Explosions at the Boston Marathon

[Je suis Omar]

Posts like these cannot be taken seriously. I sure don't.

Yes, I have noticed that you tend to relish in your ignorance, (non pejorative sense, of course).

[Je suis Omar]

What he had going against him was that his guilt is admitted and thus beyond the shadow of a doubt. While juries are supposed to apply a reasonable doubt standard my view is that in capital cases they go further, to "shadow of a doubt."

Reagan admitted, in fact, he positively glowed in the fact that the Contras, the equivalent of the Founding Fathers, Reagan often said, were his creation. Have you ever heard of Hitler exalting in the fact that he was murdering innocents? That's what Reagan was doing, and of course he wasn't the only one - Bush senior was and is every bit as deeply evil as Reagan.

Hitler and the Nazis have largely been established as the gold standard of evil by the USA. It's all been propaganda to hide the fact that the USA is, at the least, their equal.

It's the height of hypocrisy for the USA to be trying anyone for anything of this nature. Measure the slaughter of innocents from just one USA event compared to this, by contrast, relatively insignificant event and the hypocrisy is glaring.

Edited May 16, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[Shady]

On the contrary, Shady, USA war crimes and terrorism have been much worse for the simple fact that the USA has hidden behind a two centuries long lying facade that it is a force for good, the saviour of the oppressed.

Not the slightest bit of truth in that.

Nope. China and Japan were committing war crimes when America was still in diapers!

[Je suis Omar]

What he had going against him was that his guilt is admitted and thus beyond the shadow of a doubt. While juries are supposed to apply a reasonable doubt standard my view is that in capital cases they go further, to "shadow of a doubt."

I'm puzzled why thinking folk would continue to raise this. Everyone knows that confessions obtained thru torture are not admissible.

And what is this about "juries"? In a US military kangaroo court?!

The same war criminals who illegally invaded Afghanistan?!!

In an American established gulag, that sits on land that these same aforementioned war criminals and terrorists stole from Cuba??!!?

This is more Kafkaesque than what Franz Kafka wrote himself.

[Je suis Omar]

Nope. China and Japan were committing war crimes when America was still in diapers!

It's time for you to produce something that you don't know exists, Shady. That would be a source (look it up in a dictionary) to back up your ludicrous notion.

[eyeball]

What he had going against him was that his guilt is admitted and thus beyond the shadow of a doubt. While juries are supposed to apply a reasonable doubt standard my view is that in capital cases they go further, to "shadow of a doubt."

So you're saying Omar Khadr's word is gold and he can be trusted. Now he says he only told his torturers what they wanted to hear so he could be free of them.

Which seems likelier? That he's telling the truth or telling the truth?

[Shady]

It's time for you to produce something that you don't know exists, Shady. That would be a source (look it up in a dictionary) to back up your ludicrous notion.

Everyone's heard of the Bataan death march.

[Boges]

Everyone's heard of the Bataan death march.

See that was cool because everyone knows the US Garrison in the Philippines was a symbol of Imperial suffering. Now when Japan ruled it was sunshine and unicorns. You should brush up on history Shady.

Edited May 16, 2015 by Boges

[Michael Hardner]

Helping out with a reference http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

[jbg]

I'm puzzled why thinking folk would continue to raise this. Everyone knows that confessions obtained thru torture are not admissible.

What proof do you have that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was tortured?

And what is this about "juries"? In a US military kangaroo court?!

Just making scurrilous, overblown and hyperbolas accusations don't make them true. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was tried in a U.S. civilian District Court and not in a military court. Either you know that and are deliberately misstating or are making statements before checking them out.

In an American established gulag, that sits on land that these same aforementioned war criminals and terrorists stole from Cuba??!!?

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in not being held on Guantanamo. And the U.S. hardly stole Guantanamo from Cuba. The U.S. drove the Spaniards out and promptly gave Cuba its independence. They retained a base. That is not "stealing" land.

This is more Kafkaesque than what Franz Kafka wrote himself.

What is? A trial by jury where the Defendant admits his part in the bombing.

[Argus]

Posts like these cannot be taken seriously. I sure don't.

Stop talking to him and he'll go away.

[Argus]

Helping out with a reference http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

How is this "helping out" unless you mean helping to drag the conversation away from the Boston bombing to YET ANOTHER refrain of evil American historical crimes?

[GostHacked]

Nope. China and Japan were committing war crimes when America was still in diapers!

The US has had a couple centuries to catch up. And catch up they did.

[GostHacked]

What proof do you have that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was tortured?

Just making scurrilous, overblown and hyperbolas accusations don't make them true. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was tried in a U.S. civilian District Court and not in a military court. Either you know that and are deliberately misstating or are making statements before checking them out.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in not being held on Guantanamo. And the U.S. hardly stole Guantanamo from Cuba. The U.S. drove the Spaniards out and promptly gave Cuba its independence. They retained a base. That is not "stealing" land.

What is? A trial by jury where the Defendant admits his part in the bombing.

And yet only recently has the US changed it's views on the boycotting of Cuba. Some independence! While the CIA operated media that was attempting to coerce Cubans for whatever reason. GITMO gets around international conventions, and even US law.

But if Tsarnev can be tried in a civil court, ALL acts of terrorism should be tried in the US civil court. Consistency is key to maintain even a modicum of integrity.

[Shady]

The US has had a couple centuries to catch up. And catch up they did.

And yet only recently has the US changed it's views on the boycotting of Cuba. Some independence! While the CIA operated media that was attempting to coerce Cubans for whatever reason. GITMO gets around international conventions, and even US law.

But if Tsarnev can be tried in a civil court, ALL acts of terrorism should be tried in the US civil court. Consistency is key to maintain even a modicum of integrity.

The U.S. hasn't changed its views. Some have, some haven't. What's more important is that the Cuban regime changes their view. And starts affording its citizens the same rights that we enjoy.

[kimmy]

But if Tsarnev can be tried in a civil court, ALL acts of terrorism should be tried in the US civil court. Consistency is key to maintain even a modicum of integrity.

The circumstances made trial in a civilian court the only acceptable choice. Those circumstances aren't applicable in every trial of a terrorist.

-k

[Je suis Omar]

The circumstances made trial in a civilian court the only acceptable choice. Those circumstances aren't applicable in every trial of a terrorist.

-k

Why?

And why, Kimmy?

[Je suis Omar]

The U.S. hasn't changed its views. Some have, some haven't. What's more important is that the Cuban regime changes their view. And starts affording its citizens the same rights that we enjoy.

What rights might those be? To be free from a century plus of USA terrorism?

Cuba in the Cross-Hairs: A Near Half-Century of Terror

Noam Chomsky

Excerpted from Hegemony or Survival, Metropolitan Books, 2003

The Batista dictatorship was overthrown in January 1959 by Castro's guerrilla forces. In March, the National Security Council (NSC) considered means to institute regime change. In May, the CIA began to arm guerrillas inside Cuba. "During the Winter of 1959-1960, there was a significant increase in CIA-supervised bombing and incendiary raids piloted by exiled Cubans" based in the US. We need not tarry on what the US or its clients would do under such circumstances. Cuba, however, did not respond with violent actions within the United States for revenge or deterrence. Rather, it followed the procedure required by international law. In July 1960, Cuba called on the UN for help, providing the Security Council with records of some twenty bombings, including names of pilots, plane registration numbers, unexploded bombs, and other specific details, alleging considerable damage and casualties and calling for resolution of the conflict through diplomatic channels. US Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge responded by giving his "assurance [that] the United States has no aggressive purpose against Cuba." Four months before, in March 1960, his government had made a formal decision in secret to overthrow the Castro government, and preparations for the Bay of Pigs invasion were well advanced.

Washington was concerned that Cubans might try to defend themselves. CIA chief Allen Dulles therefore urged Britain not to provide arms to Cuba. His "main reason," the British ambassador reported to London, "was that this might lead the Cubans to ask for Soviet or Soviet bloc arms," a move that "would have a tremendous effect," Dulles pointed out, allowing Washington to portray Cuba as a security threat to the hemisphere, following the script that had worked so well in Guatemala. Dulles was referring to Washington's successful demolition of Guatemala's first democratic experiment, a ten-year interlude of hope and progress, greatly feared in Washington because of the enormous popular support reported by US intelligence and the "demonstration effect" of social and economic measures to benefit the large majority. The Soviet threat was routinely invoked, abetted by Guatemala's appeal to the Soviet bloc for arms after the US had threatened attack and cut off other sources of supply. The result was a half-century of horror, even worse than the US-backed tyranny that came before.

...

http://www.chomsky.info/books/hegemony02.htm

[Shady]

What rights might those be? To be free from a century plus of USA terrorism?

The Cuban regime needs to respect the human rights of the Cuban people. Freedom of speech, etc.

[jbg]

The circumstances made trial in a civilian court the only acceptable choice. Those circumstances aren't applicable in every trial of a terrorist.

-k

Mostly, he committed the crime on U.S. soil, and not a military base. There were no grounds for a military trial.

[GostHacked]

The U.S. hasn't changed its views. Some have, some haven't. What's more important is that the Cuban regime changes their view. And starts affording its citizens the same rights that we enjoy.

How about the trade embargo the US has put on Cuba since 1958? Important to note that Clinton continued and expanded some of those trade embargos in the early 2000s. Wonder if the Bay of Pigs incident had anything to do with Cuba going to socialism/marxism. Nah.

[Je suis Omar]

The Cuban regime needs to respect the human rights of the Cuban people. Freedom of speech, etc.

Do you mean in the same manner that the USA terrorist regime did for the 61 years where, after making a huge pretense that the USA was saving the Cuban people from Spanish oppression, tyrannized them and oppressed them further until 1959? Stole all their wealth and kept them as slaves and prostitutes?

You really have to know some history before you attempt to discuss these issues.

[Boges]

And, of course, Cuba has a lot to do with two brothers blowing up long distance runners.

Edited May 20, 2015 by Boges

[dre]

The Cuban regime needs to respect the human rights of the Cuban people. Freedom of speech, etc.

At least the Cuban regime has been moving in the right direction. Do you support the same litmus test for the many dozens of other perrenial human rights abusers or undemocratic nations that the US has normalized relations with? China, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, etc, etc, etc?

[Je suis Omar]

And, of course, Cuba has a lot to do with two brothers blowing up long distance runners.

Only indirectly, Boges, but one would have to know some history to understand the connections.

Certainly, USA terrorism around the world has a great deal to do with what happened in Boston.