Omar is back

[jacee]

I find it interesting you'd use Omar's own words as 'proof' he was forced to go on high adventure with his father. Let's ask Manson if he was framed by 'whitey' while were at it.

That's just Omar's perspective.

The "proof" is his age: He was a minor child under parental control.

No further "proof" is needed.

[DogOnPorch]

That's just Omar's perspective.

The "proof" is his age: He was a minor child under parental control.

No further "proof" is needed.

That works only in the West. Coming of age is a lot different in places like Waziristan. Girls can be married at ages we'd call way too young.

[Black Dog]

Proof was not provided. A statement by Khadr was provided.

So what, in your view, would constitute sufficient evidence for the truth of the claim?

The point remains: your claim and others is that he was dragged kicking and screaming while mine is that kids like to do things with their dads.

I have not made such a claim.

Perhaps you can devote your energies towards proving that children do not love their fathers before you start making anymore football analogies.

Even if your theory was correct and young Omar went along of his own free will, it is irrelevant in light of his status as a minor.

[DogOnPorch]

So what, in your view, would constitute sufficient evidence for the truth of the claim?

The same stuff that would prove Manson was framed by 'the Man'.

I have not made such a claim.

Of course you haven't.

Even if your theory was correct and young Omar went along of his own free will, it is irrelevant in light of his status as a minor.

Again, only applies in Canada and certain other nations. Not so in Waziristan. You're of age if you can load an AK-47.

[kraychik]

I have not made such a claim.

No, you just let communists like jacee make that claim for you, and then engage in nonsensical argumentation against those like DogOnPorch who challenge that stupidity. You're like a parasitic poster.

Even if your theory was correct and young Omar went along of his own free will, it is irrelevant in light of his status as a minor.

What about his behaviour since he ceased being a minor eight years ago? Does that matter? Being a minor doesn't absolve one of responsibility for crimes, and Canadian sovereignty certainly doesn't extend past our borders. I guess you want Khadr to be treated in accordance with the Young Offenders Act?

Edited October 3, 2012 by kraychik

[Black Dog]

The same stuff that would prove Manson was framed by 'the Man'.

A nonsensical answer.

Of course you haven't.

Can you show me where I have said such a thing?

Again, only applies in Canada and certain other nations. Not so in Waziristan. You're of age if you can load an AK-47.

That is irrelevant.

[DogOnPorch]

A nonsensical answer.

Can you show me where I have said such a thing?

That is irrelevant.

Then we have nothing further to say.

[jacee]

Again, only applies in Canada and certain other nations. Not so in Waziristan. You're of age if you can load an AK-47.

Not legally adult.

By definition, child soldier under adult control.

Edit - oops!

Edited October 3, 2012 by jacee

[eyeball]

That works only in the West. Coming of age is a lot different in places like Waziristan. Girls can be married at ages we'd call way too young.

Am I to believe government lawyers will also try to fly this sort rationalization past the Supreme Court of Canada?

[DogOnPorch]

Am I to believe government lawyers will also try to fly this sort rationalization past the Supreme Court of Canada?

I really don't care. Omar will get his just deserts according to Canada as it is in 2012. There's little effect I could have over his supporters or detractors.

[DogOnPorch]

(Aside ...FYI name-calling/personal attacks are violations of board rules.)

Where'd I do that?

[kraychik]

Not legally adult.

By definition, child soldier under adult control.

(Aside ...FYI name-calling/personal attacks are violations of board rules.)

If we use the UN's definition of child soldier, which a communist like you must be in favour of, then child soldiers are defined as those aged fifteen and under. Khadr was sixteen when he murdered American army medic Christopher Speer.

[Black Dog]

If we use the UN's definition of child soldier, which a communist like you must be in favour of, then child soldiers are defined as those aged fifteen and under. Khadr was sixteen when he murdered American army medic Christopher Speer.

Khadr was captured on July 27, 2002. His birthdate is September 19, 1986.

[eyeball]

If we use the UN's definition of child soldier, which a communist like you must be in favour of, then child soldiers are defined as those aged fifteen and under. Khadr was sixteen when he murdered American army medic Christopher Speer.

You need to contact the Supreme Court and let them know they're wrong to call him a minor.

Good luck with that.

[kraychik]

Khadr was captured on July 27, 2002. His birthdate is September 19, 1986.

My mistake, he was two months away from his sixteenth birthday. Also, I need to edit my earlier statement: The UN's definition of "child soldier" applies to those under the age of fifteen. So by that standard, he doesn't qualify.

[kraychik]

You need to contact the Supreme Court and let them know they're wrong to call him a minor.

Good luck with that.

So your reading comprehension is non-existent. Good to know.

[bleeding heart]

Khadr was captured on July 27, 2002. His birthdate is September 19, 1986.

You friggin' lefties with your irrelevant math.

[Moonlight Graham]

If we use the UN's definition of child soldier, which a communist like you must be in favour of, then child soldiers are defined as those aged fifteen and under. Khadr was sixteen when he murdered American army medic Christopher Speer.

Except for the fact that Khadr was 15 years old when he was involved in the firefight and captured:

Khadr was captured on July 27, 2002 by American forces at the age of 15 following a four-hour firefight in the village of Ayub Kheyl, Afghanistan[9] and detained in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp

Khadr was born Sept. 19, 1986, captured July 27, 2002, Speer was pulled from life support Aug. 7 2002. Anyway you do the math, which you clearly didn't (as is typical of all leftists like you) Khadr was 15.

Edited October 3, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

My mistake, he was two months away from his sixteenth birthday. Also, I need to edit my earlier statement: The UN's definition of "child soldier" applies to those under the age of fifteen. So by that standard, he doesn't qualify.

No he doesn't. Which is a bit ridiculous since the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a child as: "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier".

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/crc.htm

[g_bambino]

[T]he UN Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a child as: "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier".

Still, it also deems it okay for persons over 16 to join a military, though it discourages governments from recruiting them.

[ed.: corr.]

Edited October 3, 2012 by g_bambino

[Black Dog]

My mistake, he was two months away from his sixteenth birthday. Also, I need to edit my earlier statement: The UN's definition of "child soldier" applies to those under the age of fifteen. So by that standard, he doesn't qualify.

Nope. The UN Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict sets 18 as "the minimum age for direct participation in hostilities, for recruitment into armed groups, and for compulsory recruitment by governments. States may accept volunteers from the age of 16 but must deposit a binding declaration at the time of ratification or accession, setting out their minimum voluntary recruitment age and outlining certain safeguards for such recruitment."

[kraychik]

No he doesn't. Which is a bit ridiculous since the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a child as: "every human being below the age of eighteen years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier".

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/crc.htm

Read the part in bold.

[kraychik]

Nope. The UN Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict sets 18 as "the minimum age for direct participation in hostilities, for recruitment into armed groups, and for compulsory recruitment by governments. States may accept volunteers from the age of 16 but must deposit a binding declaration at the time of ratification or accession, setting out their minimum voluntary recruitment age and outlining certain safeguards for such recruitment."

The key word here, of course, is optional. Details like that sort of slip past you, it seems. Now try to connect that to Khadr situation.

[kraychik]

Except for the fact that Khadr was 15 years old when he was involved in the firefight and captured:

Khadr was born Sept. 19, 1986, captured July 27, 2002, Speer was pulled from life support Aug. 7 2002. Anyway you do the math, which you clearly didn't (as is typical of all leftists like you) Khadr was 15.

Like I said, even using the UN's definition of child soldier, Khadr wouldn't qualify because he was over the age of fifteen.

[Black Dog]

The key word here, of course, is optional. Details like that sort of slip past you, it seems. Now try to connect that to Khadr situation.

Funny way you have of admitting you were wrong about the UN definition.