US dead last in health care

WestCoastRunner · June 18, 2014

I disagree. A poster doesn't have to reply to every post in the thread. The fact that it was ignored tells us just as much, if not more than many of the replies already in the thread.

Of course they don't have to reply to every post. However, they are contributing blindly when they are not aware of the other relevant information posted in the thread.

cybercoma · June 18, 2014

He can still read the posts. The ignore feature is entirely useless. He can see the posts when someone else quotes them and he can click not he posts himself to read them. Announcing that he has people on ignore is nothing more than a silly exercise in creating appearances.

bush_cheney2004 · June 18, 2014

He can still read the posts. The ignore feature is entirely useless. He can see the posts when someone else quotes them and he can click not he posts himself to read them. Announcing that he has people on ignore is nothing more than a silly exercise in creating appearances.

Wrong...."he" can still avoid a lot of hate and clutter that is not quoted....it works quite well. Those members who insist on nasty personal attacks can no longer waste my time or slime this forum with their hate.

Enough of this derail...back to the discussion!

Edited June 18, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

waldo · June 18, 2014

Wrong...."he" can still avoid a lot of hate and clutter that is not quoted....it works quite well. Those members who insist on nasty personal attacks can no longer waste my time or slime this forum with their hate.

sorry, your continued haters hatin routine isn't working! How is it that 'suddenly' anyone referring to you as a 'xxxxx' is attacking you... a "nasty personal attack" you say? Weren't you the guy who previously acknowledged his "xxxxx" act, championed his "xxxxxxxx" presence, his 'xxxxxxxx' prowess? Weren't you that guy? And now it's an attack? What's changed so?

Enough of this derail...back to the discussion!

you mean back to the other derail... the wait-time derail? That one?

guyser · June 18, 2014

The National Health Service has been praised as the world's best health-care system by an international panel of experts who said it was superior to those found in countries which spend far more on health.

The study, entitled “Mirror, Mirror on the Wall,” also described US healthcare provision as the worst globally. Despite investing the most money in health, the US refuses care to many patients without health insurance and is also the worst at saving the lives of people who fall ill, it found.

The Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based foundation produced the report. The fund is respected around the world for its analysis of the performance of different countries' health systems. It examined 11 countries, including detailed data from patients, doctors and the World Health Organisation, the Guardian reported.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/10907823/Britains-NHS-is-the-worlds-best-health-care-system-says-report.html

bush_cheney2004 · June 20, 2014

Canadian family doesn't care about health care rankings....seeks leukemia treatment for daughter in "dead last" USA:

...Anya Martinez is a six-year-old girl from Ancaster, Ont. who has been fighting cancer for most of her young life. She’s endured two bouts of leukemia and forced it into remission.

But now the cancer is back, and Anya's best hope of survival is a procedure stateside that will cost at least $500,000 — a hefty amount for any family to raise.

...“When the doctors in Canada tell you there’s nothing else they can do, you get into survival mode.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/ancaster-girl-6-tries-to-get-to-u-s-for-experimental-cancer-trial-1.2681383

PIK · June 20, 2014

No thanks.....the U.S. spends more and gets more in the way of less wait time, much better diagnostic imaging, better cancer survival, etc. Playing the "Canada is Best" health care game once again:

1. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers

2. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.

3. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.

4. Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.

5. Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians.

6. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom.

7. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed.

8. Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians.

9. Americans have better access to important new technologies such as medical imaging than do patients in Canada or Britain.

10. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.

http://winteryknight...-united-states/

Just for extra credit, more Canadians seek health care in the U.S. than do Americans going to Canada, and the U.S. has ten times the population. This is because many Canadians with the means to do so travel out of province to avoid agonizing wait times. Several provinces routinely send Canadian patients to the U.S. because of lacking facilities and or available health care professionals.

If you can afford it.

guyser · June 20, 2014

No surprise, look what our resident ***** leaves out.

.....cover the experimental therapy,.....

Good thing her parents will pay, cuz ...ya know...that cubicle lackey with his grade ten education would deny it to his fellow citizens.

Cubicle lackey deciding. How quaint. And yup....dead last.

bush_cheney2004 · June 20, 2014

If you can afford it.

Yes....I can, and so can a majority of Americans with untaxed health care insurance employment benefits. That's also why American & Canadian pets can get faster treatment than Canadian patients waiting for the universal health care genie to grant them a wish...eventually, even though they have already paid for it with their taxes. The pet owners are willing to pay....right now...without hesitation. It is no surprise that a well financed, for-profit health care enterprise can provide great service !

Edited June 20, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

waldo · June 20, 2014

No surprise, look what our resident ***** leaves out.

.....cover the experimental therapy,.....

Good thing her parents will pay, cuz ...ya know...that cubicle lackey with his grade ten education would deny it to his fellow citizens.

Cubicle lackey deciding. How quaint. And yup....dead last.

no kidding! I'd really be interested in what insurance companies in the U.S. would be covering that same experimental undertaking... one that, as I read, has the two active/leading organizations involved directly with pharmaceutical companies in clinical trials; and that depending on trial results, estimates of possible therapies might become available as early as 2016 or as late as 2020.

if the deflecting guy's point is to highlight that the U.S. is involved in a leading technological pursuit, no single country has a monopoly on advanced medical research. This threads OP study reference makes a pointed note of the U.S. involvement in various world-leading undertakings, most particularly cancer focused... other countries have other specializations. Yes, the OP article (being ignored by the deflector) highlights those leading areas of U.S. involvement... while it also finds for an overall comparative American disadvantage in health care/outcomes - "dead last"!

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guyser · June 20, 2014

I'd really be interested in what insurance companies in the U.S. would be covering that same experimental undertaking...

Absolutely none would cover it.

If some other country was doing this, Americans would jump to go out of the country joining the millions that already do .

Hal 9000 · June 22, 2014

Given the option, I'd take the US Medical system and tax policy over the Canadian medical and tax policy. As a Canadian, I know we are just pretending when we say "medical is free".

On Guard for Thee · June 22, 2014

Given the option, I'd take the US Medical system and tax policy over the Canadian medical and tax policy. As a Canadian, I know we are just pretending when we say "medical is free".

Who was ever stupid enough to say it was free?

Smallc · June 22, 2014

No kidding. I'm pretty sure that most of us, and at least everyone here, understands that our system is bought and paid for.

monty16 · June 22, 2014

Given the option, I'd take the US Medical system and tax policy over the Canadian medical and tax policy. As a Canadian, I know we are just pretending when we say "medical is free".

If only we could make traitors pay for running off at the mouth, when they are in need of affordable health care. Send them to the US and tell them to ask the Fraser institute to pay the bill!

bush_cheney2004 · June 22, 2014

If only we could make traitors pay for running off at the mouth, when they are in need of affordable health care. Send them to the US and tell them to ask the Fraser institute to pay the bill!

They already go to the U.S., including high visibility defections by Chretien, Williams, and Stronach. Cash or charge ?

On Guard for Thee · June 22, 2014

No kidding. I'm pretty sure that most of us, and at least everyone here, understands that our system is bought and paid for.

Yeah I know a couple of Doctors and they seem to be getting paid. At least judging by the cars they drive.

cybercoma · June 22, 2014

No kidding. I'm pretty sure that most of us, and at least everyone here, understands that our system is bought and paid for.

and when people do say free they mean no out of pocket costs. "I can see a doctor for free" simply means you don't pay out of pocket to visit the doctor. Edited June 22, 2014 by cybercoma

cybercoma · June 22, 2014

They already go to the U.S., including high visibility defections by Chretien, Williams, and Stronach. Cash or charge ?

And Americans go to Mexico for healthcare because it's cheaper. Cash or charge indeed.

On Guard for Thee · June 22, 2014

Not to mention Cuba. Just ask Micheal Moore. And you can grab a box of Cohiba panatellas pretty reasonable while you're at it.

bush_cheney2004 · June 22, 2014

And Americans go to Mexico for healthcare because it's cheaper. Cash or charge indeed.

As well they should, because the false promise of "free, universal health care" is just that. Canadians pay to get access to a wait list whether they want to or not.

On Guard for Thee · June 22, 2014

As well they should, because the false promise of "free, universal health care" is just that. Canadians pay to get access to a wait list whether they want to or not.

Once again, nobody is stupid enough to think Canadian health care is free. Certainly no Canadians, but then there are those "others" that seem not to ever get it.

monty16 · June 22, 2014

The Canadian health care system can be improved upon and will likely but not under a Conservative government. Regardless of the image the Conservatives want to portray, they are not in favour of continuing with universal health care for all Canadians. The Fraser Institute doesn't pretend and speaks loudly for the Conservatives.

As for the US health care system, there's little need for any of us to criticize it. It's known throughout the world, as well as in the US as a failure. And it's certainly not just the Democrat side that knows that.

Bryan · June 22, 2014

As well they should, because the false promise of "free, universal health care" is just that. Canadians pay to get access to a wait list whether they want to or not.

I've never seen one of these wait lists. I get the care I need when I need it, period.

Regardless of the image the Conservatives want to portray, they are not in favour of continuing with universal health care for all Canadians. The Fraser Institute doesn't pretend and speaks loudly for the Conservatives.

And yet, the funding for healthcare has been greatly expanded under the Conservatives. The previous Liberals were the ones who cut funding.

monty16 · June 22, 2014

All Canadians get health care in a timely manner. Waiting times can serve a useful purpose as long as they are applied in a discriminating manner.

In fact the funding for health care has not been expanded by the Conservatives in a 'net' effect way. In any case, the Fraser Institute is opposed to universal health care and that's not debatable. If you think it is then try to debate it.

And neither is it debatable that the Conservatives are fully supportive of the Fraser Institute.

And why would any conservative not want to accept those facts? (conservative small c) Is it not abundantly clear that the right in both Canada and the US are adamantly opposed to universal health care? Do conservatives want to try to divorce themselves from their own declared agenda?