Is "Occupy" a dirty word?

[HotspinTV]

I was recently in a conversation with some political activists who wanted to distance themselves from their previous involvement in the Occupy Movement. Just wondering what the general consensus is on the Occupy Movement, do you think it is dead, still going strong, a pointless drug induced inner city camping experience or a legitimate attempt to make the world a better place?

[greyman]

I was recently in a conversation with some political activists who wanted to distance themselves from their previous involvement in the Occupy Movement. Just wondering what the general consensus is on the Occupy Movement, do you think it is dead, still going strong, a pointless drug induced inner city camping experience or a legitimate attempt to make the world a better place?

I would've been more supportive of the Occupy Movement if it consisted of people interested in the Austrian School.

[Topaz]

The movement needs to wait for more Canadians to be unemployed and the way things are going a couple years should do it.

[DogOnPorch]

From my observations, there is a core group of Anarchists at the heart of each occupy event past the initial wave. That makes normal folks think twice...home owners...those with bank accounts...jobs, etc.

[jacee]

I was recently in a conversation with some political activists who wanted to distance themselves from their previous involvement in the Occupy Movement. Just wondering what the general consensus is on the Occupy Movement, do you think it is dead, still going strong, a pointless drug induced inner city camping experience or a legitimate attempt to make the world a better place?

Occupy still draws attention wherever it surfaces.

It's become a symbol of struggle against the corporate control of government and banks and police.

It'll be around for a long while in various ways and will evolve ...

[bush_cheney2004]

It'll be around for a long while in various ways and will evolve ...

Agreed....it is a social movement....like herpes.

[HotspinTV]

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Way to hijack a topic PooriTon

[Michael Hardner]

Way to hijack a topic PooriTon

Hotspin - please don't feed the trolls...

[Guest Derek L]

Hotspin - please don't feed the trolls...

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[PIK]

The movement needs to wait for more Canadians to be unemployed and the way things are going a couple years should do it.

Why would you say that, the numbers are not that way off the norm, and in a couple of months ,the seasonals will be all back to work.

[Guest Peeves]

From my observations, there is a core group of Anarchists at the heart of each occupy event past the initial wave. That makes normal folks think twice...home owners...those with bank accounts...jobs, etc.

Agreed. what strikes me is their ability to be anywhere there's a demonstration. That suggest they're probably lazy no good welfare bums.

[Hydraboss]

You had me at

a pointless drug induced inner city camping experience

It accomplished nothing. It was a waste of resources that we even had to send police to deal with a bunch of potheads. It is already mostly forgotten by the general public. The "protesters" will claim victory amongst themselves - because no one else will give them the time of day to listen to their nonsense.

Oh....and it accomplished nothing. Not even a footnote in history.

[waldo]

Oh....and it accomplished nothing. Not even a footnote in history.

see the rising influence of 'class warfare' politics... see politicians pander to the poor/middle classes railing against corporate greed, corruption, and predatory practices... see conservative/right-wingers attempt to reinforce the masses that the, 'dream is still there and viable'

[Hydraboss]

see the rising influence of 'class warfare' politics... see politicians pander to the poor/middle classes railing against corporate greed, corruption, and predatory practices... see conservative/right-wingers attempt to reinforce the masses that the, 'dream is still there and viable'

Got anything measurable?

[waldo]

Got anything measurable?

lil' help... just how are you measuring your historical footnotes?

Oh....and it accomplished nothing. Not even a footnote in history.

[jacee]

lil' help... just how are you measuring your historical footnotes?

The effects of the Occupy movement aren't easily measurable of course, but I think its message is percolating through a lot of issues and its spirit is strengthening other protests ... pipelines, climate change, payoff politics ...

I think the 20th century Canadian 'what can we do' shrug is fading as new generations are more inclined to take direct action.

[jacee]

The fallout from the financial crisis has already changed the way America views Wall Street.

It may also be changing the way the financial industry views itself. After years of huge paychecks and bonuses, financial industry workers are seeing their compensation capped and cut thanks to anxiety surrounding the global economy and oncoming regulations. But when a salary or bonus can serve as evidence of an accomplishment, it's disappearance can also amount to an erosion of self-worth.

"There's no other industry where you could get paid so much for doing so little," an an ex-trader for Lehman Brothers told Magazine as part of a piece about the changing dynamics of Wall Street.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/06/wall-street-pay-cuts_n_1257872.html

And here's the original article

http://nymag.com/news/features/wall-street-2012-2/

Edited February 7, 2012 by jacee

[Hydraboss]

Jacee, how does that article have anything to do with the Occupy thing? It simply quotes (poorly) the WSJ article that is talking about Wall Street reform in paying people.

Hint:

Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (enacted January 5, 2010)

Occupy Wall Street "protest" (began September 17, 2011)

Are you intentionally trying to mislead everyone again?

[jacee]

Jacee, how does that article have anything to do with the Occupy thing? It simply quotes (poorly) the WSJ article that is talking about Wall Street reform in paying people.

Hint:

Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (enacted January 5, 2010)

Occupy Wall Street "protest" (began September 17, 2011)

Are you intentionally trying to mislead everyone again?

I think the connection is pretty clear, but here's some clarification gor you from nymag link above:

Since the crash, and especially since the occupation of Zuccotti Park last September(which does appear to have rattled a lot of nerves), there has been a growing recognition on Wall Street that the system that had provided those million-dollar bonuses was built on a highly unstable foundation.

Disagreeable as it may be, goes this thinking, bankers have to go back to first principles, assess their value in the economy, and take their part in its rebuilding.

No one on Wall Street liked to be scapegoated either by the Obama administration or by the Occupiers. But many acknowledge that the bubble­-bust-bubble seesaw of the past decades isn’t the natural order of capitalism—and that the compensation arrangements just may have been a bit out of whack.

“There’s no other industry where you could get paid so much for doing so little,” a former Lehman trader said.

Paul Volcker, whose eponymous rule is at the core of the changes, echoes an idea that more bankers than you’d think would agree with. “Finance became a self-justification,” he told me recently. “They made a lot of money trading with each other with doubtful public benefit.”

...

And yet, the complaining has settled to a low murmur. Even as bonuses have withered, Wall Street as a political issue is gaining force. Bankers are aware that populism has a foothold, even in the Republican Party, and that these forces are liable to accelerate the process already taking place.

“There’s a real sense the world is changing,” says a private-­equity executive with deep ties to the GOP. “People are becoming aware there’s real anger out there. It’s not just some kids camping out in some park. The Romney attacks caught everyone by surprise. We have prepared for this to come from the Democrats in the fall but not now. You could run an entire campaign if you’re Barack Obama with ads using nothing but Republicans saying things about finance that you’d never hear two months ago. It’s an amazing thing."

[Shady]

Occupy is definitely a dirty word now. Even Bill Maher has gotten sick of them. On Real Time last Friday, he actually called them d-bags. It was hilarious!

[waldo]

Occupy is definitely a dirty word now. Even Bill Maher has gotten sick of them. On Real Time last Friday, he actually called them d-bags. It was hilarious!

I saw Maher's joke... he was railing against the, "anarchist stragglers"... particularly the recent mayhem in Oakland... not the movement, proper. In any case, we have something a bit more current from the recent days CPAC where your boy was captured in all his glory!

Godspeed Andrew Breitbart. Godspeed.

[RNG]

An American political forum I visit, and by the way, it is way more partisan than here, has discussed the occupy movement to great length. And both the Dems and Reps agree that the Occupy movement shot itself in the foot by not being on message and appearing to just be demanding more free stuff, forgiveness of their student loans, free housing and on and on. As I say, even the very lefty liberals on that forum dissed them.

[waldo]

more on Breitbart at the recent days CPAC... there's a full extended version where he goes off against the Occupiers protesting CPAC... but no one should have to put up with more than just a couple of minutes of this D-bag. Hence, the shorter Breitbart at CPAC - oh, and he has videos of Obama, 'the college years'... soon to come out!

[Tilter]

Is "Occupy" a dirty word?

No, that's just the unwashed occupants of the occupy tents so, not a word, but the actual occupiers

[PIK]

Actually the real occupy is dead and never really had a chance to do anything before the socialists and anarchists took over. Is it dead , the original idea is , but the movement of idiots is still out there. And of course it had alot to do with being anti- jewish or anti Israel. There is a blogger out there ,I can't think of his name now, but he got his hands on about 3000 e-mails, sent by groups hosting this circus and there is was, ''we must make sure no one shows up with a pro jew or pro israel supporters, that must be stopped. But allow the pro palastines groups in, why would the occupy movement do that if all there were worried about was jobs. Lets see whaty happens in chicago. It was that Breitbart guy, I watched a interview and he has the goods on it. Now I see the left has attack him ,because he speaks the truth and more will come out from this guy. But just by watching it, since it started anyone with a 1/2 brain could figure out what was really happening.Even by watching the interviews of the actual people doing the occupying, tells alot of what was really going on.

Edited February 13, 2012 by PIK