DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Yet you have alliances with and great expectations of others to bear the burden instead...marvelous. Plus, if my memory serves, nuclear bombers have crashed before...in Canada, even. So this isn't all that impossible. Not to mention a Soviet spy satellite and goodness knows what else when we aren't there to hear the tree fall. As I'm sure you know, the Rooshins have different rules when it comes to hauling around nuclear weapons...much like their ify range safety rules at Baikonur. Flippant comes to mind. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Plus, if my memory serves, nuclear bombers have crashed before...in Canada, even. So this isn't all that impossible. Not to mention a Soviet spy satellite and goodness knows what else when we aren't there to hear the tree fall. As I'm sure you know, the Rooshins have different rules when it comes to hauling around nuclear weapons...much like their ify range safety rules at Baikonur. Flippant comes to mind. Yah the B-36 the Peacemaker crashed in Canada. It wasn't Russian so I don't know what your point is. We need these planes so that we can chase off the Americans? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Yah the B-36 the Peacemaker crashed in Canada. It wasn't Russian so I don't know what your point is. We need these planes so that we can chase off the Americans? The Peacemaker...lol. Just 'Peacemaker'. A fine Convair machine, too. Never fired a shot in anger. The site is fairly close to where I'm living. It's called 'Broken Arrow' by the US...just the possibilty of a Tu-95 crash should make us want to keep them well away. But since it is impossible for anything other than an American plane to crash, why bother? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
punked Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 The Peacemaker...lol. Just 'Peacemaker'. A fine Convair machine, too. Never fired a shot in anger. The site is fairly close to where I'm living. It's called 'Broken Arrow' by the US...just the possibilty of a Tu-95 crash should make us want to keep them well away. But since it is impossible for anything other than an American plane to crash, why bother? The only people crashing are people we know and allow in our Airspace. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 The only people crashing are people we know and allow in our Airspace. I agree. A Russian plane is incapable of crashing. There'd be Hell to pay back at the base. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Derek L Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 bunk, absolute bunk. I'll believe the U.S. GAO over Lockheed Martin propaganda - presuming everything goes right for Lockheed Martin... and based on a decade+ of failed promises/results, who would believe/accept... everything going right for JSFail, the following is the most recent (weeks old) update from the U.S. GAO: Ahhh……..So now it’s a mater of opinion………..You wish to speak to precedent, but precedent (and the results of current flight testing) and schedules is clearly in Lockheed’s court………Also, speaking precedent, or under the meme of “Actions speak louder then words (Or GAO reports)” the purchasers of the F-35 are still lining up and putting their money down………..Obviously their opinion of the program differs from your consecratory dogma. in your most duplicitous manner, you just spoke of production turnout occurring... today. It is a fact, an absolute fact, those current planes will need to be retrofitted given the ongoing design failures and problems realized... and yet to be realized. It's called concurrency - pushing planes out when minimal testing has been done! One of the biggest failings within JSFail... the single biggest reason massive procurement delays (and outright downsizing) has occurred. Let's see your Lockheed Martin production propaganda keep up to the massive queue formed and continuing to form as we speak! You sir, are deluded! Insults and frustration Waldo? I’d hoped your “evening out” had went better…………None the less, as already mentioned numerous times by myself and others, the aircraft currently in service/testing and in low rate initial production would require retrofitting to enable them to become operational in front line squadrons with regular production aircraft later this decade……………But as stated by the Americans, this approach won’t be taken in full (software upgrades will occur as they become available) and said aircraft will be kept in the training establishment and of course, Canada isn’t purchasing LRIP aircraft…… Quote
Army Guy Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Punked: Personally I hate when we spend everything single red cent of tax dollars on military expenditure, and close down school, medical care and so on to finance it. Why do you love that? See we can both play to the extreme exaggeration game although it doesn't actually help the debate in anyway and makes us both look foolish. WOW...you are playing the exageration game arn't you But if you had any proof that education and our health care was suffering to bring our military into the next century...Canadians would have went on the rampage long ago ...You make it sound like our country is one huge military complex where a bulk of our tax dollars are spent in it's maintance. When in Reality we spend only 8 cents out of every tax dollar you send in on defence. I think the question all Canadians sould be asking is how did our military get into it's current state, and how many programs bennifited from it's gutting, and neglect. And they should ask them was it worth it. Canadian soldiers paided for those cuts in blood and life....without as much as a whine from them, no debates, on costs, none on how costs should be laid out over the next 36 years. none that there was not a fair and open bidding process....Nope they went to serve thier country in what ever they wanted to send us to war in....Canadians should think about that , we are not your enemy, we are not just a dept that likes to spend your money....we are you, your brothers and sisters, daughters, sons, who want to give something back to this great nation, only we want to given a fair chance on coming come back to our families as well.... link Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 cheaper... and real, not imaginary - notwithstanding an honest discussion/debate on the role for Canada's military. I'd love to see this happen, but in my opinion i don't think we have the time or effort to take anything defense related seriously.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 bunk, absolute bunk. I'll believe the U.S. GAO over Lockheed Martin propaganda - presuming everything goes right for Lockheed Martin... and based on a decade+ of failed promises/results, who would believe/accept... everything going right for JSFail, the following is the most recent (weeks old) update from the U.S. GAO:Ahhh……..So now it’s a mater of opinion………..You wish to speak to precedent, but precedent (and the results of current flight testing) and schedules is clearly in Lockheed’s court………Also, speaking precedent, or under the meme of “Actions speak louder then words (Or GAO reports)” the purchasers of the F-35 are still lining up and putting their money down………..Obviously their opinion of the program differs from your consecratory dogma. no - the U.S. GAO reports are not opinion... they are factual based. Unfortunately, for you, the U.S. military branches themselves don't share your blind 'still lining up' allegiance... "Since 2002, the total quantity through 2017 has been reduced by three-fourths, from 1,591 to 365". Oh my... is there a problem? JSFail is said to have completed ~ 20% of testing... with the most difficult and comprehensive testing ahead; again, per the latest weeks old U.S. GAO report: "Development of critical mission systems providing core combat capabilities remains behind schedule and risky. To date, only 4 percent of the mission systems required for full capability have been verified." Clearly, in your imaginary reality, as you say, "testing & schedules is clearly in Lockheed's court"!!! in your most duplicitous manner, you just spoke of production turnout occurring... today. It is a fact, an absolute fact, those current planes will need to be retrofitted given the ongoing design failures and problems realized... and yet to be realized. It's called concurrency - pushing planes out when minimal testing has been done! One of the biggest failings within JSFail... the single biggest reason massive procurement delays (and outright downsizing) has occurred. Let's see your Lockheed Martin production propaganda keep up to the massive queue formed and continuing to form as we speak! You sir, are deluded!Insults and frustration Waldo? I’d hoped your “evening out” had went better…………None the less, as already mentioned numerous times by myself and others, the aircraft currently in service/testing and in low rate initial production would require retrofitting to enable them to become operational in front line squadrons with regular production aircraft later this decade……………But as stated by the Americans, this approach won’t be taken in full (software upgrades will occur as they become available) and said aircraft will be kept in the training establishment and of course, Canada isn’t purchasing LRIP aircraft…… no - certainly no frustration... and no insult. Nice to see you finally acknowledge the JSFail concurrency problem - I expect we won't again hear from you trumpeting the production releases of LRIP aircraft, hey? Quote
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 You wish to speak to precedent, but precedent (and the results of current flight testing) and schedules is clearly in Lockheed’s court……… June 5, 2012 --- F-35 production quality worries Senate panel The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday questioned the quality of production on the Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, citing a "potentially serious issue" with its electronic warfare capability."The committee is ... concerned about production quality and whether it is sufficient to ensure the delivery of JSF aircraft to the U.S. and its allies at an affordable price," the committee said in a report accompanying its fiscal 2013 defense budget bill. Italy has already scaled back its planned orders for the new, radar-evading warplane and several other countries are slowing their orders, citing budgetary pressures. Japan has warned it could cancel its order if the cost per plane rises from what it was offered. Questions over the quality of production of the F-35 will compound the mounting woes of the $396 billion Pentagon program, which has already been restructured three times in recent years to extend the development phase and slow production. The committee said it was troubled by the average rate of scrap, rework and repair at Lockheed's Fort Worth, Texas facility from 2009 through the first two months of 2012, but gave no details. "Inattention to production quality" had led to the discovery of a potentially serious issue with an aperture on the plane that was critical to its electronic warfare capability, the report said. The full extent of the problem was not known, but it underscored the need for the Pentagon and Lockheed to "rigorously manage production quality," it said. The committee's report reiterated long-standing congressional concerns that Lockheed is already producing planes even as testing continues, which can lead to costly retrofits. The most recent restructuring added 33 months and $7.9 billion to the development plan. The report also cited concern about lack of progress on software development for the new aircraft, noting that "the potential cascading effect of failures to deliver software ... can be particularly pernicious." Quote
Guest Derek L Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 no - the U.S. GAO reports are not opinion... they are factual based. Unfortunately, for you, the U.S. military branches themselves don't share your blind 'still lining up' allegiance... "Since 2002, the total quantity through 2017 has been reduced by three-fourths, from 1,591 to 365". Oh my... is there a problem? JSFail is said to have completed ~ 20% of testing... with the most difficult and comprehensive testing ahead; again, per the latest weeks old U.S. GAO report: "Development of critical mission systems providing core combat capabilities remains behind schedule and risky. To date, only 4 percent of the mission systems required for full capability have been verified." Clearly, in your imaginary reality, as you say, "testing & schedules is clearly in Lockheed's court"!!! no - certainly no frustration... and no insult. Nice to see you finally acknowledge the JSFail concurrency problem - I expect we won't again hear from you trumpeting the production releases of LRIP aircraft, hey? Two very simple questions to pose to you Waldo: Why Haven’t any nations left the program? And why is participation increasing amongst non partner nations? Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 ... And why is participation increasing amongst non partner nations? Because they can't get their hands on what they really wanted....the oh so expensive and "problem riddled" F-22 Raptor. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Two very simple questions to pose to you Waldo: Why Haven’t any nations left the program? And why is participation increasing amongst non partner nations?Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey? left the program? What does it cost them to stay in and keep up the/your charade? US military branches: "Since 2002, the total procurement quantity through 2017 has been reduced by three-fourths, from 1,591 to 365". The U.S. Navy has, for all intents and purposes, abandoned JSFail... issuing a separate RFI for a new replacement jet fighter. UK: the single largest contributing JSFail 'partner'... the only Level 1 'partner', has now flip-flopped for a second time... ongoing failure/delay/restrictions of the 'C' variant brought forward a (second) flip-flop bringing the UK back to the original 'B' variant procurement intent. To-date, the UK has purchased only... only... 3 F-35B jets. Italy: the second largest financial contributor to the JSFail program - has officially announced a 30% procurement reduction intent. To date, Italy has purchased no F-35 jets. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Netherlands: officially announced an intention to reduce its procurement intention by 25%. To date, Netherlands has purchased only... only... 2 F-35 jets for test and evaluation purposes. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Australia: one month ago, May 2012, Australia deferred procurement intentions on its first order of 14 F-35s... 2 of the original 14 were in production and will be purchased for 'testing & evaluation' purposes. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Canada: Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Norway: per Wikileaks, per previous at length MLW discussion, Norway was unduly pressured by the U.S. toward F-35 procurement. Per recent Lockheed Martin desperation, Norway agreed to purchase... two... two F-35 jets - under the strict proviso that Lockheed Martin would agree to integrate the Norwegian developed JSM missile into the JSFail program. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Denmark: Denmark has expressed no official F-35 procurement intention. Official statements speak to a 2014 decision on any F-35 procurement intention in relation to Denmark's expressed direction to evaluate the F-35 against other alternatives. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Turkey: Turkey has officially placed it's procurement intentions on hold. To date, Turkey has, in principle, agreed to purchase 2 F-35 jets for testing and evaluation purposes. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! per the latest Pentagon/DOD SAR F-35 report: additional costs to the JSFail program in relation to reduced/lost procurement numbers: - U.S. F-35 => "cost impacts of a slower near-term production ramp rate - $5.2 Billion dollars" - International F-35 => "increases due to a revised, slower international procurement buy profile - $.83 Billion dollars" - F-35 engine => "cost impacts of a slower near-term production ramp rate - $.98 Billion dollars" yes! Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 left the program? What does it cost them to stay in and keep up the/your charade? US military branches: "Since 2002, the total procurement quantity through 2017 has been reduced by three-fourths, from 1,591 to 365". The U.S. Navy has, for all intents and purposes, abandoned JSFail... issuing a separate RFI for a new replacement jet fighter. UK: the single largest contributing JSFail 'partner'... the only Level 1 'partner', has now flip-flopped for a second time... ongoing failure/delay/restrictions of the 'C' variant brought forward a (second) flip-flop bringing the UK back to the original 'B' variant procurement intent. To-date, the UK has purchased only... only... 3 F-35B jets. Italy: the second largest financial contributor to the JSFail program - has officially announced a 30% procurement reduction intent. To date, Italy has purchased no F-35 jets. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Netherlands: officially announced an intention to reduce its procurement intention by 25%. To date, Netherlands has purchased only... only... 2 F-35 jets for test and evaluation purposes. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Australia: one month ago, May 2012, Australia deferred procurement intentions on its first order of 14 F-35s... 2 of the original 14 were in production and will be purchased for 'testing & evaluation' purposes. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Canada: Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Norway: per Wikileaks, per previous at length MLW discussion, Norway was unduly pressured by the U.S. toward F-35 procurement. Per recent Lockheed Martin desperation, Norway agreed to purchase... two... two F-35 jets - under the strict proviso that Lockheed Martin would agree to integrate the Norwegian developed JSM missile into the JSFail program. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Denmark: Denmark has expressed no official F-35 procurement intention. Official statements speak to a 2014 decision on any F-35 procurement intention in relation to Denmark's expressed direction to evaluate the F-35 against other alternatives. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Turkey: Turkey has officially placed it's procurement intentions on hold. To date, Turkey has, in principle, agreed to purchase 2 F-35 jets for testing and evaluation purposes. Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! per the latest Pentagon/DOD SAR F-35 report: additional costs to the JSFail program in relation to reduced/lost procurement numbers: - U.S. F-35 => "cost impacts of a slower near-term production ramp rate - $5.2 Billion dollars" - International F-35 => "increases due to a revised, slower international procurement buy profile - $.83 Billion dollars" - F-35 engine => "cost impacts of a slower near-term production ramp rate - $.98 Billion dollars" yes! Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! So which countries left the program? Quote
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 So which countries left the program? what's your favourite catch phrase... something about, 'doing the math'... perhaps you should... do the math, hey? yes! Quite clearly - a glowing 'Derek L' testament to the JSFail program and his "Actions speak louder then words or opinions hey", bleat! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 what's your favourite catch phrase... something about, 'doing the math'... perhaps you should... do the math, hey? Let’s do the math: 9 partner nations - 0 that have left the program = 9 partner nations still onboard Now if we had Israel, Singapore, Japan, Spain and South Korea, We have 9 + 5 = 14 nations Now please, point out which nations have left the program, please. In other Lockheed News today: Lockheed Wins Contract To Connect US Fighter Planes With Allies Odd That the United States Government would award another multi billion dollar contract to Lockmart, what with all their “failings” Quote
Guest Derek L Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Oh did we mention this contract, released of course after your GAO findings: Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Program Finally Gets Some Good News With U.S. Contract has received a $490 million contract from the US Department of Defence (DoD) to buy materials and components for the seventh batch of 35 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) planes. [1] The seventh batch will deliver 19 conventional take-off and landing or F-35 “A” models to the U.S. Air Force, 6 short take-off and vertical landing or F-35 “B” models to the U.S. Marine Corps, 4 carrier variants of F-35 to the U.S. Navy, and remaining 6 F-35 fighter planes to some of the international partners of the F-35 JSF program, including 3 F-35 “A” models to Italy, 2 F-35 “A” models to Turkey and 1 F-35 “B” model to Britain.The company has also received an order for 2 F-35s from Norway last week. Norway plans to order 50 more F-35s for an estimated cost of $10 billion and will receive its first 4 F-35s by 2016 and the rest post 2017. I guess the Senate Armed Services Committee isn’t that worried about LockMart Quote
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Let’s do the math: 9 partner nations - 0 that have left the program = 9 partner nations still onboard like I said... you really should do the math! you're engaged with people of childlike logic, zero ability for critical thinking...buying toys for a war scenario in which these toys will be of practical use vs opponents we have no hope of countering... succinct and to the point... all of these F-35 proponents are completely dissociated from the reality of, JSFail F-35 'over budget, overdue, and over-hyped'. Now if we had Israel, Singapore, Japan, Spain and South Korea, We have 9 + 5 = 14 nations Japan reaped further Lockheed Martin desperation by managing to secure F-35 manufacturing in Japan. Other than that, none of the other countries have officially/formally expressed any procurement intentions... more to the point, you keep showing your ignorance by repeatedly mentioning South Korea, which most certainly is currently in a formal competition and has expressed extreme displeasure that Lockheed Martin has only offered a simulator option for South Korea to test/evaluate... surely you must recall me slagging Lockmart over this lil' tidbit - right? Now please, point out which nations have left the program, please. I would suggest you... do the math... what does it tell you when no one is buying and/or procurement numbers have been slashed and/or procurement has been deferred? Do the math, hey? Quote
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 I guess the Senate Armed Services Committee isn’t that worried about LockMart no - it's concerned big time. Why don't you advise on the negotiation and pre-conditions to that contract, hey? You know, where, for the first time ever in the JSFail program, Lockheed Martin is finally being held to a performance accounting. That sir... is the SASC concern formalized into a contract level. Be a good lil' doobee and pull out those negotiation conditions... sure you can! Quote
GostHacked Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Because they can't get their hands on what they really wanted....the oh so expensive and "problem riddled" F-22 Raptor. One small problem like not getting the pilot enough oxygen seems to be a real crippling factor. There have been enough pilots to refuse to fly the plane because of it. It is the most advanced fighter on the planet. Not much good if the pilots refuse to fly them. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 like I said... you really should do the math! Japan reaped further Lockheed Martin desperation by managing to secure F-35 manufacturing in Japan. Other than that, none of the other countries have officially/formally expressed any procurement intentions... more to the point, you keep showing your ignorance by repeatedly mentioning South Korea, which most certainly is currently in a formal competition and has expressed extreme displeasure that Lockheed Martin has only offered a simulator option for South Korea to test/evaluate... surely you must recall me slagging Lockmart over this lil' tidbit - right? I would suggest you... do the math... what does it tell you when no one is buying and/or procurement numbers have been slashed and/or procurement has been deferred? Do the math, hey? How many nations have left the program? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 no - it's concerned big time. Why don't you advise on the negotiation and pre-conditions to that contract, hey? You know, where, for the first time ever in the JSFail program, Lockheed Martin is finally being held to a performance accounting. That sir... is the SASC concern formalized into a contract level. Be a good lil' doobee and pull out those negotiation conditions... sure you can! Yet, the Government just signed another contract with Lockheed...... Quote
Moonbox Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 Yet, the Government just signed another contract with Lockheed...... Are they locked into anything yet? No? So who cares. If you need me to I can link you all sorts of articles about how upset the US government, Pentagon and basically everyone is about how the JSF has progressed - WAYY late, grossly overbudget and with few solutions in sight. I used to be all in favour of the program, but not anymore. I have completely different reasons from waldo, because his are based on his expert opinion that manned fighters are already obsolete, but I think he and I would both agree that the program is an unmitigated disaster at this point and will go down as one of the biggest fiascos in US military procurement history. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 How many nations have left the program? after all your bluster, it is most heartening to read you relegated to nothing more than a continued blather about, 'nations leaving'. As I said, notwithstanding the most recent $7 Billion cost hit to JSFail given U.S. military and partner nation procurement delay/reductions: I would suggest you... do the math... what does it tell you when no one is buying and/or procurement numbers have been slashed and/or procurement has been deferred? Do the math, hey? do the math, damnit! Do the math! Quote
waldo Posted June 25, 2012 Report Posted June 25, 2012 I guess the Senate Armed Services Committee isn’t that worried about LockMart no - it's concerned big time. Why don't you advise on the negotiation and pre-conditions to that contract, hey? You know, where, for the first time ever in the JSFail program, Lockheed Martin is finally being held to a performance accounting. That sir... is the SASC concern formalized into a contract level. Be a good lil' doobee and pull out those negotiation conditions... sure you can! Yet, the Government just signed another contract with Lockheed...... puuurfect! Is that all ya got? Like I said, after more than decade, finally... finally... Lockheed Martin has been tied to a contract with real performance criteria it must meet. You presumed to beak-off over this contract... you really should have done your homework. In any case, like I challenged you to do - bring those contract pre-conditions forward... let's see just how much concern there really is within the SASC, hey? Chop, chop... times a wasting - bring em forward, hey? oh wait... are you grasping on to this conditional contract as something to champion... something over and above the SASC actually killing the JSFail program? Oh my... to even read you entertaining the "kill option" speaks volumes... speaks volumes, sir! Quote
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