heinz-leamington-announcement-expected-today/ Quote
cybercoma Posted November 14, 2013 Report Posted November 14, 2013 Nearly 1000 jobs gone in a town with less than 30,000 people. This is going to be devastating to Leamington. And it's not just the factory jobs, but the farm suppliers around Heinz that are going to be dramatically affected by the closure. The ripple effect is going to be tragic. Quote
Shady Posted November 14, 2013 Report Posted November 14, 2013 Take that big corporation! They probably weren't paying enough taxes anyways. And plus, Heinz makes a lot of products with lots of salt and sugar. So we don't really want those around anyways. Quote
Topaz Posted November 14, 2013 Author Report Posted November 14, 2013 Well, I guess it a good thing that some of those farmers who won't be growing tomatoes, decide to lease their land to the wind companies. Quote
Shady Posted November 14, 2013 Report Posted November 14, 2013 Well, I guess it a good thing that some of those farmers who won't be growing tomatoes, decide to lease their land to the wind companies. There you go Topaz! Quote
Topaz Posted November 14, 2013 Author Report Posted November 14, 2013 There you go Topaz! What?????? Quote
Guest Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 Take that big corporation! They probably weren't paying enough taxes anyways. And plus, Heinz makes a lot of products with lots of salt and sugar. So we don't really want those around anyways. The problem is, people are going to get their fat and sugar from other sources, so it isn't going to make any difference at all to how fat people are in 2050. Quote
Shady Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 The problem is, people are going to get their fat and sugar from other sources, so it isn't going to make any difference at all to how fat people are in 2050. Oh I completely agree. I just find it pathetic, hypocritical, orwellian, etc that leftwingers drown in such sorrow when a business goes under. When it's these same businesses they seek to punish with higher taxes and restrictive regulations that make it more difficult to provide their products and services. And this example is one of their biggest nemesis', a multi-national corporation! I'm kind of confused, I thought that they'd be cheering this news. Go figure. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 This can't happen!! Not with the Conservatives in charge of the economy!! However, the Pembina has a theory on why it's happening. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Guest Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 Oh I completely agree. I just find it pathetic, hypocritical, orwellian, etc that leftwingers drown in such sorrow when a business goes under. When it's these same businesses they seek to punish with higher taxes and restrictive regulations that make it more difficult to provide their products and services. And this example is one of their biggest nemesis', a multi-national corporation! I'm kind of confused, I thought that they'd be cheering this news. Go figure. Corporations are only not evil if they have the union label. Quote
Mighty AC Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 Take that big corporation! They probably weren't paying enough taxes anyways. And plus, Heinz makes a lot of products with lots of salt and sugar. So we don't really want those around anyways. The conservative race to the bottom for the middle class. If only Canadian workers earned third world wages and we scrapped all those ridiculous environmental regulations and safety standards, then all would be right in conservatopia. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Army Guy Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 Is it the coservative race to the bottom, or is it all of our own greed to push our jobs, manufacture plants, else where. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2013 Report Posted November 15, 2013 Is it the coservative race to the bottom, or is it all of our own greed to push our jobs, manufacture plants, else where. The less companies pay, the less people are able to pay for things manufactured here. So in that way it's a race to the bottom. Quote
Topaz Posted November 15, 2013 Author Report Posted November 15, 2013 Oh I completely agree. I just find it pathetic, hypocritical, orwellian, etc that leftwingers drown in such sorrow when a business goes under. When it's these same businesses they seek to punish with higher taxes and restrictive regulations that make it more difficult to provide their products and services. And this example is one of their biggest nemesis', a multi-national corporation! I'm kind of confused, I thought that they'd be cheering this news. Go figure. Shady, you live in London. On, where Ford closed down and how many of those guys have found jobs? I don't really care about the company I care about the workers, who will find it really hard to find others jobs in that area. This is NOT about left or right, this is about people's hardship and unless you've never been unemployed, you won't understand. There are spots in this region, where people lost their jobs and then they lost their families because of the financial stress, the lucky ones found jobs out of region like London.... 2 hours away, so please don't make this a left issue. Quote
brian66 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 Terrible situation for job losses in Southern Ontario over the past 5+ years. leamington will not be able to replace these jobs. http://looniepolitics.com/dig-hole-debt-stop-digging/ Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 U.S. (or Brazilian) corporations and shareholders do not owe Canadians (or Americans & Brazilians) well paying jobs in perpetuity out of some misguided notion of loyalty. Workers are free to quit or strike when unionized, finding jobs elsewhere. The cost of manufacturing anything in Ontario is becoming more and more expensive (e.g. "hydro"), so expect many more plant closings. Find another market for the tomatoes or shift to other cash crops. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 U.S. (or Brazilian) corporations and shareholders do not owe Canadians (or Americans & Brazilians) well paying jobs in perpetuity out of some misguided notion of loyalty. Workers are free to quit or strike when unionized, finding jobs elsewhere. The cost of manufacturing anything in Ontario is becoming more and more expensive (e.g. "hydro"), so expect many more plant closings. Find another market for the tomatoes or shift to other cash crops. Exactly. And we can thank much of the increased cost of manufacturing to our green friends in the province. But they care about the middle class don't you know. Quote
kimmy Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 Argus posted about Heinz just recently, pointing out that job cutting and cost cutting are a result of the deal Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway group made to acquire Heinz. As a result of the terms of the deal, Heinz is required to provide Berkshire Hathaway with an abnormally high return, so even though Heinz is already a very profitable company it is being forced to cut jobs and operations anyway. The job cuts at Heinz aren't a result of a company failing, it's a result of Wall Street dealings. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
cybercoma Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 Let's not forget that the decision McDonald's made to switch ketchup suppliers is certainly an influence in all of this as well. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 But you know, taxes and unions. Quote
bleeding heart Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 But you know, taxes and unions. As always. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) Let's not forget that the decision McDonald's made to switch ketchup suppliers is certainly an influence in all of this as well. As reported, McDonald's changed ketchup supplier from Heinz in the U.S. (largest) market (except for two cities) years ago. Canadians who don't like the plant closing are "threatening" to boycott all Heinz products, as if that will make even a pathetic difference. I for one will keep buying Heinz products, because my family likes the quality and tradition. Until Canada/Ontario starts coughing up the domestic capital to finance such manufacturing, it will have to keep watching foreign investors do what they want whenever they want, and that includes closing high cost plants. Edited November 16, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) Until Canada/Ontario starts coughing up the domestic capital to finance such manufacturing... I like the hypocrisy of your socialist ideals. Edited November 16, 2013 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Posted November 16, 2013 I like the hypocrisy of your socialist ideals. Putting more private capital from Canada at risk instead of so much foreign invetsment is hardly socialist. Big mouth whiners should pony up the loonies with more skin in the game. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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