Is this what a Police State looks like?

[GostHacked]

You mean just like police helicopters?

Soon to be replaced by these when they are done testing them in Afghanistan... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16358851

I give it a year or two before you see these in Homeland USA.

Edited December 29, 2011 by GostHacked

[cybercoma]

Can you give me some examples ? I'll offer a counter example: the Occupy and Tea Party protests of 2011. No police state would allow such protests to happen in the first place.

The Police State didn't allow the Occupy Protests.

[Shady]

Soon to be replaced by these when they are done testing them in Afghanistan... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16358851

I give it a year or two before you see these in Homeland USA.

Exactly. So they're just like police helicopters, except that you don't need to waste the presence of an officer having to pilot one. Just like an ATM instead of a bank teller.

[Shady]

The Police State didn't allow the Occupy Protests.

Exactly. The freedoms guaranteed under the constitution did. Which is why suggesting we live in a police state is so ridiculous.

[GostHacked]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/13/government-spying-social-networks/

A privacy watchdog has uncovered a government memo that encourages federal agents to befriend people on a variety of social networks, to take advantage of their readiness to share -- and to spy on them. In response to a Freedom of Information request, the government released a handful of documents, including a May 2008 memo detailing how social-networking sites are exploited by the Office of Fraud Detection and National Security (FDNS).

As of Thursday morning, Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, and Digg had not commented on the report, which details the official government program to spy via social networking. Other websites the government is spying on include Twitter, MySpace, Craigslist and Wikipedia, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), which filed the FOIA request.

[Shady]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/13/government-spying-social-networks/

*yawn*

Is looking at something somebody posts on the internet really spying?

[Shady]

*yawn*

Is looking at something somebody posts on the internet really spying?

Omg, somebody might be spying on my forum posting as we speak!

[Guest American Woman]

Perhaps if some people actually spent time in a "police state" they'd appreciate the freedoms that we have.

[monty16]

Perhaps if some people actually spent time in a "police state" they'd appreciate the freedoms that we have.

But that's only your opinion. Other people's opinions matter too. So if some peole didn't spend time in a police state they would find out quicker how to appreciate their freedoms. Don't try to impress your truths onto others. What's true to you is not true for others, or, what's true for others is not true for you.

Disclaimer: That's not what I believe, it's what she told us she believes.

[eyeball]

Perhaps if some people actually spent time in a "police state" they'd appreciate the freedoms that we have.

Does that include Americans or Canadians who have spent time in police states while delivering the weapons and foreign aid they often need to survive? They don't seem too appreciative of the freedom they're helping to deny to other people.

You'd entrust these people to respect our freedoms?

[Shady]

Does that include Americans or Canadians who have spent time in police states while delivering the weapons and foreign aid they often need to survive? They don't seem too appreciative of the freedom they're helping to deny to other people.

You'd entrust these people to respect our freedoms?

The fact is, we don't live in a police state. Go live in one and find out for yourself. Regardless of whether they buy weapons from China, Russia, America, etc.

Claiming that Canada or America is some kind of police state is just bat-shit crazy. Stop the insanity people.

[Wilber]

Prefer a '70 Buick GNX or a '70 Plymouth Roadrunner...Maximum Torque/Minimum cost...

Got me one of These. A ragtop with the 440 TNT, numbers matching. 2500 built and the 440 was an option. Had it apart for twelve years and got it back on the road two years ago. A big boat with lots of chrome and an attitude. Same powertrain and gearing you would find in a Coronet RT or GTX but in a full size convertible.

[DogOnPorch]

The '66? Sweet.

[Jack Weber]

I miss dirt tracks, since I moved to the Maritimes.

There are 3 dirt tracks within a 100 km radius from my front door...Just in the province of Ontario!!!

(Merrittville,Humberstone,Ohsweken)

dirt modifieds,dirt late models,sprint cars...

[Jack Weber]

Got me one of These. A ragtop with the 440 TNT, numbers matching. 2500 built and the 440 was an option. Had it apart for twelve years and got it back on the road two years ago. A big boat with lots of chrome and an attitude. Same powertrain and gearing you would find in a Coronet RT or GTX but in a full size convertible.

That would be a sweet ride for cruisin'...

But I'm more into "visceral punch",if you catch my drift???

I'm assuming a 727 Torqueflight tranny and a 8 3/4 rear end on the 300???

Does the 440 TNT have the same 4 bolt main as the 440 Magnum?

[cybercoma]

There are 3 dirt tracks within a 100 km radius from my front door...Just in the province of Ontario!!!

(Merrittville,Humberstone,Ohsweken)

dirt modifieds,dirt late models,sprint cars...

Jealous.

[Wilber]

That would be a sweet ride for cruisin'...

But I'm more into "visceral punch",if you catch my drift???

I'm assuming a 727 Torqueflight tranny and a 8 3/4 rear end on the 300???

Does the 440 TNT have the same 4 bolt main as the 440 Magnum?

TNT is Chrysler speak for Dodges Magnum and Plymouth's Commando. 66 was the first year for the 440 and it was only offered in the big cars. It is different in that it is rated for 10 HP less than the 67 on engines. There are differences in the exhaust manifolds and a few other things that were in the later cars.

Same 727 transmission and the 300's had the same 3.23:1 rear end ratio as the muscle cars. My car also has buckets, console and floor shift as well as power windows (including vents), power drivers seat, cruise, automatic headlights, power antenna, tilt tele steering wheel and more. When I re did it I changed the colours inside and out from a light metalic blue with blue interior to a dark metalic green with a black leather interior. 66 Chrysler colours but not the same as the original car but a lot of it came from donor cars anyway. I figured that having spent so much on replating, a darker colour would show off the chrome and stainless much better and it does.

It is a great cruiser but it can move as well. It is not that much heavier than the B body cars and they didn't call the 300 the "bankers hotrod" for nothing. Only drawback is the mileage, 15 mpg on premium if I really baby it but 11 is more like reality. It doesn't leave the garage unless I can put the top down so it doesn't rack up many miles in a year.

[Michael Hardner]

To call what we have a 'police state' is to stretch the definition beyond what it actually means.

Limiting protest does not make a police state. Toronto's police behaved exactly as a civilian police department should.

[Guest Manny]

Toronto's police behaved exactly as a civilian police department should.

G20

[GostHacked]

To call what we have a 'police state' is to stretch the definition beyond what it actually means.

Limiting protest does not make a police state. Toronto's police behaved exactly as a civilian police department should.

You may want to look over those threads a little closer. We've discussed the problems with the G20 summit extensively. Familiarize yourself with 'Agent Provocateurs'.

[Rick]

Limiting protest does not make a police state.

Thank you, we agree with you also.

Sincerely,

Chinese government

Syrian government

[GostHacked]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/ns/nightly_news-nbc_news_investigates/t/pentagon-spying-americans/#.Tv3aVVai18E

WASHINGTON — A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a “threat” and one of more than 1,500 “suspicious incidents” across the country over a recent 10-month period.

“This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible,” says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project.

“This is incredible,” adds group member Rich Hersh. “It's an example of paranoia by our government,” he says. “We're not doing anything illegal.”

The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups.

“I think Americans should be concerned that the military, in fact, has reached too far,” says NBC News military analyst Bill Arkin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

All wiretapping of American citizens by the National Security Agency requires a warrant from a three-judge court set up under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. After the 9/11 attacks, Congress passed the Patriot Act, which granted the President broad powers to fight a war against terrorism. The George W. Bush administration used these powers to bypass the FISA court and directed the NSA to spy directly on al Qaeda in a new NSA electronic surveillance program. Reports at the time indicate that an "apparently accidental" "glitch" resulted in the interception of communications that were purely domestic in nature.[3] This action was challenged by a number of groups, including Congress, as unconstitutional.

It's not used for Al-queda anymore. It is now used on the American population.

This was something that made waves years ago, and it's come a long way since then.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619

AT&T's central office on Folsom Street in San Francisco houses a secret room that allows the National Security Agency to monitor phone and internet traffic, according to former AT&T technician-cum-whistle-blower Mark Klein.

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AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company.

Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week. That class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco last January, alleges that AT&T violated federal and state laws by surreptitiously allowing the government to monitor phone and internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants.

On Wednesday, the EFF asked the court to issue an injunction prohibiting AT&T from continuing the alleged wiretapping, and filed a number of documents under seal, including three AT&T documents that purportedly explain how the wiretapping system works.

According to a statement released by Klein's attorney, an NSA agent showed up at the San Francisco switching center in 2002 to interview a management-level technician for a special job. In January 2003, Klein observed a new room being built adjacent to the room housing AT&T's #4ESS switching equipment, which is responsible for routing long distance and international calls.

"I learned that the person whom the NSA interviewed for the secret job was the person working to install equipment in this room," Klein wrote. "The regular technician work force was not allowed in the room."

This is a police state that is not so visible to the average person.

[Shady]

This is a police state that is not so visible to the average person.

No, that is not a police state. Pure hyperbole.

[Black Dog]

To call what we have a 'police state' is to stretch the definition beyond what it actually means.

Limiting protest does not make a police state. Toronto's police behaved exactly as a civilian police department should.

Well, you had me up until the last sentence, unless you think the raison d'etre of civilian police force (which isn't really what police forces are) is to be completely incompetent.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Black Dog

[cybercoma]

Toronto's police behaved exactly as a civilian police department should.

No they didn't! G20 was a complete trainwreck. When you combine that with things like the online spying bill and the crime & punishment direction we're taking with mandatory minimums and harsher sentencing, we're not a police state, but we're definitely moving in that direction. Things are even worse in the United States. You can't just take individual actions and say "see this! Not a police state!" You need to look at everything that's going on and what direction we're moving in. We're definitely not a police state now, but it's clear that we're moving more and more in that direction and it's being sold to us in the interest of "safety." As the middle class continues to be gutted and labour actoins and protests become more common, you can be damn sure that the state will do its damndest to protect the wealthy. Instead of enacting social policies that would help people and promote fairness, they're crushing dissent and kicking the can down the line to the next governments.