Bonam Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 I don't hate anyone, it is a selfish, destructive emotion. Answer to your question is probably not. What I don't understand is when I do express my opinion which has nothing to do with free speech, all I get is a 1st Amendment lecture from you and AW. I'm really starting to wonder what your idea of free speech means. No one is trying to deny you your right to express your opinion. In fact, most of us agree with your opinion of the pastor: irresponsible, douchebag, etc. But, he is NOT responsible for the deaths, and he should have every right to do what he did. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) I don't hate anyone, it is a selfish, destructive emotion. Understood...but you can pretend to for profit! Answer to your question is probably not. What I don't understand is when I do express my opinion which has nothing to do with free speech, all I get is a 1st Amendment lecture from you and AW. I'm really starting to wonder what your idea of free speech means. Now you are being coy...we have not diminished your right to pontificate on the errors of a Florida pastor. We have only disagreed with your unproven assumption of his responsibility and culpability for murders half way round the world. We have free speech rights too...just like you! PS: Sorry you can't burn shit in Canada...it's a lot of fun! Edited April 7, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 No one is trying to deny you your right to express your opinion. In fact, most of us agree with your opinion of the pastor: irresponsible, douchebag, etc. But, he is NOT responsible for the deaths, and he should have every right to do what he did. The Imams who were looking for the next big outrage are certainly accountable. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Saipan Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 his own 15 minutes of fame, because he got them and someone else paid dearly for them. Somebody paid dearly for Islam. We may burn paper, they burn people. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Somebody paid dearly for Islam. We may burn paper, they burn people. Some wish to treat these folks like they're children not responsible for their own actions. T'is the Western way. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 PS: Sorry you can't burn shit in Canada...it's a lot of fun! They do burn stuff in Canada: Canadians hurl abuse at U.S. hockey players Canadians barrage U.S. children with insults, burn flag .... A road trip for a group of U.S. peewee hockey players to a tournament in Montreal turned into a foray into enemy territory as the boys were barraged with anti-American insults and witnessed protesters trashing the American flag, reports the Globe and Mail. Hundreds of college students were marching through the streets in an anti-war demonstration and seized upon the bus as a target for its anti-U.S. venom. Several demonstrators made obscene gestures toward the bus, and an American flag was dragged through the street. At another demonstration, the Americans watched as a crowd cheered when a protester waved the Iraqi flag, and booed the U.S. flag. Next, the Stars and Stripes were doused with kerosene and ignited. "It went up in a puff of smoke and flames, and the crowd went wild. They were all cheering," said parent Bill Carpenter. Evidently this type of behavior is ok since no Americans rioted or killed anyone in response. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) "If America was trying to keep the bubonic plague out of its hemisphere, Canadians would import it just to show their independence of American foreign policy." -Canadian Author Barbara Amiel JJ's Complete guide to Canada Edited April 7, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Understood...but you can pretend to for profit! Now you are being coy...we have not diminished your right to pontificate on the errors of a Florida pastor. We have only disagreed with your unproven assumption of his responsibility and culpability for murders half way round the world. We have free speech rights too...just like you! PS: Sorry you can't burn shit in Canada...it's a lot of fun! Really, then why all the posts pontificating on the first amendment? I've never questioned his right. My assumption is no less proved than yours. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 They do burn stuff in Canada: ....Evidently this type of behavior is ok since no Americans rioted or killed anyone in response. Hmmmmmm....there must be an HRC exclusion for Americans! "Damn Americans...I hate those bastards!" Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Really, then why all the posts pontificating on the first amendment? I've never questioned his right. My assumption is no less proved than yours. You maintain that he is responsible for the murder(s)...you are wrong...that is my assumption! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Saipan Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Yes, we have problem with Quebec. Trudeau had to send tanks there and declared Martial Law. Would be nice to cut it and set adrift. But that's just dream Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 You maintain that he is responsible for the murder(s)...you are wrong...that is my assumption! Ditto. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Hmmmmmm....there must be an HRC exclusion for Americans! "Damn Americans...I hate those bastards!" You'll like this... http://www.filibustercartoons.com/New%20Canada%20Guide/index.php?page=themselves http://www.filibustercartoons.com/New%20Canada%20Guide/index.php?page=americans Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 No one is trying to deny you your right to express your opinion. In fact, most of us agree with your opinion of the pastor: irresponsible, douchebag, etc. But, he is NOT responsible for the deaths, and he should have every right to do what he did. Not everyone here shares that opinion of the pastor methinks. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 You maintain that he is responsible for the murder(s)...you are wrong...that is my assumption! I maintain he bears some responsibility, if only by knowing he was going to stir up a hornets nest but going ahead with it anyway and letting someone else bear the consequences. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Not everyone here shares that opinion of the pastor methinks. Really? I think he's a red-neck creationist idiot. Who likes Rev Jones?...hands up. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 You'll like this... http://www.filibustercartoons.com/New%20Canada%20Guide/index.php?page=themselves http://www.filibustercartoons.com/New%20Canada%20Guide/index.php?page=americans Wow...that was excellent. You could have saved me four years of effort! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 You'll like this... http://www.filibustercartoons.com/New%20Canada%20Guide/index.php?page=themselves http://www.filibustercartoons.com/New%20Canada%20Guide/index.php?page=americans I've actually seen that before and it definitely made me chuckle. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 I've actually seen that before and it definitely made me chuckle. --- BC2004: Wow...that was excellent. You could have saved me four years of effort! That's how we think...no keeding. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 --- That's how we think...no keeding. It's all aboot hating those damn Americans, eh? Quote
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 Really? I think he's a red-neck creationist idiot. Who likes Rev Jones?...hands up. Try turning the question around. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 It's all aboot hating those damn Americans, eh? Not so much hating Americans...just smug that Americans are inferior due to the reasons given in that link. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 It's all aboot hating those damn Americans, eh? I don't care for your government and where it's taken you. I don't like our Canadian government for the same reasons. I don't mind Americans. Quote
Wilber Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 It's all aboot hating those damn Americans, eh? There is a lot of truth to those links but it makes it just as easy to write off any criticism as "just Anti Americanism". Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Posted April 7, 2011 What this pastor believes he has a right to believe, and he has a right to express it. Whether we agree with him or not. As I already said, freedom of expression doesn't just apply when we're in agreement with what's being expressed. This was my point too. If you don't support the freedom of speech for those with whom you disagree...then you don't support it, period. North Koreans are not restricted at all in saying nice things about their leader. They're completely free to do that. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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