News of the World Whistleblower Found Dead

[Remiel]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/phone-hacking-whistleblower-found-dead-police-say/article2101000/

Article says that the police are not treating it as suspicious. Which either means the police are lying, or they are stupid. Even if appeared to be suicide or an accident, you would have to be truly moronic to persue it as being suspicious in a situation like this.

Reckless self-endangerment, suicide, or foul play? Because it sure as Hell is not a coincidence.

[Jack Weber]

I'm thinking the elites are a little rattled...

I'm waiting for some specious report about the recently deceased's sexual deviancy...To further publicly smear the man...

And I find this more than a little suspicious!!!

Edited July 20, 2011 by Charles Anthony
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[scribblet]

He did have health problems from drinking and drugs so it's possible he either accidentley ODd, or it was suicide.

[capricorn]

He did have health problems from drinking and drugs so it's possible he either accidentley ODd, or it was suicide.

The other possibility is that he was harassed and coupled with his failing health, he decided to end it.

[BubberMiley]

No, wait. There are even more possibilities.

I like how the story is buried on FoxNews as though it never happened.

Don't mess with NewsCorp.

Edited July 19, 2011 by BubberMiley

[Oleg Bach]

He probably just died. If he was really irritating the powers that be - they would simply cut off his income - screw up and freeze his bank accounts and slowly drive him into sad obscurity and destitution - that`s the way they do it - The so-called elites do not kill people - they just incrimentally ruin them. Only in the movies and with non-established crimminals who are not part of the truely elite system - wack people...To murder someone to shut them up or punish them is not what they do...they take more satisfaction in slow demise and misery _ Makes the elite feel powerful - murder is for hooligans.

[August1991]

Maybe it's just me but I don't understand/care much about this scandal. Maybe if I understood more, then I would care more.

[Oleg Bach]

Maybe it's just me but I don't understand/care much about this scandal. Maybe if I understood more, then I would care more.

All scandal consists of is one evil person pointing at another insisting they are less evil than the other. Really don't care about scandal...either. Scandal has the effect of getting all the attention focused in one area while the others invloved in nasty things make their escape.

[eyeball]

Maybe it's just me but I don't understand/care much about this scandal. Maybe if I understood more, then I would care more.

It's not just you which is probably the best indicator of how normalized sleaze and corruption amongst the wealthiest and most powerful members of society has become. I guess the public's sense is just so over-saturated with the never ending stench of it all that it's virtually immune to it now.

[bloodyminded]

It's true the timing stinks. But if (and I defer to further knowledge) that he did indeed have serious substance abuse issues and a troubled life, I can imagine the act of whistleblowing (which tends to be emotionally difficult, from what I understand) as a sort of final hurrah before checking out.

Edited July 20, 2011 by Charles Anthony
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[scribblet]

Just google it, his liver probably did him in. I suppose this will blossom into another conspiracy theory LOL

Edited July 19, 2011 by scribblet

[Guest American Woman]

What do you mean, you're sure it's not a coincidence? You think a "whistle blower" can't die same as anyone else? According to police, his death is "unexplained but not suspicious." People die. It happens. Even people who blow the whistle.

You have no idea of the circumstances surrounding his death, yet you have declared the police are either stupid or liars. Since they are the ones who were there, why would you think you know more than they do?

Sean Hoare was the kind of reporter who could knock back several whiskeys and a few lines of cocaine before filing salacious stories of celebrity misbehavior.

His lifestyle could have taken its toll.

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[capricorn]

I suppose this will blossom into another conspiracy theory LOL

There's no denying the entertainment value of a good conspiracy theory. Part of the fascination for conspiracy theorists is not being able to get to the bottom of it; information is interpreted in a hundred different ways to support theories. Another whistleblower's story has all the hallmarks a conspiracy. Weapons inspector Dr. David Kelly, was the source of a BBC report which questioned the Blair government's grounds for invading Iraq. Did he or did he not commit suicide? Even the medical community is divided on whether he did.

Dr Kelly's body was found in woods close to his Oxfordshire home seven years ago next month. Although a coroner's inquest was set up to examine the 59-year-old's death, it was suspended.

In its place the Government established the Hutton Inquiry. Unlike a coroner's inquest it had no statutory powers and did not require witnesses to give evidence under oath.

Hutton concluded that Dr Kelly killed himself by cutting his left wrist with a blunt gardening knife after he was named as the source of a BBC news report questioning the Blair government's grounds for invading Iraq.

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But the Hutton Report, published in January 2004, was dismissed by experts as a whitewash for clearing the Government of any blame, despite evidence it had leaked Dr Kelly's name to smear him.

From the time Dr Kelly's body was found, on 18 July 2003, questions have been raised about the nature of his death. A group of leading doctors who are campaigning for a coroner's inquest to be held spent a year compiling their own medical report.

It disputes that Dr Kelly, a Ministry of Defence employee and the world's leading weapons inspector, could have died from haemorrhage, as Hutton concluded.

The doctors said it was not possible he would have died by severing the ulnar artery in his left wrist, as Hutton thought, because it is so small and difficult to access.

It also emerged after the Hutton Inquiry that no fingerprints were found on the knife Dr Kelly is alleged to have used, and that he was not wearing gloves when his body was found.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284116/Tories-ready-reopen-Dr-David-Kelly-suicide-inquiry.html

[jacee]

The guy blew the whistle after being canned for substance abuse problems. He'll be publicly vilified as the disgruntled former employee as the corporates circle the wagons. I'm sure in a vulnerable state of health as he was, the prospect of testifying under those circumstances would weigh heavily. My hat's off to him.

[bloodyminded]

There's no denying the entertainment value of a good conspiracy theory. Part of the fascination for conspiracy theorists is not being able to get to the bottom of it; information is interpreted in a hundred different ways to support theories. Another whistleblower's story has all the hallmarks a conspiracy. Weapons inspector Dr. David Kelly, was the source of a BBC report which questioned the Blair government's grounds for invading Iraq. Did he or did he not commit suicide? Even the medical community is divided on whether he did.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284116/Tories-ready-reopen-Dr-David-Kelly-suicide-inquiry.html

I agree with all this, but I would add that some conspiracy theories are perfectly accurate, as conspiracies happen all the time. Did you hear the one about the Saudi and Egyptian hijackers who flew planes into buildings? That's a conspiracy theory...by definition.

[Topaz]

If some one thinks they are being watched mostly likely they are being watched and there's a lot to lose for the PM and Murdock and for this one guy to know what is happening and found dead is very suspicious. Let me remind of of Dr. Kelly of the UK who also was said to have admitted suicide, if I remember right, he said something against the evidence the invasion of Iraq and the Wmd's. Please correct , if I'm wrong. They also could have taken him out to warn any others who would come forward. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/19/phone-hacking-whistleblower-sean-hoare-found-dead-115875-23280887/

[M.Dancer]

If some one thinks they are being watched mostly likely they are being watched and there's a lot to lose for the PM and Murdock and for this one guy to know what is happening and found dead is very suspicious. Let me remind of of Dr. Kelly of the UK who also was said to have admitted suicide, if I remember right, he said something against the evidence the invasion of Iraq and the Wmd's. Please correct , if I'm wrong. They also could have taken him out to warn any others who would come forward. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/19/phone-hacking-whistleblower-sean-hoare-found-dead-115875-23280887/

What is your first language?

[August1991]

It's not just you which is probably the best indicator of how normalized sleaze and corruption amongst the wealthiest and most powerful members of society has become. I guess the public's sense is just so over-saturated with the never ending stench of it all that it's virtually immune to it now.

Many scandals involve convoluted details but when it's a media scandal, the detail becomes mind-numbing and I tend to grow bored.

What is more incestuous than a media scandal? When media report on other media, it's like two sisters fighting over the same boyfriend, two drunks arguing about a bar bill or two lawyers suing one another. I just don't want to know the details.

Maybe there's some fundamental principle involved but I doubt it.

Edited July 19, 2011 by August1991

[eyeball]

Many scandals involve convoluted details but when it's a media scandal, the detail becomes mind-numbing and I tend to grow bored.

What is more incestuous than a media scandal? When media report on other media, it's like two sisters fighting over the same boyfriend, two drunks arguing about a bar bill or two lawyers suing one another. I just don't want to know the details.

Maybe there's some fundamental principle involved but I doubt it.

How about political scandals? This scandal involves politicians too. Lots of people seem to think details are the most important things in the world when politicians are involved. I don't know though why given principles usually don't have much to do with them either.

[dre]

The death could be related to the scandal without actually being suspicious.

Whistle blowing is a very stressfull activity. Lots people get angry when you expose a bunch of problems in a system or organization. Remember all the little government sychophants screaming for the assasination of Assange?

This guys peers probably hate his guts now... hes was probably ostracized from his previous social circles, etc. He might have just died from the stress that comes from taking on an organization and its supporters, without any crime or conspiracy happening at all.

Edited July 19, 2011 by dre

[bloodyminded]

The death could be related to the scandal without actually being suspicious.

Whistle blowing is a very stressfull activity. Lots people get angry when you expose a bunch of problems in a system or organization. Remember all the little government sychophants screaming for the assasination of Assange?

This guys peers probably hate his guts now... hes was probably ostracized from his previous social circles, etc. He might have just died from the stress that comes from taking on an organization and its supports, without any crime or conspiracy happening at all.

This was my suggestion as well. It's certainly possible.

[Michael Hardner]

What is more incestuous than a media scandal? When media report on other media, it's like two sisters fighting over the same boyfriend, two drunks arguing about a bar bill or two lawyers suing one another. I just don't want to know the details.

Well said !

[Remiel]

What do you mean, you're sure it's not a coincidence? You think a "whistle blower" can't die same as anyone else? According to police, his death is "unexplained but not suspicious." People die. It happens. Even people who blow the whistle.

You have no idea of the circumstances surrounding his death, yet you have declared the police are either stupid or liars. Since they are the ones who were there, why would you think you know more than they do?

Sean Hoare was the kind of reporter who could knock back several whiskeys and a few lines of cocaine before filing salacious stories of celebrity misbehavior.

His lifestyle could have taken its toll.

Just because I said they may have lied does not mean that it would be unjustified lying.

Investigation of crimes (as opposed to criminals) should not be treated like prosecutions. It is not innocent unless proven suspicious. It is suspicious unless proven innocent; at the least when you have an obvious motive and powerful actors involved.

Sure, as other have noted, the additional stress surrounding the media frenzy may have taken its toll. Maybe he drank more and did more drugs, and that killed him. Maybe he knew he was toast, and that is why he spilled. But that is not what I mean by coincidental. Coincidence is the absence of causal connection. It would not be reasonable to believe without good evidence that his death had absolutely nothing to do with how events have played out.

[bud]

yet you have declared the police are either stupid or liars.

since the police took money to do illegal activity which involves news of the world, then it's quite reasonable to assume that they could be lying.

[M.Dancer]

since the police took money to do illegal activity which involves news of the world, then it's quite reasonable to assume that they could be lying.

you have a link for that?