bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) I used to go to demonstrations aimed at the Saskatchewan seal slaughter. We never killed anyone though. Well, seeing as the sealing season is in full swing, I guess we better be prepared for UN workers dying in Beaver Creek, near Saskatoon. Why would people kill poor defenseless baby seals when they know it will cause UN workers to die? Edited April 6, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) I think any notion of the Pastor being provocative or irresponsible is quite beside the point. Edited April 6, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
DogOnPorch Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Well, seeing as the sealing season is in full swing, I guess we better be prepared for UN workers dying in Beaver Creek, near Saskatoon. Why would people kill poor defenseless baby seals when they know it will cause UN workers to die? Ya'll might have a bit o' trouble rustling up a seal in Saskatchewan. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Scotty Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 It's easy to understand why the Middle-East hates America, you all seem to look down your noses at them as if they're inferior to you. Infact you seem to look down upon all non-americans, I mean c'mon, I'm a patriot and everything and believe my country is the best thing to grace this planet since sliced bread but I don't pretend were better than anyone else or look at others as if they're less of a man than I am. Get real. If they're howling savages, why can't we say we're better than them? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 We can't control what they do, only what we do. Maybe, but that sort of thing isn't an indication of a socially or culturally advanced people, now is it? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Guest American Woman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) We can't control what they do, only what we do. This is true, we can't control what they do, so why should we allow them to control what we do? Because that's what you're suggesting. If we don't do what we normally would do because of their threats of violent behavior, they're controlling what they do AND what we do. Edited April 7, 2011 by American Woman Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Ya'll might have a bit o' trouble rustling up a seal in Saskatchewan. Shhhhhhh...that's part of jbg's longstanding joke on seal hunting. Have hakapik...will travel! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Basing one's actions on the threats and murders of extremists, not doing what one normally would do, not exercising one's freedom of expression because of the threats and murders of extremists, IS appeasing them. I guess basing your actions on what might get someone else killed isn't a consideration for you. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Bonam Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 I guess basing your actions on what might get someone else killed isn't a consideration for you. Every time you get behind the wheel of your car you accept that your actions might get someone else killed. Quote
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 No, I am saying that the historical and legal behavior of burning objects in protest is firmly established in the United States...and many other nations....including Islamic nations. It doesn't matter what I approve of....rights are rights....and I approve of them! So some nutcase can spout any swill he wants and I am violating his rights if I call him an irresponsible wanker who deserves a good butt kicking. Is that what you call free speach in the United States? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Every time you get behind the wheel of your car you accept that your actions might get someone else killed. Indeed...your observation is useful here and over on the "hate-Israel-for-intentional-killing" thread. We accept that thousands of "civilians" will die as a direct result of transportation. Edited April 7, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 I guess basing your actions on what might get someone else killed isn't a consideration for you. As I already stated more than once, I believe that letting them control what we do will ultimately result in even more deaths than will otherwise occur. But truthfully, I think it's always a mistake to let a bully dictate our behavior. It means we are being controlled by fear, and letting violence have its way. But this incident aside, people throughout history have stood up for their rights and freedoms knowing that it could get someone else killed, as well as themselves. People have still fought for their causes, and if they hadn't, the world, our country, would be a different place. What this pastor believes he has a right to believe, and he has a right to express it. Whether we agree with him or not. As I already said, freedom of expression doesn't just apply when we're in agreement with what's being expressed. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 So some nutcase can spout any swill he wants and I am violating his rights if I call him an irresponsible wanker who deserves a good butt kicking. Is that what you call free speach in the United States? You can say whatever you please short of a conspiracy to harm his butt or make other "terroristic threats". The cure for abhorrent free speech is yet more free speech. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 What would Jesus do? Almost certainly not burn a Koran. Terry Jones is a not a very good pastor. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) You can say whatever you please short of a conspiracy to harm his butt or make other "terroristic threats". The cure for abhorrent free speech is yet more free speech. Fair enough, how about just irresponsible wanker who should know better? Edited April 7, 2011 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) AW: As I already said, freedom of expression doesn't just apply when we're in agreement with what's being expressed. This notion is somewhat eroded in Canada. Edited April 7, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 As I already stated more than once, I believe that letting them control what we do will ultimately result in even more deaths than will otherwise occur. But truthfully, I think it's always a mistake to let a bully dictate our behavior. It means we are being controlled by fear, and letting violence have its way. But this incident aside, people throughout history have stood up for their rights and freedoms knowing that it could get someone else killed, as well as themselves. People have still fought for their causes, and if they hadn't, the world, our country, would be a different place. What this pastor believes he has a right to believe, and he has a right to express it. Whether we agree with him or not. As I already said, freedom of expression doesn't just apply when we're in agreement with what's being expressed. By doing things that make no sense and only feed your own ego, you are giving them control. Tell me AW, who exactly do you think this donkey is standing up for other than his own 15 minutes of fame, because he got them and someone else paid dearly for them. What I am getting from you two is that an American is entitled to say anything they want without being responsible for the consequences of their words and that anyone who calls them on it should shut the F up. So much for free speech in America. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Fair enough, how about just irresponsible wanker who should no better? That's fine...print it on some T-shirts and become rich! Canadians hate American wankers! But this raises an interesting question: Can someone burn a Qu'ran in Canada without fear of an HRC circus? Edited April 7, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) That's fine...print it on some T-shirts and become rich! Canadians hate American wankers! But this raises an interesting question: Can someone burn a Qu'ran in Canada without fear of an HRC circus? Good thing not all Americans are wankers. Edited April 7, 2011 by GostHacked Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 That's fine...print it on some T-shirts and become rich! Canadians hate American wankers! Good plan. But this raises an interesting question: Can someone burn a Qu'ran in Canada without fear of an HRC circus? Goodness no. You'd be a pariah in about 10 seconds flat. As mentioned, free speech in Canada tends more to if we're all agreeing happily about something. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 By doing things that make no sense and only feed your own ego, you are giving them control. While what he did makes no sense to you, it did make sense to him. He had a purpose. We don't have to agree with it. That's the point I've been making. Tell me AW, who exactly do you think this donkey is standing up for other than his own 15 minutes of fame, because he got them and someone else paid dearly for them.\Who gave him his 15 minutes of fame? The media. The world at large. Seems to me they are responsible too, then, according to your line of thought. What I am getting from you two is that an American is entitled to say anything they want without being responsible for the consequences of their words and that anyone who calls them on it should shut the F up. So much for free speech in America. Who was told to shut the F up?? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 ...Goodness no. You'd be a pariah in about 10 seconds flat. As mentioned, free speech in Canada tends more to if we're all agreeing happily about something. Krikey! But it's OK to burn US flags...right? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Krikey! But it's OK to burn US flags...right? Anti-Americanism is rife in Canada. I'm not sure about flag burning (doubt anyone would care) but America has always been a target of jokes and the like. Like Canada is perfect...there are a LOT of smug Canadians if you haven't noticed. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 That's fine...print it on some T-shirts and become rich! Canadians hate American wankers! But this raises an interesting question: Can someone burn a Qu'ran in Canada without fear of an HRC circus? I don't hate anyone, it is a selfish, destructive emotion. Answer to your question is probably not. What I don't understand is when I do express my opinion which has nothing to do with free speech, all I get is a 1st Amendment lecture from you and AW. I'm really starting to wonder what your idea of free speech means. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 While what he did makes no sense to you, it did make sense to him. He had a purpose. We don't have to agree with it. That's the point I've been making. I don't care what makes sense to him, I do care what his actions mean for others. \ Who gave him his 15 minutes of fame? The media. The world at large. Seems to me they are responsible too, then, according to your line of thought. So now it is the media's fault. Anyone but him will do. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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