Shady Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Looks like ol'Barry's gonna have some explainin' to do! Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite Hmmm, I could almost remember the Prez mentioning something about that being the opposite,,,, He's a lying liar. Edited October 29, 2013 by Shady Quote
waldo Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Shady, why do you prefer brazillions of Americans to be uninsured... to be under-insured? Any chance you might... ever... speak to details/particulars of coverage within the plan itself? Edited October 29, 2013 by waldo Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 The government shutdown wont save Americans a dime. In fact it will cost them money. What WOULD save Americans some money is if congressmen and senators from both parties just resigned or killed themselves... since they dont do anything usefull anyways, and serve no practical purpose. Advocating for U.S. congressional homicides/suicides as a cost savings measure serves no practical purpose. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 29, 2013 Report Posted October 29, 2013 Shady, why do you prefer brazillions of Americans to be uninsured... to be under-insured? Any chance you might... ever... speak to details/particulars of coverage within the plan itself?when you ask people to discuss particulars, it becomes abundantly clear who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. Anyone can spout rhetoric and party propaganda. It takes someone with a modicum of intelligence to discuss the finer details of what's possible and what should be done. Quote
Shady Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Posted October 30, 2013 Obama completely lied to the American people. He specifically stated, several times, that if you like your health insurance plan, you could keep it. That's not true. In fact, it's the complete opposite. Once again we find out why Democrats scheduled the year AFTER the election to fully implement the unaffordable care act. Cause they would've been thrown out on their asses if they actually told people the truth. Quote
Smallc Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 And why can't they keep these garbage health plans? I'll wait for the answer. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Their health care insurance policies are being cancelled (by notice) because of non-compliance with the ACA, or mandatory preventive care provisions. Young healthy people only need/want basic services and catastophic coverage. Obamacare nixes that insurance product. The political problem is that President Obama said they could keep their "garbage" policies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Ah, so there's a good reason for it then...because they're garbage, and they fail the idea of the ACA - everyone pays, everyone gets covered. Shared cost and shared risk. Quote
Shady Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Posted October 30, 2013 Their health care insurance policies are being cancelled (by notice) because of non-compliance with the ACA, or mandatory preventive care provisions. Young healthy people only need/want basic services and catastophic coverage. Obamacare nixes that insurance product. The political problem is that President Obama said they could keep their "garbage" policies. Exactly. Obama would have never been able to pass his hunk of junk reform if he had to tell people that plans they liked and wanted to keep, would be cancelled.Now, we have the absurdity of single males being forced into plans that provide maternity leave. And apparently according to the know-it-all Obama, "free" contraception is mandatorily off all insurance plans, or it's considered garbage by the new rulers of your life that know what's good for you, even if you can't. I guess my Ontario health insurance is a garbage plan. I had no idea! Lol! Quote
Smallc Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Exactly. Obama would have never been able to pass his hunk of junk reform if he had to tell people that plans they liked and wanted to keep, would be cancelled. Because no one should want crazy deductibles and lifetime caps! That's insane. Quote
Shady Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Posted October 30, 2013 Because no one should want crazy deductibles and lifetime caps! That's insane. Dude, deductibles are going up because of Obamacare. Stop worshipping and get a clue. Quote
Smallc Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Dude, deductibles are going up because of Obamacare. Stop worshipping and get a clue. Show me Quote
Guest American Woman Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Obama completely lied to the American people. He specifically stated, several times, that if you like your health insurance plan, you could keep it. That's not true. In fact, it's the complete opposite. Lots of people are irate over it. Understandably. Good article about it from NBC News: Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance Quote
Argus Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Lots of people are irate over it. Understandably. Good article about it from NBC News: Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance As I understand it this doesn't affect 80% of Americans who get their insurance through their employers, and affects about one seventh of those who pay for it privately. The girl who was complaining on the news had a plan which didn't cover hospitals, didn't cover prescriptions, pregnancies, or a lot else. And she was wrong about how much extra it would cost her too. Those who looked at it said she could probably get a better plan now, which did cover those things, for about the same. A lot of those who have come out complaining about how much extra it will cost them haven't actually gone to the marketplace to find a plan. They're going by what their current insurance company is saying. Edited October 30, 2013 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Nevertheless, President Obama sold his ACA by assuring those with existing policies that they could keep them and would not be impacted. My benefits opener for 2014 is next week and we are seeing changes in the plans because of the ACA. I am one of the "80%" that it "doesn't affect". Sure..... Edited October 30, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 As I understand it this doesn't affect 80% of Americans who get their insurance through their employers, and affects about one seventh of those who pay for it privately. The girl who was complaining on the news had a plan which didn't cover hospitals, didn't cover prescriptions, pregnancies, or a lot else. And she was wrong about how much extra it would cost her too. Those who looked at it said she could probably get a better plan now, which did cover those things, for about the same. A lot of those who have come out complaining about how much extra it will cost them haven't actually gone to the marketplace to find a plan. They're going by what their current insurance company is saying. I have no idea what girl you are talking about. I talk to actual people I know, I don't just listen to people on the news, though I did provide a good article about it. But the bottom line is - Obama was lying when he said people could keep their existing policies. That's a fact. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 The ACA supporters insist that people were not mislead, that they are just being "transitioned" to new, Obamacare friendly policies instead. Just like the Grinch telling Cindy Lou Who he was taking her Xmas tree to fix a blown bulb ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 The ACA supporters insist that people were not mislead, that they are just being "transitioned" to new, Obamacare friendly policies instead. Just like the Grinch telling Cindy Lou Who he was taking her Xmas tree to fix a blown bulb ! I know people who were quite astonished when they got their cancellation notices. These notices came out of the blue, as they were led to believe that they would be able to keep them. Quote
dre Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 The ACA supporters insist that people were not mislead, that they are just being "transitioned" to new, Obamacare friendly policies instead. Just like the Grinch telling Cindy Lou Who he was taking her Xmas tree to fix a blown bulb ! Im sure people WERE mislead! In fact, I guarantee you Obama didnt even READ the god damn thing, and he sure as hell didnt write it. Ask the legislative branch and private insurance companies that wrote the damn thing if you want answers. All Obama knows is the talking points they gave him, after they soundly rejected his entire plan and replaced it with the Universal Insurance Company Welfare bill Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 I talk to actual people I know, I don't just listen to people on the news, Except... Your personal experiences don't speak for the whole... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Exactly. Obama would have never been able to pass his hunk of junk reform if he had to tell people that plans they liked and wanted to keep, would be cancelled. Now, we have the absurdity of single males being forced into plans that provide maternity leave. And apparently according to the know-it-all Obama, "free" contraception is mandatorily off all insurance plans, or it's considered garbage by the new rulers of your life that know what's good for you, even if you can't. I guess my Ontario health insurance is a garbage plan. I had no idea! Lol! How many of those single males are off on maternity leave, at least as far as you know? Quote
waldo Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Lots of people are irate over it. Understandably. Good article about it from NBC News: Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance here's a better article, one speaking directly to your linked "good article": Here Is What’s Wrong With That Story About Obama Knowing That Your Health Care Policy Would Get Cancelled This all sounds very ominous until you consider that the naturally high turnover rate associated with the individual market means that it’s highly unlikely that individuals would still be enrolled in plans from 2010 in 2014. In fact, the Obama administration publicly admitted this when it issued the regulations in 2010, leading Republicans like Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) to seize on the story in order to push for repeal of the grandfather regulations. Here is a story in The Hill from Sep. 22, 2010 pointing to this very same 40 to 67 percent range: The debate was widely covered in the press, so it’s unclear what exactly the NBC investigation unit has uncovered. The goal of grandfather regulations is to allow a consumer to keep their existing policies, while also ensuring that there are some basic patient protections built into these plans. If insurers make changes that significantly burden enrollees with lower benefits and increased costs they have to come into compliance with all consumer protections. Therefore, policies lose their grandfathered status if insurers cancel coverage when a person becomes ill, impose lifetime limits on benefits, eliminate all benefits for a particular condition and reduce the cap for covered services each year, among other changes. (In fact, in November of 2010, the federal government loosened some of these standards.) So yes, individuals can keep the plans they have if those plans remain largely the same. But individuals receiving cancellation notices will have a choice of enrolling in subsidized insurance in the exchanges and will probably end up paying less for more coverage. Those who don’t qualify for the tax credits will be paying more for comprehensive insurance that will be there for them when they become sick (and could actually end up spending less for health care since more services will now be covered). They will also no longer be part of a system in which the young and healthy are offered cheap insurance premiums because their sick neighbors are priced out or denied coverage. That, after all, is the whole point of reform. . Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 President Obama will have to endure weeks of this.....the 2014 insurance season has just started ! "No matter how we reform healthcare, we will keep this promise to the American people," he told the American Medical Assn. in 2009. "If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to keep your healthcare plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what." No matter how you slice it, that was a lie. As many as 16 million Americans on the individual health insurance market may lose their insurance policies. Just in the last month, hundreds of thousands have been notified by their insurers that their policies will be canceled. In fact, it appears that more Americans may have lost coverage than gotten it since Healthcare.gov went "live" http://www.latimes.com/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg-obamacare-failure-20131029,0,6727221.column#axzz2jBrutWLC Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Spiderfish Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Because no one should want crazy deductibles and lifetime caps! That's insane. Americans are so fortunate to have a leader enlightened enough to tell them what they should want. Dumb people should not have a choice. Quote
Smallc Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 No, it's not about that. Most people don't understand that a lifetime cap exists, and can be a very bad thing if you get very sick. Insurance is supposed to be there if and when you need it. Many people don't understand that their plan didn't stand behind them, and now I has to. People shouldn't die simply because they reached the cap buried somewhere in the miles of fine print. Quote
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