Persecuted Christians In America!

[msj]

In regard to the Florida Family Association, there's no question that they have the legal right to do what they're doing. My claim is not that it's against the law, simply that it's a douchebag thing to do. It's a group of 35,000 people (according to them, at least) who have decided that *nobody* should be able to watch a program that they don't approve of, and they are attempting to make sure that nobody can watch this program by targeting the sponsors.

Lowe's Home Improvement pulled ads from the show after FFA announced their boycott. Lowe's is now facing a backlash. Personally, I think that's good. I think that if advertisers are considering the effects of a boycott from scumbags like FFA, they should likewise consider that other potential customers might be offended by a decision to obey the scumbags.

-k

Jon Stewart had a hilarious segment about this: Canada version

[Shady]

Sadly his MO is never to admit defeat. Happened a lot with him, he will just not show up in this thread again, or unless we add about 5 pages to it.

Oh well.

I apologize. I was thinking Canadian Human Rights Act.

[Shady]

Now, if we're talking about a presenter in a private venue being shouted down, that's a different story. The people doing the shouting might have the right to express themselves, but they don't have an unrestricted right to be in that venue, and if they're shouting down a speaker who has been granted the use of the venue, then the people doing the shouting can certainly be removed for trespassing.

Exactly. Which is why I found it odd that you conflated that with a boycott. Remember?

[kimmy]

Yes, but shouting somebody down violates their free speech. Organizing a boycott, or other such activities are freedoms in themselves, and don't infringe on somebody elses similar freedoms.

If they were men, what they would do would be go out and compete in the marketplace of ideas: "we don't think you should watch this show and here's why."

But since they're not men but douchebags, they're targeting advertisers instead. They want to take the decision out of the hands of the person holding the remote control and put it in the hands of a few people in advertising departments. This is really no different from the U of Ottawa student society guy trying to have the venue pulled from Ann Coulter. Florida Family Association is trying to remove the venue from a program they disagree with. Instead of letting the show live or die based on whether people wish to watch it or not, they're trying to make it die by scaring away sponsors. They wish to to take away choice from the viewer using scare tactics and that's something I completely oppose.

You can defend it if you want, but everybody here knows you wouldn't be defending it if some group was trying to get sponsors to drop the Megyn Kelly Patriot Hour.

-k

[kimmy]

Jon Stewart had a hilarious segment about this: Canada version

Thanks. Funny.

-k

[Michael Hardner]

Sadly his MO is never to admit defeat. Happened a lot with him, he will just not show up in this thread again, or unless we add about 5 pages to it.

Oh well.

Thankfully, you were wrong here: Shady admitted his mistake and we can move on. The strength of this board is that you can edify yourself bit-by-bit through these discussions. Shady has good points, even if some of the details need correction sometimes.

[sharkman]

And what Chiquita Banana has done is also pretty lame. Aside from the fact that it's going to be mighty hard to track fuel from providers to ensure that it's not oil sands based, they are assuming that the consumer is going to be in full agreement with this activist stance. Chiquita is facing a backlash as well.

kimmy, on 20 December 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

Now, if we're talking about a presenter in a private venue being shouted down, that's a different story. The people doing the shouting might have the right to express themselves, but they don't have an unrestricted right to be in that venue, and if they're shouting down a speaker who has been granted the use of the venue, then the people doing the shouting can certainly be removed for trespassing.

This is what I was referring to as well in my earlier post, people do not have the rights to shout down those they disagree with in this kind of circumstance.

Edited December 21, 2011 by sharkman

[guyser]

I apologize. I was thinking Canadian Human Rights Act.

Fair enough .

[cybercoma]

I apologize. I was thinking Canadian Human Rights Act.

How insincere can you get? This is what you said when I told you that it was the various human rights acts across Canada that legislated individuals:

Yes, and they all have to be in compliance with the Charter. Just like individual provincial health legislation has to be in compliance with the Canada Health Act.

This is fun though. Keep telling me how not allowing somebody to speak is the same as a boycott, and not a violation of their free speech.

Then you continued to argue that I was wrong when I said individuals couldn't be charged under the Charter, as well as updating your status to insult me.

Edited December 22, 2011 by cybercoma

[Michael Hardner]

How insincere can you get?

You got a concession here. Why push it ? We achieved a modicum of civility for a moment, so can't you move on ? There's more discussion to be had.

[cybercoma]

You got a concession here. Why push it ? We achieved a modicum of civility for a moment, so can't you move on ? There's more discussion to be had.

I'll leave it alone then.

[Uncle 3 dogs]

different story. I'm sure you can tell the difference between a nut bar and a religious person.

To the extent that there is a difference.

[Wolf Larsen]

The beginning of this thread is very funny: there's a sarcastic joke about Christians being persecuted in America.

Of course, we all know it's the opposite. Right wing Christians are trying to impose their religion and their hypocritical "morality" on the rest of us. The right wing Christians are persecuting others with their ignorant bigotry.

People will have far more respect for Christians when most of them start practicing the teachings of Jesus Christ, who was a man who preached tolerance, love, and peace. In contrast, many Christians preach intolerance, hatred, and war.

But I defend the right of these Christians to worship as they choose. But thou shall not shove your religion down my throat! And keep religion, creationism, and other superstitions out of our schools. The last thing we need is some religious fanatics brainwashing yet another generation!

One more thing, it disgusts me the way that many Christians disrespect Muslims. Frankly, there's not much difference between a fanatical Christian and a fanatical Muslim.

However, I do respect moderate Christians and moderate Muslims who are tolerant of others. I am tolerant of them because they are tolerant of others.

[kimmy]

Once upon a time, atheist groups tried to run bus ads with messages like "There's probably no god, so stop worrying and enjoy life." and "You know it's a myth." These ads generated a lot of controversy and were rejected by some advertising agencies and transit companies.

More recently atheist groups have tried ads with less confrontational messages like "You can be good without god." and "Don't believe in god? You're not alone." and these too provoked controversy and anger from some people who felt that they were an affront to their religious beliefs.

That prompted some atheists to wonder, is there any sort of atheist advertising that *wouldn't* offend people? What about really, really, really inoffensive ads? As you can see, some of the suggestions include pictures of fluffy kittens or chocolates, informative messages like "Buses carry many people", and helpful hints like "Drive Safely." Would even ads like this offend?

The North East Pennsylvania Freethought society decided to find out. Rather than kittens or chocolate, they came up with an ad that simply featured the word "Atheists" on a blue background with the web addresses of the sponsor organizations.

But even this ad is apparently too controversial for the streets of Scranton. The transit system has rejected it. The transit system has run advertising for a Holocaust denier website, according to this post, but the word "atheist" is clearly on a completely different level.

So, to bring this post back to the threat title, I congratulate the County of Lackawanna Transit System for standing up for Persecuted Christians in America (or, at least, the Scranton parts of America.) Thanks to the patriots at COLTS, Persecuted Christians will not have their sensibilities offended by having to see the word "Atheist" roll by on buses. Praise be!

-k

[Shakeyhands]

I congratulate the County of Lackawanna Transit System for standing up for Persecuted Christians in America (or, at least, the Scranton parts of America.) Thanks to the patriots at COLTS, Persecuted Christians will not have their sensibilities offended by having to see the word "Atheist" roll by on buses. Praise be!

-k

Thank God.

[Shady]

This thread became relevant again with ABC's new television show, Good Christian Bitches. I'm sure they'd air something similar involving other religions too.

[dre]

This thread became relevant again with ABC's new television show, Good Christian Bitches. I'm sure they'd air something similar involving other religions too.

I know! Poor poor persecuted Christians

[Shady]

Instead of Good Christian Bitches, other groups, like Muslims, get shows like All-American Muslim, and Little Mosque On The Prarie. Yep, no difference there.

[dre]

Instead of Good Christian Bitches, other groups, like Muslims, get shows like All-American Muslim, and Little Mosque On The Prarie. Yep, no difference there.

[Shakeyhands]

This thread became relevant again with ABC's new television show, Good Christian Bitches. I'm sure they'd air something similar involving other religions too.

ZOMG!!!! I hope Christianity can survive this!!!!!

[Shady]

ZOMG!!!! I hope Christianity can survive this!!!!!

Of course. It just goes to show you the double standard. Apparently in just 2 episodes, they've insulted Christians 72 times. Once again, other groups, like Muslims, get shows called All-American Muslims, and Little Mosque On The Prarie.

[Guest American Woman]

This thread became relevant again with ABC's new television show, Good Christian Bitches. I'm sure they'd air something similar involving other religions too.

The name of the book the series is based on is Good Christian Bitches, but the tv series is called simply "GCB," which I've read stands for "Good Christian Belles," so as not to be too offensive.

I think they'd air a similar show about Jews, but not about Muslims.

[GostHacked]

Complete nonsense. Shouting somebody down in an action designed to not allow them to speak absolutely does infringe on their freedom of speech. Come'on man, stop being ridiculous.

Then please stop infringing on my rights and freedom of speech.

[jbg]

This thread became relevant again with ABC's new television show, Good Christian Bitches. I'm sure they'd air something similar involving other religions too.

I was sure that this thread was a joke.

[kimmy]

Instead of Good Christian Bitches, other groups, like Muslims, get shows like All-American Muslim, and Little Mosque On The Prarie. Yep, no difference there.

I feel terrible for the poor Christians... imagine how awful it would be to turn on the TV and find negative stereotypes about people like you. Bitch, please. I'm a natural blonde. Been there, done that. Continuously.

So this show, as I understand it, is like a Bible Belt version of a soap opera. I also read it described as a scripted version of "The Real Housewives of Orange County". I hear that some of the characters are *gasp!* negative portrayals of Christians. How horrible is that?

Imagine the outrage if you could turn on your TV and see Muslim dudes who were actually sleeper cell terrorists that Jack Bauer or NCIS have to track down. Imagine if you could turn on your TV and see Italian mobsters or black gangsters. Imagine the outrage! But no, only Christians face this sort of bigotry.

My heart goes out to the poor persecuted Christians, as always.

Consider it payback for "Touched By An Angel", I guess.

-k