bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 About 39% of Americans have valid passports...or about 4 in 10. Many Americans have no practical need for a passport. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 According to Diane Francis each Canadian should receive a check for around $500K through such a merger process to pay us for the natural resources they would acquire. That sounds good, we could all retire and go to Florida. However a lot of us up here would want to do away with the noose, electric chair, gas chamber, lethal injection, as well as being able to buy an AR 15 at the corner store. That may be a snag for a lot of Americans. Quote
Army Guy Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 What natural resources are you talking about, those that the US does notm have already have an abundance of. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 But with Global standards, right ? Yes, starting with a code of governance. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 Yes, starting with a code of governance. So... just to be clear... we're talking about local control, with global standards ? This sounds like global government to me, not that there's anything wrong with that. Air contaminants don't stop at customs. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 According to Diane Francis each Canadian should receive a check for around $500K through such a merger process to pay us for the natural resources they would acquire. Uh, right. That's in the OP. That sounds good, we could all retire and go to Florida. However a lot of us up here would want to do away with the noose, electric chair, gas chamber, lethal injection, as well as being able to buy an AR 15 at the corner store. That may be a snag for a lot of Americans. My mother already does this, when she protests Florida policy as a winter resident there. There's nothing different in that. Capital punishment as a policy doesn't seem to have much a future anyway IMO. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Posted November 9, 2013 .... However a lot of us up here would want to do away with the noose, electric chair, gas chamber, lethal injection, as well as being able to buy an AR 15 at the corner store. That may be a snag for a lot of Americans. The Americans would likewise have a problem with a monarchy and head of state determined by the historical mating habits of rich Europeans, and would want to do away with smashing baby seal skulls with hakapiks. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Yeah, another point I made which to my knowledge has remained unaddressed. We simply can't predict with real accuracy the financial effects of such a massive merger....not to mention that the panaceas of low taxes and low consumer prices (which are not totally without issue in and of themselves, just by the way!), aren't irrefutably going to be the status quo in the future United States of AmeriCanada anyway. I should think that a....well, conservative...approach would be extreme caution. I tend to agree. The two countries get along fine. We have too much in common for armed hostilities to ever arise. Why fix what ain't broke. We don't need merger. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 The Americans would likewise have a problem with a monarchy and head of state determined by the historical mating habits of rich Europeans, and would want to do away with smashing baby seal skulls with hakapiks. We patriated our constitution over 30 yars ago. The crown is symbollic and does what WE say with regard to OUR laws. We stopped executing people 51 years ago, you still do it. And don't be so silly as to bring up animal cruelty as some feeble attempt at redemption. Go watch a movie called "Food Inc". BTW we shut down the seal fir industry long ago. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) We patriated our constitution over 30 yars ago. The crown is symbollic and does what WE say with regard to OUR laws. We stopped executing people 51 years ago, you still do it. I have socks older than your "patriated" constitution. I don't care why the royal progeny of a fallen empire remains Canada's head of state, just saying that such "symbollic" leftovers simply won't do for most Americans. But the Queen does have a nice hat collection. And don't be so silly as to bring up animal cruelty as some feeble attempt at redemption. Go watch a movie called "Food Inc". BTW we shut down the seal fir industry long ago. Isn't "Food Inc." an American film ? Are the seal carcasses processed for food after being skinned, or just left to rot on the ice ? Animal abuse gets far more attention than capital punishment. Edited November 10, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 I have socks older than your "patriated" constitution. I don't care why the royal progeny of a fallen empire remains Canada's head of state, just saying that such "symbollic" leftovers simply won't do for most Americans. But the Queen does have a nice hat collection. Isn't "Food Inc." an American film ? Are the seal carcasses processed for food after being skinned, or just left to rot on the ice ? Animal abuse gets far more attention than capital punishment. The seals are consumed by the people who kill them, the people of Nfld. and Labrador, both for the meat and the skins, which is waht they have traditionally done The wholescale killing to make money out of sealskin boots to Europe was outlawed long ago. Yes, "Food Inc" is American. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Yes, the U.S. and E.U. (and other nations) have banned the import of sealing products, putting great pressure on the scale of this "traditional" practice. Even more restrictions would ne required for any "merger" with the United States. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Americans would have to get their shit together on socialized health care for starters. Obama is trying but the rednecks are still...rednecks. So until that is sorted, there is no chance. That silly patchwork in the States is just not acceptable in Canada. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 What natural resources are you talking about, those that the US does notm have already have an abundance of. Yep, that would be the ones I'm talking about. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Americans would have to get their shit together on socialized health care for starters. Obama is trying but the rednecks are still...rednecks. So until that is sorted, there is no chance. That silly patchwork in the States is just not acceptable in Canada. But it is acceptable to many Canadians, those crossing the border for faster care and those already living and working in the U.S. outright. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) Edited November 10, 2013 by On Guard for Thee Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 But it is acceptable to many Canadians, those crossing the border for faster care and those already living and working in the U.S. outright. Canadians cross the border to get a tooth pulled, or a knee cap fixed. They sure as hell don't go there if they have cancer. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Canadians cross the border to get a tooth pulled, or a knee cap fixed. They sure as hell don't go there if they have cancer. Yes they do...just ask Belinda Stronach. Canadian provinces have standing contracts with American health care providers for such things. They are not waiting for any official merger. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Yes they do...just ask Belinda Stronach. Canadian provinces have standing contracts with American health care providers for such things. They are not waiting for any official merger. Belinda Stronach is a multi millionaire. America dolls out health care first of all to the haves, and then some time later, maybe, when we have time, to the have nots. You must be a have. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Belinda Stronach is a multi millionaire. America dolls out health care first of all to the haves, and then some time later, maybe, when we have time, to the have nots. You must be a have. Socialized health care attempts, at least attempts, to doll it out based on need. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Belinda Stronach is a multi millionaire. America dolls out health care first of all to the haves, and then some time later, maybe, when we have time, to the have nots. You must be a have. This is pretty funny considering that health care is "dolled" out in Canada with long waiting lists, except for those who can pay for faster care. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 This is pretty funny considering that health care is "dolled" out in Canada with long waiting lists, except for those who can pay for faster care. Wrong! Having more money doesn't get you to the head of the line in Canada. Need gets you there. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 Wrong! Having more money doesn't get you to the head of the line in Canada. Need gets you there. This is something else that will have to be worked out before any merger. Having everyone suffering in queue patriotically may be the Canadian way, but that simply won't do for most Americans. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 This is pretty funny considering that health care is "dolled" out in Canada with long waiting lists, except for those who can pay for faster care. And if you think not having access to healthcare because you don't have a lot of money, is funny, then you mkust be American! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2013 Report Posted November 10, 2013 This is something else that will have to be worked out before any merger. Having everyone suffering in queue patriotically may be the Canadian way, but that simply won't do for most Americans. Losing your house, your savings and all the rest because you happen to get sick won't work for most Canadians. Quote
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