Boges Posted July 6, 2015 Author Report Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) FFS http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5709639-no-wine-on-ontario-supermarket-shelves-this-year/ Against that backdrop, the Ontario Public Service Employees Union, which represents 7,000 LCBO workers, began airing radio ads on Friday attacking the Liberals for allowing supermarket beer and wine sales. The union warned increasing consumer access to booze will mean more impaired drivers and underage drinkers. "Alcohol is not just another consumer product," said OPSEU president Warren (Smokey) Thomas in a statement. "It is a controlled substance, and for good reason. Many of us enjoy alcohol in moderation, but the facts are that alcohol consumption is linked to a wide range of harms from injuries and trauma to disease and disability," said Thomas. "We hope these ads will start a conversation. If the government's plan goes through, this will be the largest expansion of liquor retailing in Ontario history. I swear Public Service Union are tone deaf to how idiotic they sound to people that don't have their jobs protected by tax revenue. Edited July 6, 2015 by Boges Quote
The_Squid Posted July 6, 2015 Report Posted July 6, 2015 FFS http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5709639-no-wine-on-ontario-supermarket-shelves-this-year/ I swear Public Service Union are tone deaf to how idiotic they sound to people that don't have their jobs protected by tax revenue. Yeah... that's really idiotic. I understand wanting to protect jobs, but the industry needs to adapt to consumer needs. BC liquor stores have better selection than most private stores, take orders for just about anything and generally have good customer service. It's a plus that their staff are paid a living wage. I use the gov't stores as much as possible because of this. If their service and selection sucked, I would go elsewhere despite the living wage issue. Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2015 Author Report Posted August 24, 2015 What a stupid article. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/08/23/booze-in-supermarkets-unfair-to-those-with-alcohol-issues-fiorito.html Booze in supermarkets. The supermarket where I shop has a miserable little display of middling Ontario wine. I can get a free snort if I choose. But even if I do not choose to drink at the supermarket, I have to pass in front of the temptation. I can, of course, bypass the temptation. Not everyone can. And of course I like convenience, but it seems to me that the government is making a grim calculation; more liberty for some, at the expense of hapless others. It has long been known that when access to alcohol is made easier, booze-related problems also rise: more alcoholics, more drunk drivers, more binge drinking, more families broken, more failed livers, more throat cancers. The calculation is that the cost to treat this increase in pain will be offset by increased revenue from taxes. That is cold-blooded. The only argument against this is needless fear mongering. It's all the proponents face. FEAR! Quote
The_Squid Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) What a stupid article. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/08/23/booze-in-supermarkets-unfair-to-those-with-alcohol-issues-fiorito.html The only argument against this is needless fear mongering. It's all the proponents face. FEAR! I think liquor stores should be located outside of population centres and only open at 6am to 8am on Tuesdays and Wednesdays... The more we can make it inconvenient for the majority of people who enjoy wine with their dinner the better. Plus raise the prices so that they're prohibitively expensive... that should show the drunks that we care. Perhaps fatty foods and coca cola should only be sold in special junk food stores so the fatties have less access to them as well... take away junk food from 7-11s and grocery stores! Edited August 25, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
PIK Posted August 25, 2015 Report Posted August 25, 2015 Ontario wine makers are pricing themselves out of the market. You telling me South African, Chilean, Aussie, even Italian wines are crap compared to Niagara wine? Santa Carolina is a nice Chilean wine you can get 1.5 Litres for $15. Regardless all wines in Canada are expensive because of the monopoly the LCBO has. I will take chilean any day. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Posted October 2, 2015 Least shocking thing ever. The plan to sell beer in grocery stores is highly regulated and not worth it for most grocers. http://www.thestar.com/business/2015/10/02/selling-beer-will-be-too-expensive-family-grocers-say.html Independent grocers say they are being asked to pay the same big fees as retail giants like Loblaws in order to sell beer and it’s effectively going to keep them out of the market. At an information session held Wednesday, Ontario grocers learned that if they get a licence, selling beer will cost them $7,000 per store, per year, regardless of the size of the operation. “It seems like they’re just paying lip service to the idea of independents being able to sell beer,” said David La Mantia, owner of La Mantia’s Country Market in Lindsay. Giancarlo Trimarchi, a partner in Vince’s Market stores in Newmarket, Uxbridge and Sharon, calculated that he’d have to sell $233,000 in beer a year to pay the fee. “We’d have to sell 54 six-packs a day.” The province announced in September that it would begin accepting bids from grocery retailers interested in selling beer, ending the monopoly held for decades by the Beer Store. A total of 60 licences will be granted this year, 12 of them to independent retailers across the province. I thought governments were supposed to look out for the little guy? Guess not, this scheme sounds more like the mob than anything. Quote
Black Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 I thought governments were supposed to look out for the little guy? Guess not, this scheme sounds more like the mob than anything. Wow that's a greasy system. Who could have seen that coming besides everyone? Quote
Gleason Posted October 2, 2015 Report Posted October 2, 2015 And exactly who owns the LCBO? Is it truly owned by the Province or ????? I have not seen this arrangement anywhere else in the world except Russia! Quote
Boges Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Who would have ever thought we'd see the day. A list of PRIVATE grocers have been released that will be allowed to sell BEER next month. This could lead to dancing. https://news.ontario.ca/mof/en/2015/11/ontario-announces-first-winning-bidders-for-sale-of-beer-in-grocery-stores.html The first grocers to be eligible to sell beer in Ontario grocery stores were announced today, as the province makes the next step towards more convenience and choice for Ontario consumers. In the biggest changes to beverage alcohol retailing in almost 90 years, Ontario is continuing progress toward the sale of beer in up to 450 grocery store locations provincewide. The winning bidders, coming from locations across Ontario, were selected via a competitive bidding process. To move forward with selling beer, these companies will apply to the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) to seek authorization for individual store locations. Upon completion of that review, up to 60 grocery store locations could be authorized to sell beer by December 2015. Reflecting the mix of independent and large grocers and geographic representation as set in regulation to ensure fairness, the successful bidders are: Coppa's Fresh Market Farm Boy 2012 Inc. Galleria Supermarket Hanahreuem Mart Inc. J & B La Mantia Ltd. (La Mantia's Country Market) Loblaws Inc. Longo Brothers Fruit Market Inc. Metro Ontario Inc. Michael-Angelos Market Place Inc. Pino's Get Fresh Sobeys Capital Incorporated Starsky Fine Foods Hamilton Inc. Wal-Mart Canada Corp. Edited November 18, 2015 by Boges Quote
Big Guy Posted November 18, 2015 Report Posted November 18, 2015 Are they going to accept empties? Bad news for the local bootleggers. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Posted November 18, 2015 Are they going to accept empties? Bad news for the local bootleggers. I think the Beer Store will still own that racket. Only reason I ever go into a beer store nowadays. Quote
overthere Posted November 20, 2015 Report Posted November 20, 2015 I think the Beer Store will still own that racket. Only reason I ever go into a beer store nowadays. You have to return recyclable bottles and cans to a beer store? How very primitive. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
capricorn Posted November 20, 2015 Report Posted November 20, 2015 You have to return recyclable bottles and cans to a beer store? How very primitive. Many Ontario residents throw empties in the garbage because standing in line for 20 minutes to collect about 2 bucks is a pain. Scavengers hunt garbage containers for discarded empties and can amass $10. to $20. in recyclables each day that they stash in large backpacks or garbage bags. Hence the lineups to return empties. It's turned into a veritable industry. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
overthere Posted November 20, 2015 Report Posted November 20, 2015 Many Ontario residents throw empties in the garbage because standing in line for 20 minutes to collect about 2 bucks is a pain. Scavengers hunt garbage containers for discarded empties and can amass $10. to $20. in recyclables each day that they stash in large backpacks or garbage bags. Hence the lineups to return empties. It's turned into a veritable industry. It has been an industry in Alberta since the 70s, operated by the private sector , profitable for them and includes returns on milk cartons, cans, bottles of many kinds. I cannot fathom why a beer store would be involved at all. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Michael Hardner Posted November 20, 2015 Report Posted November 20, 2015 I cannot fathom why a beer store would be involved at all. Well, the Beer Store in Ontario is owned by the two major breweries, who presumably profit from getting their material returned to them. And there is CSR: corporate social responsibility. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Boges Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Posted November 21, 2015 You have to return recyclable bottles and cans to a beer store? How very primitive. If I want my deposit back, yeah. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 21, 2015 Report Posted November 21, 2015 Well, the Beer Store in Ontario is owned by the two major breweries, who presumably profit from getting their material returned to them. And there is CSR: corporate social responsibility. Not sure that they profit from it. I believe it was mandated as the opportunity to do business. We live in Southern Ontario with thousands of miles of beaches. Hundreds of miles of these are very popular with many participants including alcoholic drinks with their beach partying. Liquor bottles returns get 25 cents and beer empties (bottle and can) get 10 cents. To stop this payback for empties would create chaos for our tourist industry with beaches littered with glass and tin. There are many in our society who gather these discarded recyclables and earn some decent fun money and help keep the public areas clean. Personally, I would like to see the price of alcohol to be increased to be able to rebate 25 cents a can and $1 an empty Liquor/Wine bottle. No more staff would have to be hired, the purchaser gets his/her money back after returns and more cans and bottles will be picked up. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Posted November 21, 2015 Not sure that they profit from it. I believe it was mandated as the opportunity to do business. We live in Southern Ontario with thousands of miles of beaches. Hundreds of miles of these are very popular with many participants including alcoholic drinks with their beach partying. Liquor bottles returns get 25 cents and beer empties (bottle and can) get 10 cents. To stop this payback for empties would create chaos for our tourist industry with beaches littered with glass and tin. There are many in our society who gather these discarded recyclables and earn some decent fun money and help keep the public areas clean. Personally, I would like to see the price of alcohol to be increased to be able to rebate 25 cents a can and $1 an empty Liquor/Wine bottle. No more staff would have to be hired, the purchaser gets his/her money back after returns and more cans and bottles will be picked up. Yeah because of people don't have enough incentive they'll just throw bottles in Lake Ontario. Gimme a break! People who are too lazy to bring them back put them in recycling. And scavengers have at it. It's stupid because the public has access to cans and bottles that don't hold alcohol, where's the deposit for that? It's a make work project. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 21, 2015 Report Posted November 21, 2015 Not sure that they profit from it. I believe it was mandated as the opportunity to do business. I don't see how they wouldn't. They get bottles back for nothing, and don't have to buy as many new bottles. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
overthere Posted November 21, 2015 Report Posted November 21, 2015 If I want my deposit back, yeah. We have had mandatory deposits since 1972 in Alberta, and the business is not subsidized by government. The private sector bottle depots take all beverage containers (glass bottles, metallic cans, TetraPaks, gable-top cartons, bags-in-boxes, plastic bottles and jugs, drink pouches), including milk containers, are charged deposits at the point of sale; 10¢ for containers 1 L or less, 25¢ for containers larger than 1 L. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
sophia144 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Just don't drink, and there's no problem. So useful avis,but difficle to do like that etuicoquesamsung.com www.etuicoquesamsung.com Edited November 27, 2015 by sophia144 Quote
Big Guy Posted November 25, 2015 Report Posted November 25, 2015 Those interested may find the process interesting: http://torontoist.com/2013/04/what-happens-to-beer-bottles-when-you-return-them-to-the-beer-store/ Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Posted December 14, 2015 It's ACTUALLY happening!!! http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/12/14/supermarket-beer-sales-begin-on-tuesday.html Six-packs of beer will be sold in the first Ontario supermarkets on Tuesday, but there will be no wine — yet. Premier Kathleen Wynne is to buy suds at the Loblaws on Leslie St. near Eastern Ave. Tuesday morning for the benefit of media cameras. Wynne’s symbolic purchase will partially realize a dream first broached by former premier David Peterson in 1985 when he promised beer and wine in corner stores but failed to get the measure passed in the legislature. Some 30 years later, uncorking the sale of wine, though, in supermarkets remains a challenge in Ontario’s restrictive booze-retailing environment. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 I don't understand why ON is skipping licensed private liquor stores and going straight into food markets... or are they doing both? What am I missing? And only 6 packs? Not individual bombers? Not 12 or 24 packs? This won't help the craft beer movement much, if at all. What is wrong with you people??? http://beaus.ca/ Quote
Big Guy Posted December 14, 2015 Report Posted December 14, 2015 We have finally progressed to where we can buy beer and popcorn in the same store. About 8 years ago, Scott Reid said "Don't give people 25 bucks a week to blow on beer and popcorn," during a panel discussion on CBC News. "Give them child-care spaces that work. Stephen Harper's plan has nothing to do with child care." Instead we got that $25 and now we can purchase both during one stop. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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