DogOnPorch Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 little hands on involvement? they got him into the country and in position to take over thats little hands on involvement? without the cia there would have been no shah Sorry...but your history is askew. The Shah was around well before 1953. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 Sorry...but your history is askew. The Shah was around well before 1953. in power as the government? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 in power as the government? 1941...by the Soviets and the UK. Daddy was a Nazi. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Big Guy Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) I have started a more specific thread on how Russia has and is continuing to change the war against ISIS: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/russia-rejects-accusations-killing-syrian-civilians-151223165827337.html The Russians are now setting their own acceptable standard of "collateral damage" in their bombings in Syria. That will re-set the standards for the rest of the combatants. Already the international community is claiming outrage when the Russians are doing nothing different than what our coalition is doing to a degree or what Israel did and is doing in Gaza. The Russians now dictate what direction the war against ISIL is going to go. They are in control of most of Syria and control the skies over Syria with their anti-aircraft missiles. Nobody is going to bomb any Assad assets in Syria while Russia is there. Russia also supports Iran - who are the only nation with actual troops on the ground effectively going after ISIS. The situation has changed. The coalition will have to go through Putin to get to Assad and have no intention of doing that. Assad is safe as long as Russia is there. The coalition will have to plan another end game in which Assad is in the picture. Edited December 23, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
DogOnPorch Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) The Russians are dropping dumb bombs from Tu-22m/Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers from 30,000 feet. Pin-point accuracy is not a factor. Edited December 23, 2015 by Charles Anthony excessive quoting; [OP] Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
overthere Posted December 23, 2015 Report Posted December 23, 2015 Assad is safe as long as Russia is there. That is ridiculous. Russia would sell out Assad and will in a heartbeat if conditions were right. He knows it too. But for now, their interests coincide but Assads hand gets steadily weaker.. Peace is not possible in Syria as long as Assad is leader. He knows that too. What Russia wants is a guarantee to keep their militiary bases in Syria indefinitely. Russia also wants to be seen inside and outside Russia as 'back in the game' as a major world player, and not as brutal invaders of neighbours. What Assad wants in the end game is not to have him and his entire family strung from nooses on the street in Damascus. He is no doubt resigned to an exile in luxury on the black Sea. He'll get it. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Big Guy Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 That is ridiculous. Russia would sell out Assad and will in a heartbeat if conditions were right. He knows it too. But for now, their interests coincide but Assads hand gets steadily weaker.. Peace is not possible in Syria as long as Assad is leader. He knows that too. What Russia wants is a guarantee to keep their militiary bases in Syria indefinitely. Russia also wants to be seen inside and outside Russia as 'back in the game' as a major world player, and not as brutal invaders of neighbours. What Assad wants in the end game is not to have him and his entire family strung from nooses on the street in Damascus. He is no doubt resigned to an exile in luxury on the black Sea. He'll get it. And who will replace Assad? Some democratic administration that could "guarantee" that Russia keeps their military bases in Syria? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 That is ridiculous. Russia would sell out Assad and will in a heartbeat if conditions were right. He knows it too. Every dictator under our ridiculous thumb knows we'll sell them out just as fast. Everyone knows that too... Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Topaz Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 I found an interesting view of Russia and this topic and wondered what you think of the article and if it would lead to peace or more war. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/putins-struggle-for-a-new-world-order/ar-BBnSeuS?ocid=spartandhp Quote
overthere Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 And who will replace Assad? Some democratic administration that could "guarantee" that Russia keeps their military bases in Syria? I don't know. It won't be easy to find a puppet with so many puppetmasters and competing interests. Democracy is not required for the bases to remain, note the current and past situation . Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
overthere Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 Every dictator under our ridiculous thumb knows we'll sell them out just as fast. Everyone knows that too... But not everybody is in a position to both sell out and help Assad. I think only Iran and Russia are contenders, and Russia really wants and needs their only Mediterranean base ti remain as is. In normal times the dictator scum end up in either Paris or elsewhere in the ME. Assad might find a home in Iran but Russia would be far more friendly. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
eyeball Posted December 24, 2015 Report Posted December 24, 2015 I'm just wondering who we'll sell out, I'm thinking the Sunnis living under ISIS for the moment, they can't seem to get a break no matter which way they turn, and of course the Kurds, probably the people most deserving on the planet for a country of their own. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Big Guy Posted December 25, 2015 Report Posted December 25, 2015 (edited) The situation in Afganistan, Syria and Iraq is taking another turn and becoming clearer - NOT! Russia and the Taliban are now sharing intelligence and fighting ISIS as ISIS begins to gain ground in Afghanistan. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/24/europe/putin-taliban-isis/ Perhaps it is time for review: Russia are the bad guys because we have economic sanctions against them because of Crimea. But Russia are the good guys because they are fighting ISIS along side with us. But it is the bad guy because it is supporting Assad and sharing information with the Taliban. Syria's Assad is a bad guy because he kills his own people and is against Turkey (who is on our side) but Assad is a good guy because he is fighting against ISIS just like us. Iran is a bad guy because it is working on the bomb but it is a good guy because it has ground troops fighting against ISIS with our help. Iraq is a good guy because it is fighting against ISIS but they seem to disappear when the fighting begins. Turkey is a good guy because they are fighting along with us but a bad guy because they are also fighting the Kurds who are fighting along side with us. The Kurds are good guys because they are fighting against ISIS but bad guys because they want to carve out a part of Turkey for themselves. The Americans are .... I give up for now. I have to check the international news media to find out who is fighting with who, against who and supplying arms to whom - this week. Time for Canada to get our planes and people out of that tragic joke called the Middle East before we get caught up in that confused stupidity. Edited December 25, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted December 25, 2015 Report Posted December 25, 2015 Qatar, another one of those countries in the Middle East sitiing on $trillions in oil and watching from the sidelines as the coalition bombs its enemies, is now establishing ties with Russia: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/qatar-russia-agree-syria-peace-plans-151225105442767.html Qatar and Russia have discussed what is needed to catalyse peace talks between the Syrian opposition and President Bashar al-Assad's government, according to the Russian foreign minister. Addressing journalists in Moscow on Friday alongside the Qatari foreign minister, Khalid al-Attiyah, Sergey Lavrov said: "We discussed in detail what's necessary to be done to implement the agreements on the Syrian settlement". So Russia is beginning to "talk" to regional leaders in an attempt to resolve this conflict. Russia - not America. Anybody still think that Russia has not taken charge of what happens in this region? We are being played like a fine fiddle. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted December 25, 2015 Report Posted December 25, 2015 I predict al-Qaeda emerges as the peacemaker. I mean, if Britain can talk to the IRA, and Russia can talk to the Taliban then surely the U.S. can talk with al-Qaeda. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Topaz Posted December 29, 2015 Report Posted December 29, 2015 So what happens when the war with ISIS is over? Does another start over which NATO countries gets to get the natural resources in the region, placing their own head of state in this region also. Quote
Big Guy Posted January 26, 2016 Report Posted January 26, 2016 Looks like the war in Syria is turning towards Assad, Hezbollah and Shia militia from Lebanon. Russian air cover appears to have turned the tide: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/syrian-army-captures-key-southern-town-rebels-160126040829177.html I do not think that the West is prepared to go to a world war over Syria so we should prepare for the fact that Assad may be in full and unchallenged control of Syria very soon. With our new government, Canada will have to again review what our involvement in this area is supposed to accomplish and why we should be there at all. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hoser360 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 I posted something and I don't see it here..? Quote
Guest Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) I posted something and I don't see it here..? Were you mean? Edited February 7, 2016 by bcsapper Quote
Hoser360 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Posted February 7, 2016 I really like to see Canada exit the theater unless our armed forces are assisting in humanitarian aid. It's bad enough that Canada sells weapons to Saudi, but to be bombing USA selected targets... Quote
eyeball Posted February 8, 2016 Report Posted February 8, 2016 I guess they need us for the moral shine we put on the west's depredations. We're like Hobbits except we're on Mordor's side. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Posted February 8, 2016 What moral shine ? That's a myth. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 8, 2016 Report Posted February 8, 2016 Myths are often way more powerful than reality, especially in this day and age. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hoser360 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Posted February 9, 2016 I have spoken with a number of people who lived in Afghanistan during the worst parts of the Empire's illegal occupation and have learned that of all the foreign troops they preferred to deal with the Canadian's most of all. The least favorite was the French and the USA. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 12, 2016 Report Posted February 12, 2016 Looks like the war in Syria may soon be coming to an end.: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/assad-vows-retake-syria-hesitation-160212141345408.html The Russians have also warned other nations to stay out of Syria: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/syria-russian-pm-warns-world-war-troops-160212074839609.html I also notice that there has been a meeting of the coalition and the wording has changed: the battle in Syria is now being referred to as a “CIVIL WAR”. Looks to me like Putin has changed the direction of that conflict and Assad will soon be in control of all of Syria. I am glad to see that our planes are coming home lest one of them wandered into Syrian airspace. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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