Big Guy Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 Well, it's official, Canada's largest mental health and addiction treatment and research centre is calling for the legalization of marijuana. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/camh-calls-for-legalization-of-marijuana-1.2793460 How can our current federal government now rationalize not passing new legislation to decriminalize marijuana? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 Well, it's official, Canada's largest mental health and addiction treatment and research centre is calling for the legalization of marijuana. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/camh-calls-for-legalization-of-marijuana-1.2793460 How can our current federal government now rationalize not passing new legislation to decriminalize marijuana? Everything CAMH says is like the annoying buzz of a fly to me. They're just pesky hall monitors that want to control the lives of everyone. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 They're just pesky hall monitors that want to control the lives of everyone.How is calling for decriminalization an attempt at control over everyone's life> Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) How is calling for decriminalization an attempt at control over everyone's life> They want the LCBO model so they can control distribution and pricing. I doubt in CAMH's world anyone would be allowed to grow their own. They don't like the Colorado model, they want the government to control every aspect of the pot business. The reason CAMH is calling for this is because in the defacto decriminalization world we live in now people can get pot however they want. Edited October 9, 2014 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted October 9, 2014 Report Posted October 9, 2014 See my thoughts on CAMH here. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22798-proposed-alcohol-regulations-by-camh/?hl=camh Quote
Big Guy Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Looks like the Americans are smarter than Canadians in their investment into legalized marijuana; http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-canada-marijuana-investors-idUSKCN0HZ0ZY20141010 It would be ironic if those in the USA who chose to make a few dollars on this booming business ended up in jail! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Oh well, the law is the law is the law as they say. If that's the bigger principle that needs to be upheld here then why should these offshore marijuana investors be viewed any differently than these kids that want to go fight with ISIS? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 The CAMH does not seem to realize their plan will be a major fail. It will not protect kids. Just because the gov sells it, organized crime or just regular folks are going to quit growing selling the stuff? I do not want to have to walk into a store to buy it. I will just go to the guy down the road. I want to see people allowed a little and be able to grow a few plants for personal use. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 The CAMH does not seem to realize their plan will be a major fail. It will not protect kids.As opposed to now? It would be better , no doubt about that. Just because the gov sells it, organized crime or just regular folks are going to quit growing selling the stuff?Of course ! Takes the obscene profits out of the picture. The whole idea of legallizing drugs is the get the profit...ergo the criminal aspect , out of the way. Then the WoD can end and that money earlarked can do better things. I do not want to have to walk into a store to buy it. I will just go to the guy down the road. I want to see people allowed a little and be able to grow a few plants for personal use.You seem confused. You want it illegal, ergo the guy down the street....but you want a few plants to be able to grow it. Yikes pik...figure it out. Quote
Boges Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) Comparing alcohol sales an distribution to potential pot sales and distribution is of folly IMHO. The overhead required to make really good alcohol is huge, not so much for pot. Black Dog educated me earlier in this thread that making pot isn't the same as growing any plant, which is fine, but it still easier than making good alcohol. Home brew is not good alcohol. Under the CAMH model the government will probably price themselves out of the market. A guy that used to deal pot could easily undercut the government. And now that the product is legal, one wouldn't expect such vigorous enforcement of dealing with people who produce black market pot. It certainly wouldn't be a criminal offence, The guy from CAMH even talked about the same social responsibility BS (regarding pricing) that those of his ilk always go to when talking about alcohol. If I knew a guy that sold black market scotch I'd buy from him and not the LCBO. Edited October 10, 2014 by Boges Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 They want the LCBO model so they can control distribution and pricing. I doubt in CAMH's world anyone would be allowed to grow their own. They don't like the Colorado model, they want the government to control every aspect of the pot business. The reason CAMH is calling for this is because in the defacto decriminalization world we live in now people can get pot however they want. C'mon you GD well if there isn't government control that Harper would roll out another round of his dumbass attack ads telling us how JT wants to sell pot to our kids. Ergo you could put the blame for your complaint right at Harpers feet. Quote
Boges Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 C'mon you GD well if there isn't government control that Harper would roll out another round of his dumbass attack ads telling us how JT wants to sell pot to our kids. Ergo you could put the blame for your complaint right at Harpers feet. Like the LCBO does? They'd put High Times out of business with the nice glossy magazine sold at the the check out of these new luxurious Pot stores. Think of all the radio ads they'll air. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 It certainly wouldn't be a criminal offence,Why so certain? If I knew a guy that sold black market scotch I'd buy from him and not the LCBO.But that's a criminal offence. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) Why so certain? OK even if it is, those guys don't seem so concerned about being charged for pedalling their illegal substance now. Once is becomes legal, they'll only be emboldened to undercut the government price. Competition! We see it with black market tobacco. But that's a criminal offence. Just like buying pot is right now. Doesn't seem to stop anyone. Edited October 10, 2014 by Boges Quote
PIK Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 As opposed to now? It would be better , no doubt about that. Of course ! Takes the obscene profits out of the picture. The whole idea of legallizing drugs is the get the profit...ergo the criminal aspect , out of the way. Then the WoD can end and that money earlarked can do better things. You seem confused. You want it illegal, ergo the guy down the street....but you want a few plants to be able to grow it. Yikes pik...figure it out. It is call decriminalization. Not legalization. And if you listen to what they say ,they will tell you what you can buy and how much and how strong. More rules and regulation that people will not want. And to think people will not still sell it, cheaper and better then the government, is crazy. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
BubberMiley Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Just like buying pot is right now. Doesn't seem to stop anyone.So your point is that making pot legal will make no difference because nobody pays attention to the laws anyway? Is that the case in Colorado and Washington? Not that I've seen. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted October 10, 2014 Report Posted October 10, 2014 Is that the case in Colorado and Washington? Not that I've seen. CAMH doesn't like the models there. I heard it being described as a wild west model by the doctor on the radio. Quote
dre Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 Comparing alcohol sales an distribution to potential pot sales and distribution is of folly IMHO. The overhead required to make really good alcohol is huge, not so much for pot. Black Dog educated me earlier in this thread that making pot isn't the same as growing any plant, which is fine, but it still easier than making good alcohol. Home brew is not good alcohol. Its not folly at all... its about the best comparison available. And your average homegrown pot is garbage too. High THC stuff is generally grown in facilities that cost a fair bit to set up. In any case... Any steps towards any the abject failure that is criminalization are good steps. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
On Guard for Thee Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 It is call decriminalization. Not legalization. And if you listen to what they say ,they will tell you what you can buy and how much and how strong. More rules and regulation that people will not want. And to think people will not still sell it, cheaper and better then the government, is crazy. So then the best solution is to just elect JT, it will be legalized, (no waffling and hand wringing ala Harper), and then, my how the tax dollars flow in! Quote
PrimeNumber Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 You guys obviously don't know any stoners. Who wants to call a drug dealer, who may or may not pick-up his phone/text back because he's probably busy doing something other than his only job, which is selling pot. Stoners want to head to the corner store, buy a pack of 20 perfectly rolled joints, assorted by potency, just like cigarettes are, grab some slurpee's and a bag of doritos, maybe two. And some beef jerky... and maybe that pack of pretzel m&m's because they look pretty tasty. Head home and relax.There's a very small portion of pot smokers out there that will give a damn about where they get their high, they want the most convenient way possible. Which is more often than not the corner store. And if the government's growers can grow it effectively, they can undercut any and all dealers by a fair margin. Eventually the risk vs. reward becomes to low that it's not worth it and the dealer either gives up or moves on to another endeavor. It's not rocket surgery. The government can make a profit. Sure a few people will sell some homegrown stuff, but it will be nothing compared to the government license grown hydro. As long as the government makes sure the growers keep the product clean and they test it regularly it won't matter. This stuff isn't going to be grown in fields, it will be grown indoors, eliminating the need for chemicals, most likely underground.Or we can let criminal enterprises have all the profit. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
eyeball Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 Big producers use a mechanical processor that literally beats the leaves off the buds. This also knocks off a good amount of the crystals that contain a lot of the THC thereby reducing its potency and taste. The difference between carefully grown and handled pot and that which is industrially produced is like comparing Lucky beer to a finely crafted wine. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
BubberMiley Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 The difference between carefully grown and handled pot and that which is industrially produced is like comparing Lucky beer to a finely crafted wine. You should try the delicious gummi bears and disposable vapor pens in Colorado. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
PrimeNumber Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 Big producers use a mechanical processor that literally beats the leaves off the buds. This also knocks off a good amount of the crystals that contain a lot of the THC thereby reducing its potency and taste. The difference between carefully grown and handled pot and that which is industrially produced is like comparing Lucky beer to a finely crafted wine. The majority of consumers of weed don't care as long as it's cheap. Connoisseur's of marjiuana are about as plentyful as Connoisseurs of finely crafted wine, sure they're are a lot of them. But there are more alcoholics and twenty somethings who just want some cheap Lucky Lager to get them by for the night. There is a market for both, though the big guys will go for the twenty somethings who don't care where its from as long as it's easy to obtain and can be bought at 3am from the 7-11 down the street while the specialty smoke shop downtown is closed. Where as smaller producers will sell their finely crafted bud in the numerous specialized smoke shops downtown. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Boges Posted October 13, 2014 Report Posted October 13, 2014 You guys obviously don't know any stoners. Who wants to call a drug dealer, who may or may not pick-up his phone/text back because he's probably busy doing something other than his only job, which is selling pot. Stoners want to head to the corner store, buy a pack of 20 perfectly rolled joints, assorted by potency, just like cigarettes are, grab some slurpee's and a bag of doritos, maybe two. And some beef jerky... and maybe that pack of pretzel m&m's because they look pretty tasty. Head home and relax. There's a very small portion of pot smokers out there that will give a damn about where they get their high, they want the most convenient way possible. Which is more often than not the corner store. And if the government's growers can grow it effectively, they can undercut any and all dealers by a fair margin. Eventually the risk vs. reward becomes to low that it's not worth it and the dealer either gives up or moves on to another endeavor. It's not rocket surgery. The government can make a profit. Sure a few people will sell some homegrown stuff, but it will be nothing compared to the government license grown hydro. As long as the government makes sure the growers keep the product clean and they test it regularly it won't matter. This stuff isn't going to be grown in fields, it will be grown indoors, eliminating the need for chemicals, most likely underground. Or we can let criminal enterprises have all the profit. The CAMH plan wouldn't have that as an option. They want the Ontario liqour model where you have to go a government owned dispensary at set hours. People seem to like what's going on in Colorado. Fat chance that ever happens in Canada. Quote
PIK Posted October 14, 2014 Report Posted October 14, 2014 So then the best solution is to just elect JT, it will be legalized, (no waffling and hand wringing ala Harper), and then, my how the tax dollars flow in!If trudeau wins and goes for it,it would be yrs before that happened. So really it is not going to happen. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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