Will you reconsider traveling to the USA?

[Wilber]

I think the golf courses are still pretty safe so we're going.

[Guest American Woman]

Mind the rules:

How is his observation against the rules? When considering if it's safe to travel to the U.S., wouldn't the statistics regarding Canadians who do travel here - more than the other way around - be something to think about? Obviously they aren't afraid, they aren't being murdered, so it just could be something to think about, no?

At any rate, as guyser has already pointed out, the number of mass shootings in the U.S. has gone down since the peak in 1929. Of course some years have been worse than others since then, it was more prominent in the 80's and 90's, but since 2000 it's gone down. As has also been pointed out, most gun deaths are committed by someone the victim knows. So really, all of this talk about the U.S culture going to hell in a hand basket - and the idea that it just might not be safe to travel here any more - is just an uninformed, heat-of-the-moment reaction. If one is truly that afraid for their life, one must be sure to avoid thunder storms.

Edited December 16, 2012 by American Woman

[betsy]

Are we being smug just because we haven't got a repeat of the Ecole Polytech in a long while? Or the Pig Farm?

Considering the population of the USA compared to us....do we really have anything to be smug about? How many serial killers have we had compared to the USA? How many serial murders being tracked at this very moment?

We've got our own share of loonies!

Safe place? You walking to do your grocery in BC and you suddenly get knifed.... by a naked man to boot!

What about the shootings in Toronto? Montreal?

What about in Alberta(?) - people getting shot while they're in their homes? A child died, remember?

Wanna do a reverse poll on specific places in Canada? Ask Canadians what city in Canada they'd want to avoid.

Edited December 16, 2012 by betsy

[betsy]

Mind the rules:

What trolling are you talking about? Bush Cheney got a valid point! Address it, or ignore it - but don't censor him!

You've got no place in a forum if you can't deal with arguments you don't know how to answer....and all you can muster is scream, "TROLLING!"

Do not post inflammatory remarks just to annoy people. If you are not bringing anything new to the argument, then do not say anything at all.

Some messages are not so much offensive as simply nuisance value.

I find your attempt at censureship annoying, and that you didn't even squeak anything to address the point that Cheney brought to the argument. You got me wasting my time lecturing to you because of the nuisance value of that post you made. Guess who's the troll!

Deal with the message....not the messenger. That's another rule.

Edited December 16, 2012 by betsy

[betsy]

With all the lunatics in the world, I'd feel a whole lot safer travelling to the USA, to tell you the truth. If you happen to get caught in any violent situations in the US - being at the wrong place at the wrong time - then you've got something in common with those who got hit by lightning.

[Moonlight Graham]

How is his observation against the rules? When considering if it's safe to travel to the U.S., wouldn't the statistics regarding Canadians who do travel here - more than the other way around - be something to think about?

Because he's a troll and it's the 5000th time he's said the same thing and will do so at any opportunity just he can try to get people riled up.

[Moonlight Graham]

What trolling are you talking about? Bush Cheney got a valid point! Address it, or ignore it - but don't censor him!

You've got no place in a forum if you can't deal with arguments you don't know how to answer....and all you can muster is scream, "TROLLING!"

I find your attempt at censureship annoying, and that you didn't even squeak anything to address the point that Cheney brought to the argument. You got me wasting my time lecturing to you because of the nuisance value of that post you made. Guess who's the troll!

Deal with the message....not the messenger. That's another rule.

See my reply to AW.

Also interesting you'll reply to me about this but you'll ignore a large number of my replies to your posts challening you on your religious claims (about homosexuals and whatnot).

Edited December 16, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[betsy]

See my reply to AW.

Also interesting you'll reply to me about this but you'll ignore a large number of my replies to your posts challening you on your religious claims (about homosexuals and whatnot).

Because your replies are just a repeated rehash of the same nonsense - that's why! Anyway, we're here in another section! So get with the game and stop bringing an out-of-topic subject here. That's another rule! Golly....you're breaking rules left and right! and center, with impunity!

Of course I'll reply to this since I don't particularly like the way you're trying to censor what I read on this forum! Cheney's reply is not solely for you alone, you know.

Now back to the topic. Adrress Cheney's argument....or zip it!

Edited December 16, 2012 by betsy

[Shady]

Because he's a troll and it's the 5000th time he's said the same thing and will do so at any opportunity just he can try to get people riled up.

Put him on ignore than. Because quoting rules that don't apply to what he said is meaningless. You're embarassing yourself.

[Moonlight Graham]

Now back to the topic. Adrress Cheney's argument....or zip it!

Actually I'll go ahead and do or say exactly what I want, thank you very much. Stop trying to censor me

[Moonlight Graham]

Put him on ignore than.

I have long ago, but I can't ignore when he's quoted in other posts.

You're embarassing yourself.

[betsy]

Actually I'll go ahead and do or say exactly what I want, thank you very much. Stop trying to censor me

I'm not trying to censor you. I'm only trying to save you from.........yourself.

Okay, ignore button don't do the trick for you? Do as I do. Scroll down fast! OR, switch to selective seeing mode. Anything you don't want would look blurred, believe me.

[Guest American Woman]

Shady, on 16 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said: Put him on ignore than.

I have long ago, but I can't ignore when he's quoted in other posts.

But ..... he wasn't quoted in any other posts.

[Shady]

But ..... he wasn't quoted in any other posts.

LOL!

[Moonlight Graham]

Ladies and gentleman of MLW, may I present to you the members of the "Alienated Fraternity of BC Defenders" (AFBD):

Shady: Most MLW'ers disagree with him consistently, so must defend BC because he's a fellow American conservative

AW: Fellow American apologist

Betsy: Persecuted Christian of MLW, therefore must defend BC because he's a God-believer who doesn't challenge her theism (at least last time I checked).

JOIN AFBD TODAY!

Funny, I guess when you accuse a fellow AFBD member of being a troll, all swarm to their defense! Be wary my fellow MLW'ers.

[Shady]

Ladies and gentleman of MLW, may I present to you the members of the "Alienated Fraternity of BC Defenders" (AFBD):

Shady: Most MLW'ers disagree with him consistently, so must defend BC because he's a fellow American conservative

AW: Fellow American apologist

Betsy: Persecuted Christian of MLW, therefore must defend BC because he's a God-believer who doesn't challenge her theism (at least last time I checked).

JOIN AFBD TODAY!

Funny, I guess when you accuse a fellow AFBD member of being a troll, all swarm to their defense! Be wary my fellow MLW'ers.

Or.....you could just be completely wrong. Ever thought of that?

Anyways, it's funny watching somebody with a gay Jesus picture pretend to be so worried about trolls. Oh the irony.

[Guest American Woman]

Ladies and gentleman of MLW, may I present to you the members of the "Alienated Fraternity of BC Defenders" (AFBD):

Shady: Most MLW'ers disagree with him consistently, so must defend BC because he's a fellow American conservative

AW: Fellow American apologist

Betsy: Persecuted Christian of MLW, therefore must defend BC because he's a God-believer who doesn't challenge her theism (at least last time I checked).

JOIN AFBD TODAY!

Funny, I guess when you accuse a fellow AFBD member of being a troll, all swarm to their defense! Be wary my fellow MLW'ers.

That was uncalled for. What did I say that makes me an "apologist?" I spoke the truth, and rather than address the point I raised, this is what you come back with - a personal attack.

Edited December 16, 2012 by American Woman

[The_Squid]

That was uncalled for. What did I say that makes me an "apologist?" I spoke the truth, and rather than address the point I raised, this is what you come back with - a personal attack.

No, it was a funny post and absolutely true.

[Shady]

No, it was a funny post and absolutely true.

Really? So you think the post he referred to as against forum rules is actually against forum rules?

[The_Squid]

Really? So you think the post he referred to as against forum rules is actually against forum rules?

I think the 4 amigos here are trolls and look like clowns when they post the same thing over and over and over without actually participating in the actual conversation.

[Shady]

I think the 4 amigos here are trolls and look like clowns when they post the same thing over and over and over without actually participating in the actual conversation.

That's all well and good, but do you think that the specific post in question is against forum rules?

[betsy]

Betsy: Persecuted Christian of MLW, therefore must defend BC because he's a God-believer who doesn't challenge her theism (at least last time I checked).

Isn't Cheney a pagan???? I thought he said he is a pagan? Well....if he is a God-believer, I obviously misunderstood him.

A lot of people here don't challenge my theism! There's only a handful of you who challenge and gravitate around me like a rotten halo and you all suck with your dysfunctional reasonings. Just look at you now.

Anyway, I'm defending everyone's right. Just because you don't know how to answer Cheney's argument, you want to button him up.

Like I said....you're stepping on my rights as well. You're controlling what I read. Why should we bow down to your censorship?

Especially when it comes from someone who has nothing substantial to say....often times. You're notoriously hit-and-run. You avoid direct rebutts. Your method is usually duck-and-hide....and with Cheney here, you cry 'Trolling!" Another ducking procedure. I should call you Donald.

Edited December 16, 2012 by betsy

[WWWTT]

I'm not trying to censor you. I'm only trying to save you from.........yourself.

Man that's freekin funny!!!

I'm sure MG appreciates it!

WWWTT

[BC_chick]

No, it was a funny post and absolutely true.

Count me in on that sentiment.

[WWWTT]

Isn't Cheney a pagan???? I thought he said he is a pagan? Well....if he is a God-believer, I obviously misunderstood him.

Anyway, I'm defending everyone's right. Just because you don't know how to answer Cheney's argument, you want to button him up.

Like I said....you're stepping on my rights as well. You're controlling what I read. Why should we bow down to your censorship?

Do you really believe MG can censor what you read?

I do not believe that MG can remove any posts that someone may make here.

WWWTT