eyeball Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Most of the Christians I know are from sects like United, Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic and they are not conservative or Conservatives. How do they feel about atheists who ask inconvenient questions at opportune times? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 And so atheists have no business asking WWJD because they're atheists? How profoundly odd. Can you read? If so, can you comprehend what you read? Last, but not least, can you point to where I said one thing about atheists ASKING what Jesus would do? Thank you in advance. Quote
blueblood Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Speculating how the guy described in the New Testament would respond to Lou Engle or Fred Phelps (or indeed much of present-day "Christian Right" politics) is a hypothetical question (and an easy one) that requires no belief in the divinity of Jesus or the historical accuracy of the bible, just a knowledge of the description we have in the Bible. You haven't (and you can't) argue otherwise. Not sure what the real issue is here; you seem bent by the idea that non-Christians might have opinions about Christian scripture. Maybe it seems presumptuous or something. Well, we live in nations where everybody-- Christian and non-Christian a like-- has plenty of exposure to Christian theology, and it's not hard to spot instances where the practice doesn't line up with the theory. -k I think your on the right track, but aren't following it to conclusion. He'd be pretty mad at the fundy Christians for misinterpreting his message, however being the kind of guy he was written as, he would probably forgive them for their mistakes, because he'd be a hypocrite if he didn't as forgiveness for mistakes was a big part of his philosophy. Unfortunately for him, if he came today, he'd have to be cooking up some miracles or he'd be in a straight jacket off to the nuthouse quicker than you could say jack Robinson. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Guest Manny Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Unfortunately for him, if he came today, he'd have to be cooking up some miracles or he'd be in a straight jacket off to the nuthouse quicker than you could say jack Robinson. Sure, I don't doubt we would crucify him again. Or label him as a threat to society and lock him up for life. Without charges, of course... Quote
eyeball Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 ...can you point to where I said one thing about atheists ASKING what Jesus would do? Thank you in advance. What I'm saying is I find it odd that people who claim not to believe in God make claims about what Jesus, the son of God, would feel/think/do. You're welcome Can you comprehend what you write? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Unfortunately for him, if he came today, he'd have to be cooking up some miracles or he'd be in a straight jacket off to the nuthouse quicker than you could say jack Robinson. It was rather unfortunate for him that he came when he did, as I don't see being nailed to a cross as a preferable alternative. But yeah, the performing miracles part might be a requirement to set him apart from just any nut who claims to be Jesus. Do you see that as unreasonable? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 You're welcome Can you comprehend what you write? ???????????? "Making claims" about what Jesus would do is not "asking" what Jesus would do. Do you honestly not know the difference between making a claim and asking a question????????? Quote
eyeball Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) "Making claims" about what Jesus would do is not "asking" what Jesus would do. So your point is, it's okay for an atheist to ask what Jesus would do but not claim, suggest, guess, know or presume anything beyond that? BTW can believers do these? Edited November 13, 2011 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Shady Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 How about we all stop asking what Jesus would do, say, or think on a given issue. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 So your point is, it's okay for an atheist to ask what Jesus would do but not claim, suggest, guess, know or presume anything beyond that? BTW can believers do these? My point is that I didn't say anything about atheists ASKING what Jesus would do, as you claimed. And in case you're unaware, WWJD is a rhetorical question. Quote
eyeball Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 My point is that I didn't say anything about atheists ASKING what Jesus would do, as you claimed. And in case you're unaware, WWJD is a rhetorical question. Okay, and what's wrong with an atheist claiming to know the answer to such a question? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Okay, and what's wrong with an atheist claiming to know the answer to such a question? A rhetorical question is meant for personal introspection, not for "answering." As such, I also find it odd that someone who doesn't proclaim to live their life according to Jesus and his teachings would ponder such a question. (Note that "odd" and "wrong" are also two very different things.) Quote
dre Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 A rhetorical question is meant for personal introspection, not for "answering." As such, I also find it odd that someone who doesn't proclaim to live their life according to Jesus and his teachings would ponder such a question. (Note that "odd" and "wrong" are also two very different things.) Its not odd at all. Its entirely commonplace and inevitable. If someone claims they follow a certain doctrine, and others notice that they summarily ignore much of that doctrine, then people are going to point that out. A hindu might do that, or an atheist, or another christian or a jew or anyone else. People notice hypocracy. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 If someone claims they follow a certain doctrine, and others notice that they summarily ignore much of that doctrine, then people are going to point that out. A hindu might do that, or an atheist, or another christian or a jew or anyone else. People notice hypocracy. As I've already said, more than once, that's different from what I've commented on. I've explained it several times now, so I won't be wasting any more time repeating it yet again. Quote
BubberMiley Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 The one thing I love more than anything about this forum is when AW contemptuously talks in circles for pages and pages because she doesn't understand a basic point. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Posted November 13, 2011 I'm an Atheist. My wife is Christian. I was raised Christian. I'll still allow my children to be baptised. Jesus did exist. There is historical Jesus (What we actually know)... and then there is biblical Jesus (What people wrote about after the fact)... and then there is super hero Jesus for the evangelicals (OMG SAVIOUR! Casts out evil and loves everyone except gays, muslims, etc). The religion has people other than Jesus that we are supposed to listen to... people who spread the word after his death. Christians probably understand their religion the least because they aren't thinking about it critically. Saying "you don't know becuase you aren't Christian" is silly. How many times has a Christian actually QUESTIONED their religion critically enough to actually think about it logically? My father told a prayer group that he did and they were shocked and appalled. He simply said "How can I believe if I haven't questioned it?" Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 The one thing I love more than anything about this forum is when AW contemptuously talks in circles for pages and pages because she doesn't understand a basic point. I see. When I make a comment about atheists, it's "contemptuous." It's not simply stating my view same as the atheists are when speaking of Christians. Nooooo. Of course not. And when others continuously claim that I'm saying something I'm not, commenting on something I'm not, and I point it out, I'M "talking in circles" and I'm the one who doesn't understand. Gotcha, Einstein. Not surprising to hear that you love my posts more than anything else on this web board, though; it's been obvious to me for some time that you've been obsessed with me. Kinda creepy, but at least now that you've admitted it perhaps you can work on getting over it. (It'll take time, I'm sure - it's not easy to get over me. ) Thanks for your usual intelligent response when a member of my fan club makes yet another thread all about me. A word of advice, though. You really should be applying for Mensa instead of wasting this kind of intellect on a web board. Saying "you don't know becuase you aren't Christian" is silly. Ok. I'll bite. Who has said that? How many times has a Christian actually QUESTIONED their religion critically enough to actually think about it logically? My father told a prayer group that he did and they were shocked and appalled. He simply said "How can I believe if I haven't questioned it?" I guess your father was oh-so-unique among Christians, eh? Or not. * *That's for all my fans. I wouldn't want to disappoint and ruin your day. Quote
eyeball Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 Saying "you don't know becuase you aren't Christian" is silly. No...it's odd, which is totally different than silly. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 This thread makes baby Jesus cry. Quote
Shady Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 This thread makes baby Jesus cry. That I can agree with. Quote
kimmy Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 How about we all stop asking what Jesus would do, say, or think on a given issue. I will agree to that once Christians agree to not use their faith as a justification for their political positions and to rally other Christians to support them. If James Dobson is going to use his organization to tell his followers that God will stop blessing America if Obama wins the next election, it's entirely reasonable to ask what Jesus would think about that. If Mitt and Newt are going to tell us that their faith makes them more qualified to lead the United States, then it's entirely reasonable to ask whether their positions are actually in line with that faith. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 I will agree to that once Christians agree to not use their faith as a justification for their political positions and to rally other Christians to support them. Why would/should they do that...speech and religion are protected by the US Constitution...regardless of what some dead guy did or didn't do over 2000 years ago. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 I will agree to that once Christians agree to not use their faith as a justification for their political positions and to rally other Christians to support them. No ofense kimmy, but it's really not your place to tell people why or how they hold their positions. Everyone has the FREEDOM to use faith, or not use faith, however they want. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 13, 2011 Report Posted November 13, 2011 No ofense kimmy, but it's really not your place to tell people why or how they hold their positions. As I've said before, that sounds an awful lot like the religious who tell people what they should believe. I can understand criticizing the position, but to expect them not to hold the position is another thing entirely. Quote
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