DogOnPorch Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Moonpie: you're better off not bothering to respond. As if any of us actually have influence over this. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 NEWS FLASH US Air Force disbands due to pressure by waldo. "We've decided to play golf instead", claims Air Force spokesperson. "You're on your own." Very good insight....the USAF always builds the golf course first at new bases, then asks for more money to finish the runways! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Actually, we've figured out long ago that Canada is going to buy these thing waldo or not. But, meh...it's fun to argue, n'est pas? Sho 'nuff....I just want to see how high we can get the price to really piss them off! Let's just call it an even $100 billion CDN. Edited June 28, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 waldo you and I are very rarely on the same side of an argument, but I'll give you some friendly advice for this thread regardless. They're not reading your references or cites, and they're certainly not interested in a reasonable argument. The F-35 is a debacle, it's clear to anyone who cares to look at how much the program is costing and how delayed it already is, and it's almost certain it will be delayed further. When most of the responses you're getting are stupid (not even funny) things like this: you're better off not bothering to respond. F35 supporters cum in their pants at the slightest mention of war toys, it's a big circle jerk with military toys as the erotic fantasy... practicality or logic of equipment choice never enters the picture, it's "I want and I must have the latest toy whether I/we need it or not".. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Very good insight....the USAF always builds the golf course first at new bases, then asks for more money to finish the runways! Odd...my buddy at Davis Monthan said the same thing. Must be an ongoing pun. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 F35 supporters cum in their pants at the slightest mention of war toys, it's a big circle jerk with military toys as the erotic fantasy... practicality or logic of equipment choice never enters the picture, it's "I want and I must have the latest toy whether I/we need it or not".. We've already mulled over the Sopwith Camel. So that's another vote for the Camel? It's a proven design...a tad old. But, that shouldn't matter. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 F35 supporters cum in their pants at the slightest mention of war toys, One...two...three....WAR TOYS !!! it's a big circle jerk with military toys as the erotic fantasy... practicality or logic of equipment choice never enters the picture, it's "I want and I must have the latest toy whether I/we need it or not".. That's what the Liberals said when they told Santa about wanting in on the F-35 JSF program. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
gunrutz Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) F35 supporters cum in their pants at the slightest mention of war toys, it's a big circle jerk with military toys as the erotic fantasy... practicality or logic of equipment choice never enters the picture, it's "I want and I must have the latest toy whether I/we need it or not".. Well at least your one of the few to make your agenda clear. Speaking for myself, I actually just think that we need a military and equipment for them to use, your hatred for the military seems to have some sort of sexual aspect, strange, anyway perhaps you should question pilots of USAF aircraft that have been flown in combat for the last couple of decades to see if they thought their aircraft are impractical or illogical. The efficiency record they hold would seem to say otherwise, its alarming how often ideologues think they should decide for the military just what equipment they need when they themselves generally know nothing about the military and it's realities while wishing we had no military at all. It sort of makes your opinion completely irrelevant. Edited June 28, 2012 by gunrutz Quote
gunrutz Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 One...two...three....WAR TOYS !!! I think it moved. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 I think it moved. :D Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 The F-22 isn't grounded though....... Might as well be if the pilots refuse to fly them until the oxygen problem is resolved. Quote
wyly Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Well at least your one of the few to make your agenda clear. Speaking for myself, I actually just think that we need a military and equipment for them to use, your hatred for the military seems to have some sort of sexual aspect, strange, anyway perhaps you should question pilots of USAF aircraft that have been flown in combat for the last couple of decades to see if they thought their aircraft are impractical or illogical. The efficiency record they hold would seem to say otherwise, its alarming how often ideologues think they should decide for the military just what equipment they need when they themselves generally know nothing about the military and it's realities while wishing we had no military at all. It sort of makes your opinion completely irrelevant. 28 posts and already everything about me wow you have amazing clairvoyant abilities...I've never never had a derogatory opinion of the military...you might as well in join the circle jerk as critical thinking isn't part of your repertoire of skills either... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bleeding heart Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Well at least your one of the few to make your agenda clear. Speaking for myself, I actually just think that we need a military and equipment for them to use, your hatred for the military seems to have some sort of sexual aspect, strange, anyway perhaps you should question pilots of USAF aircraft that have been flown in combat for the last couple of decades to see if they thought their aircraft are impractical or illogical. The efficiency record they hold would seem to say otherwise, its alarming how often ideologues think they should decide for the military just what equipment they need when they themselves generally know nothing about the military and it's realities while wishing we had no military at all. It sort of makes your opinion completely irrelevant. First: Wyly has no hatred for the military, or at least none that he's stated; Second: the military itself is full of ideologues, at the upper echelons, who understand that matters such as business and PR is more important than practicality; Third: This sort of makes your opinion completely irrelevant. Edited June 28, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 ....Third: This sort of makes your opinion completely irrelevant. Fourth: ...just like everyone else, so a member in good standing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bleeding heart Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Fourth: ...just like everyone else, so a member in good standing. Fifth: I agree, but was actually quoting his "irrelevant" denunciation directly. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Fifth: I agree, but was actually quoting his "irrelevant" denunciation directly. Sixth: ....as is his/her prerogative. I am quite certain that the "U.S. GAO" considers Canada's fighter plight quite irrelevant as well. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bleeding heart Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Sixth: ....as is his/her prerogative. ??? OK...Seventh: as it is mine. (Especially since it's the identical sentiment.) I am quite certain that the "U.S. GAO" considers Canada's fighter plight quite irrelevant as well. As is their prerogative. Edited June 28, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
wyly Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 First: Wyly has no hatred for the military, or at least none that he's stated; I may have an opinion on individual military members but not the military itself I don't care, it's a career choice...nearly half my family has served in the military at one time or other and I've had great debates with them regarding Canada's military roles with no animosity... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bleeding heart Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 I may have an opinion on individual military members but not the military itself I don't care, it's a career choice...nearly half my family has served in the military at one time or other and I've had great debates with them regarding Canada's military roles with no animosity... Sure, I get that. You know how to shrug off what amounts to the old "why don't you support the troops?" argument...which at bottom means: "why don't you support Government policy devised primarily by civilians?" Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 ....As is their prerogative. Indeed...I wonder if the "U.S. GAO" publishes in English and French, since it has such a large Canadian audience? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 Indeed...I wonder if the "U.S. GAO" publishes in English and French, since it has such a large Canadian audience? Le Manuel d'exploitation de la CF-35 pour les membres du NPD Étape 1. Obtenir dans. Étape 2. Démarrer l'avion. Étape 3. Frapper le gaz. Étape 4. Chante Alouette, dire vos prières. Étape 5. Décollage. Note : poussant sur le bâton rend l'avion descend, pas plus. Sorry for the crappy French. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wyly Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 You know how to shrug off what amounts to the old "why don't you support the troops?" argument...which at bottom means: "why don't you support Government policy devised primarily by civilians?" yup, I don't get how people buy into that logic and back away from confronting it..."Either you're with us or you're a terrorist!"..."You're either with us or you're a pedophile!" sheeple... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Moonbox Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 I think it moved. okay THAT was really funny. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Le Manuel d'exploitation de la CF-35 pour les membres du NPD Étape 1. Entre. Étape 2. Démarre l'avion. Étape 3. Frappe le gaz. Étape 4. Chante Alouette, dis vos prières, plaigne très fort. Étape 5. Décolle. Note : poussant sur le bâton vous fait descendre, pas monter. Sorry for the crappy French. No problem! Slightly corrected hopefully...but I'm like 12 years out of French school so I'm sure it's still not perfect. Edited June 28, 2012 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
DogOnPorch Posted June 28, 2012 Report Posted June 28, 2012 No problem! Slightly corrected hopefully...but I'm like 12 years out of French school so I'm sure it's still not perfect. Yeah...been a while here, too. Thank goodness for Bing. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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