Imigratrion officials doing their jobs...finally some might say.

[Guest Peeves]

Finally I'm believing we are vetting our refugee claimants and charging th crooks.

Dozens of Romanian nationals suspected to be part of human smuggling ring

OTTAWA - Five groups of recently arrived Romanian nationals are suspected by Canadian border officials of being part of a human smuggling ring.

Eighty-five people who came in Canada over the last few months have now been classified as "irregular arrivals."

Forty have been arrested under newly enacted immigration laws that allow for the mandatory detention of those suspected to have arrived in Canada via smugglers.

The others couldn't be detained either because they were too young or came to Canada before the new laws went into effect in June.

Officials are expected to release more details about the suspected smuggling operation later today.

The designation of irregular arrival means that the individuals can't apply for permanent residence status for at least five years or sponsor their families to come to Canada during that time.

http://ca.news.yahoo...-161941805.html

Hearing through the last year of the number of Roma landing then going back to Hungary and the costs associated should bother all Canucks AND legitimate immigrants in queue.

These cheats were allowed in too easily over past governing agencies.

I still think there's abuse of our refugee claimants.

The appeal system stinks too. Staying here for years after an order of deportation stinks.

So does allowing in certain families that were obviously never vetted, like the one just sentenced to "life" with the right to appeal after 15 years...PffffffffT~

[Argus]

Don't get too excited. The courts will almost certainly free them all, and they'll all disapear before ever getting a hearing, to turn up at your doorstep offering to reshingle your roof with crappy shingles someone threw out last year top quality 25 year shingles.

Edited December 5, 2012 by Argus

[Fletch 27]

It's nice to see Jason Kenneys legislation working. Finally, an immigration minister who understands immigration.

[PIK]

Not to long ago, everyone would be allowed in.

[eyeball]

Given how we let corporations run around the planet like they own the place, it's unconscionable that we would try to limit the movement of human beings. I mean, we are people too after all.

[gunrutz]

Given how we let corporations run around the planet like they own the place, it's unconscionable that we would try to limit the movement of human beings. I mean, we are people too after all.

Sigh

[guyser]

Not to long ago, everyone would be allowed in.

Yup now they let more in.

[Boges]

Given how we let corporations run around the planet like they own the place, it's unconscionable that we would try to limit the movement of human beings. I mean, we are people too after all.

Yeah Eff borders! I would love to go the the US and buy alcohol and not have to pay duties. I think the problem here is that these people claim refugee status and benefit from government services and taxpayers have to foot the bill for their scam.

[Guest Peeves]

Given how we let corporations run around the planet like they own the place, it's unconscionable that we would try to limit the movement of human beings. I mean, we are people too after all.

Funny, I never would have expected that concise and yet gobeldygook. It was a real eye opener.

[Argus]

Given how we let corporations run around the planet like they own the place, it's unconscionable that we would try to limit the movement of human beings. I mean, we are people too after all.

We're not the SAME people.

I would, however, allow in all attractive young women. That way we could have more children born here and need less immigration.

See? You use the issue to solve itself.

Edited December 8, 2012 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

Funny, I never would have expected that concise and yet gobeldygook. It was a real eye opener.

Maybe this incident is similar to when I saw Judge Napolitano on The Daily Show - a man whose beliefs are very different from mine. And yet, when he talked about his support of Open Borders it rang true. He's a Libertarian and I applaud his consistency in insisting that countries compete for labour too, not just for companies.

[-TSS-]

Anyone who supports immigration as a way to help the poor people of the world should take a lok at this:

[Michael Hardner]

That video is from numbersUSA - an anti-immigration group. The video offers no answers to poverty other than "stay home and fix your own problems".

Open borders would of course create a fair and open market for labour and would force countries in the west to face the fact that they do have a role to play in helping the poor of the world improve at a better rate than they have done.

[Topaz]

So now, the Tories is making it easier for foreign workers to work in Canada. Why? I know there's a shortage of workers but what about the 1.4 million umemployed in Canada? Is it the business can wage less and the government doesn't have to worry about theser workers drawing on EI down the road? What other country hires foreign over their own? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/immigration-minister-unveil-skilled-trades-program-085828624.html

[Guest Peeves]

So now, the Tories is making it easier for foreign workers to work in Canada. Why? I know there's a shortage of workers but what about the 1.4 million umemployed in Canada? Is it the business can wage less and the government doesn't have to worry about theser workers drawing on EI down the road? What other country hires foreign over their own? http://ca.news.yahoo...-085828624.html

If you made yourself aware of the reasons it might help with your question.

Canada is short of trades personnel. Attrition. An estimate is that due to the aging workers, 320,000 tradesmen/women are needed. The fact that Canada's birth rate equals negative population growth clearly points to the need of immigrants. Canada is giving priority to experience in areas of shortage.

Those unemployed, some physically able, don't seem to want to take some available jobs and Canada has for years had to import labor for some jobs.

"

A new federal program aims to fill the demand for tradespeople in Canada while fast tracking the immigration process for certain skilled workers.

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney announced the Federal Skilled Trades Program on Monday, which could see up to 3,000 applications from foreign workers in its first year.

“With all the huge construction projects going on and oil and gas projects…we’re talking tens of thousands of unfilled jobs, quite frankly because our high schools and our community colleges have not been producing enough tradespeople for these jobs,” Kenney told CTV’s Power Play on Monday."

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/new-federal-immigration-program-to-fill-gap-in-skilled-trades-1.1072923#ixzz2ElbTHhT9

I suggest that you use facts if you have them, to condemn the policy.

[Canuckistani]

Amazing how Canadians would rather work at Starbucks than take good jobs. We seem to have shortages in skills right across the board, yet Canadians "don't want those jobs." BS. We're not training Canadians for those jobs, lots of unemployed would love to have those jobs, but there's a skills mismatch. We find it cheaper to import people from 3rd world countries than train our own people. This deprives that poor country of a skilled person, and fills a job here that a Canadian could do to better themselves. We should have a much more effective system of skills training in place in Canada.

Look at the debacle with the coal miners. Supposedly there were no Canadians who had experience with this particular type of mining. We've had 5 years lead time on this project - plenty of time to train Canadians. And what, Chinese are born knowing how to do long wall mining? Or is it that the Chinese are willing to train their people? These miners have undercut wages in Canada, and have to pay a huge chunk of money to the facilitators who got them these jobs. Meanwhile Canadians miss out of a chance at a good job. And don't tell me that Canadians don't want those jobs - plenty of Canadians mining coal in Canada.

Edited December 11, 2012 by Canuckistani

[The_Squid]

In the case of the mine, it is a Chinese company that insists that they tried to hire Canadians and that now they need to bring in their own people...

The workers have to pay "recruitment fees", which are illegal in Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/documents-reveal-bc-coal-mine-hired-chinese-workers/article6133239/

Also, English would be the foreign language at the mine. How would they hire Canadians at this Canadian mine when English isn't spoken?

This company did not try and hire Canadians first. Their plan all along was to bring in their people so they can pay them less and not have the safety standards. If there are any complaints, send the worker back to China.

[Guest Peeves]

In the case of the mine, it is a Chinese company that insists that they tried to hire Canadians and that now they need to bring in their own people...

The workers have to pay "recruitment fees", which are illegal in Canada.

http://www.theglobea...article6133239/

Also, English would be the foreign language at the mine. How would they hire Canadians at this Canadian mine when English isn't spoken?

This company did not try and hire Canadians first. Their plan all along was to bring in their people so they can pay them less and not have the safety standards. If there are any complaints, send the worker back to China.

That example was on the news.

There certainly are scams for refugees and immigrants. That's why Kenny has cracked down. There is no doubt what so ever that Canada needs experienced trades people.

We have not been training Canadians in trades schools, and some companies have dropped their apprenticeship programs do to costs. Now Canada has been forced to deal with a problem a long time in the making. Retiring trades people have forced the issue on us now. So until there are trained Canadians, what are the alternatives?

[Guest Peeves]

Amazing how Canadians would rather work at Starbucks than take good jobs. We seem to have shortages in skills right across the board, yet Canadians "don't want those jobs." BS. We're not training Canadians for those jobs, lots of unemployed would love to have those jobs, but there's a skills mismatch. We find it cheaper to import people from 3rd world countries than train our own people. This deprives that poor country of a skilled person, and fills a job here that a Canadian could do to better themselves. We should have a much more effective system of skills training in place in Canada.

Look at the debacle with the coal miners. Supposedly there were no Canadians who had experience with this particular type of mining. We've had 5 years lead time on this project - plenty of time to train Canadians. And what, Chinese are born knowing how to do long wall mining? Or is it that the Chinese are willing to train their people? These miners have undercut wages in Canada, and have to pay a huge chunk of money to the facilitators who got them these jobs. Meanwhile Canadians miss out of a chance at a good job. And don't tell me that Canadians don't want those jobs - plenty of Canadians mining coal in Canada.

I bet the s*** will hit the fan when the duplicity of the government in the dealings that seem outrageous at initial review.

Under Canada’s temporary foreign worker program, employers have to show what efforts they have made to hire locally – before they can hire foreign workers.

HD Mining has said it was unable to find Canadians or permanent residents to do the jobs and that it complied with all aspects of the temporary foreign worker program.

The unions applied to see documents relating to HD Mining’s approved foreign workers.

The company, as well as the federal government, have objected to the scope of the unions’ request and the two sides spent five days in closed hearings on the issue.

On Friday, Justice Douglas Campbell ordered that completed application forms, along with supporting documents, be released.

Documents that had been the subject of the previous in-camera hearings were released Friday.

The court case resumes next week, when the unions are expected to seek an injunction that would prevent more foreign workers from coming to the project until the process is reviewed.

Seventeen workers have already arrived and another 60 are scheduled to arrive some time in December.

[The_Squid]

That's why Kenny has cracked down.

The federal gov't have allowed this company to do this. There is no "crack down".

A union is taking this to court to stop this.

Edited December 11, 2012 by The_Squid

[Canuckistani]

We have not been training Canadians in trades schools, and some companies have dropped their apprenticeship programs do to costs. Now Canada has been forced to deal with a problem a long time in the making. Retiring trades people have forced the issue on us now. So until there are trained Canadians, what are the alternatives?

I've been hearing that song and dance forever. This isn't a new situation We don't have skilled Canadians, we have to import them. How long are we going to continue that bs, instead of knuckling down and training Canadians? It's not until there are trained Canadians, because we're not training them. Govt and industry has dropped the ball, because it's initially cheaper to import people instead of train them here. But that deprives Canadians at a chance of a good job. Canadians first.

[Guest Peeves]

Canada unveils ‘safe country’ list.

This will reduce the numbers attempting to pull a refugee 'fast one' on Canada.

OTTAWA — Some 27 countries, most of them European, have made the federal government’s first list of so-called safe countries that normally don’t produce refugees.

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney unveiled the list Friday, noting more would be designated in the coming months.

“Designating countries is an important step towards a faster and fairer asylum system; our new policy is aimed at addressing claims coming from generally safe countries, today and in the future,” Kenney said in a statement.

“With these improvements, we are ensuring that genuine refugees fleeing persecution will receive protection more quickly, while, at the same time, failed asylum claimants from generally safe countries will be removed much faster.”

http://news.national...e-country-list/

The complete list of safe countries

• Austria

• Belgium

• Croatia

• Cyprus

• Czech Republic

• Denmark

• Estonia

• Finland

• France

• Germany

• Greece

• Hungary

• Ireland

• Italy

• Latvia

• Lithuania

• Luxembourg

• Malta

• The Netherlands

• Poland

• Portugal

• Slovak Republic

• Slovenia

• Spain

• Sweden

• United States of America

• United Kingdom

If you are from here.. . it's "Hasta la vista, baby"

[PIK]

Nobody wants to get their hands dirty anymore.

[-TSS-]

Well acording to this statistics by The Economist you in Canada should not worry too much about the quality of your immigrants.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/12/daily-chart-2

Unlike we in Finland seem to get the leftovers. However, I know the old adage: Lies, damned lies, statistics.

[Argus]

I've been hearing that song and dance forever. This isn't a new situation We don't have skilled Canadians, we have to import them. How long are we going to continue that bs, instead of knuckling down and training Canadians? It's not until there are trained Canadians, because we're not training them. Govt and industry has dropped the ball, because it's initially cheaper to import people instead of train them here. But that deprives Canadians at a chance of a good job. Canadians first.

Industry has no interest in training Canadians. It has no interest in trained Canadians. In fact, they're a nuisance which requires them to be very clever about how they write the job descriptions and where and for how long they can put out the want ads for the minimum possible time to guarantee the minimum possible response. Industry wants slaves. It wants cheap labour from the third world, labour which will jump when told, work unpaid overtime, and never complain.