Federal Election Polls

[BubberMiley]

I don't thinks kids up to 10 yrs old should be learning about oral and anal sex and about transgender and such. Let these kids be kids and quit trying to make them into good little sex toys for perverts.

You're misrepresenting the curriculum and sexualizing it out of context, which I think is sort of perverted. And I guess keeping kids in the dark about the world around them makes them into good little sex toys for perverts.

[PIK]

No I am not. That is why the MSM is keeping a lid on it.

[Michael Hardner]

No I am not. That is why the MSM is keeping a lid on it.

The Sun is the MSM.

[PIK]

The only one that reports the stuff the rest of the liberal dominated MSM will not.

[J-inTJr.]

If we could get back to the actual topic of this thread for just a second, recent polling trends have made it abundantly clear that Trudeau's amazing free ride at the top of the polls despite having virtually no relevant education or experience or accomplishments or policy pronouncements relevant to the PM role is now at an end.

PM Harper is now about 4 points up on Trudeau in the "who would make the best prime minister" question and the two parties are dead even give or take a single point in the polling averages.

As 2015 unwinds and voters start to actually pay some attention to the leaders, parties and platforms, Stephen Harper has only one way to go and that is straight back up to the top to become the only prime minister other than MacDonald and Laurier to win four elections in a row.

Put your money on it now while you can still get decent odds on your bet.

[PrimeNumber]

If we could get back to the actual topic of this thread for just a second, recent polling trends have made it abundantly clear that Trudeau's amazing free ride at the top of the polls despite having virtually no relevant education or experience or accomplishments or policy pronouncements relevant to the PM role is now at an end.

I'm just curious here but what do you consider relevant education, experience, accomplishments or policy pronouncements when running for Prime minister of Canada?

Please note I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau either I'm just wondering what the qualifications are for one to be deemed relevant for the post of PM.

[J-inTJr.]

Prime ... Good and tough question. Let me suggest that when applying to take over the biggest and most consequential and most complex executive job in the country it is best that one has already run something other than one's mouth, i.e. has some executive experience. (This is why, for example, former governors (e.g. FDR, Reagan, Clinton) tend to make much more effective presidents than do senators like Obama and why the Americans are highly likely to choose a sitting or former governor over a sitting or former senator in 2016.) In addition to executive experience, it would be neat if the candidate has actual accomplishments or successes to point to in their executive careers. As for education, some fields of study are obviously more relevant than others, for example economics and business administration and finance and law and history are all helpful to get off to a quick and successful start and to be less reliant on the counsel/brainwashing of the bureaucracy. As to policy pronouncements, Trudeau has made almost none and while I realize that - at least based on the Chretien platform of 1993 and the McGuinty Ontario platform of 2003 - Liberals are going to lie through their teeth in terms of election promises, I am an old fashioned guy who believes in simple notions like policy commitments and accountability to the electorate.

- I could go on and on but you tell me if you really think that the most consequential and difficult executive job in the land should go to a management novice and if so for heaven's sake enlighten me as to why. Last time I looked, there was no management training program in the PM's office.

[PrimeNumber]

Prime ... Good and tough question. Let me suggest that when applying to take over the biggest and most consequential and most complex executive job in the country it is best that one has already run something other than one's mouth, i.e. has some executive experience. (This is why, for example, former governors (e.g. FDR, Reagan, Clinton) tend to make much more effective presidents than do senators like Obama and why the Americans are highly likely to choose a sitting or former governor over a sitting or former senator in 2016.) In addition to executive experience, it would be neat if the candidate has actual accomplishments or successes to point to in their executive careers. As for education, some fields of study are obviously more relevant than others, for example economics and business administration and finance and law and history are all helpful to get off to a quick and successful start and to be less reliant on the counsel/brainwashing of the bureaucracy. As to policy pronouncements, Trudeau has made almost none and while I realize that - at least based on the Chretien platform of 1993 and the McGuinty Ontario platform of 2003 - Liberals are going to lie through their teeth in terms of election promises, I am an old fashioned guy who believes in simple notions like policy commitments and accountability to the electorate.

- I could go on and on but you tell me if you really think that the most consequential and difficult executive job in the land should go to a management novice and if so for heaven's sake enlighten me as to why. Last time I looked, there was no management training program in the PM's office.

I wouldn't give it to Trudeau either. But if Education is the ultimate deciding factor I'd choose Muclair and May over both Trudeau and Harper. If we're talking experience well then Harper would for obvious reasons be the winner there not that more experience ever means you're better at something. All of the four major political parties in Canada have leaders with vast accomplishments one not really being more relevant than another. And policy pronouncements well I'd have to award that one to the Elizabeth May and the Green Party who has without a doubt the most comprehensive policy plan booklet I have seen among the four majors. Most won't have all of their official policies out until next year. The NDP has made some plans, we haven't heard much concrete from the libs and the cons major political policy so far is "weed is bad mmmkay kids."

They have failed on almost all of their major policy promises' that got them elected including;

- their failure to overturn gun control

- their failure to "clean up Ottawa"

- their failure to become more transparent

- their tax break failures

- their failure to invest in responsible research

- their drug control failure, which will always be a failure but a promise is a promise.

- their better health care system failure

- their student tuition and support for students failures

- their utter failure of everything to do with veterans

- their failure to strengthen the powers of federal auditors

- their accountability failures

- their freedom of information failures

- their failure to address the shortage of skilled workers and their utter botched attempts at fixing the foreign workers programs.

- their softwood lumber failures.

I also could go on and on but you can read this

trustbreaker.freehostia.com/CON Election Platform.htm

and tell me what they did deliver on.

[jbg]

As 2015 unwinds and voters start to actually pay some attention to the leaders, parties and platforms, Stephen Harper has only one way to go and that is straight back up to the top to become the only prime minister other than MacDonald and Laurier to win four elections in a row.

Put your money on it now while you can still get decent odds on your bet.

I pray you're right. Until I just looked it up I had not realized that Macdonald won four elections in a row. I knew he won the first one and after Mackenzie he again won. I didn't know it was so many times in a row. Ditto Laurier.

[jacee]

Prime ... Good and tough question. Let me suggest that when applying to take over the biggest and most consequential and most complex executive job in the country it is best that one has already run something other than one's mouth, i.e. has some executive experience. (This is why, for example, former governors (e.g. FDR, Reagan, Clinton) tend to make much more effective presidents than do senators like Obama and why the Americans are highly likely to choose a sitting or former governor over a sitting or former senator in 2016.) In addition to executive experience, it would be neat if the candidate has actual accomplishments or successes to point to in their executive careers.

What did Harper ever run, manage or accomplish before politics?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper

he found work in the mail room at Imperial Oil. Later, he advanced to work on the company's computer systems.

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Edited December 15, 2014 by jacee

[Topaz]

Since most of his MP's are from Ontario, its going to be that provinces that either votes him back in or sings the Beatle song "yesterday". I'm sure Harper is concerned because Ontario is getting a billion dollars they short change it last year. I just hope the Tories play fair in the election but that could be asking too much for them.

[PIK]

Harper built the party he led to victory.. And he was told many times you are going any where, where trudeau has been handed his on a platter and is now destroying his party. He is a total control freak and has already broke his few promises already. You think the general has a chance of winning now or the others in the ridings where Justin imposed his will.

[Keepitsimple]

Trudeau's lack of leadership experience/skills manifests itself in his repeated attempts to demonstrate leadership. Unfortunately, it seems every time he breaks with the backroom boys' carefully prepared scripts - he puts his foot in his mouth. Canadians have not seen one serious discussion from Trudeau other than fuzzy platitudes.

Partisan? Not really.....if Marc Garneau was the Liberal leader, I'm pretty sure I might consider voting Liberal again - at least I'd give it some serious thought. But Trudeau is such an empty vessel, it ticks me off that the Liberal power brokers would try to fool Canadians by putting this amateur in a protective bubble.

Edited December 15, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[J-inTJr.]

jbg ... Yes, Sir John won 4 out of 5 including his last four elections and he passed away at age 76 within weeks of winning his final campaign in 1891. Don't bother to look these things up, LOL. In the immortal words of Muhammad Ali, "If I tell you a bumblebee can pull a plough, don't argue, hitch him up".

The momentum has now shifted to Harper who was trailing Trudeau by fully ten points just this past summer on the question of who voters would prefer as prime minister and is now leading by four points and, as I said, can only go up from here once uncommitted Canadian voters begin to focus more closely on the leaders, the issues, the party platforms and the records of results from which they can choose.

It is the uncommitted voters, that 35-45% of generally moderate Canadians, who decide elections not the committed ones who will never be swayed from their biases by such oddities as facts, stats, reason and comparative analysis.

Reading a couple of the truly absurd Harper hating posts here in this last segment - posts too ridiculous to merit responses - illustrates perfectly what I mean by the "committed" voters who, in some cases, probably deserve to be committed and who meet Churchill's definition of a fanatic - "someone who won't change their mind and won't change the subject".

[marcus]

What did Harper ever run, manage or accomplish before politics?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper

he found work in the mail room at Imperial Oil. Later, he advanced to work on the company's computer systems.

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He roped people in with the empty promises and scare tactics, then got his 37% majority votes and voila. Of course, now, he has the on the job training as PM that Trudeau doesn't have and a more experienced, conservative hair colour and style.

[marcus]

I'm committed to not voting for Harper due to the fact that he has failed more than not. I'm just not sure who I will vote for; Liberals, Greens or NDP. They all have positives and negatives as well. I just know that I don't like the way Harper has tried to mold Canada in the too many years he's been the leader. It's time for a change.

[PrimeNumber]

He roped people in with the empty promises and scare tactics, then got his 37% majority votes and voila. Of course, now, he has the on the job training as PM that Trudeau doesn't have and a more experienced, conservative hair colour and style.

Exactly what I was trying to say. The Partisan of the posters above is showing in their complete disregard for talking about any other political party than The Cons and The Libs. They only speak of Trudeau's hair and his lack of experience. They don't speak of Harper's shortcomings ever. They are partisan voters and will vote Conservative regardless of anything else.

[PrimeNumber]

I'm committed to not voting for Harper due to the fact that he has failed more than not. I'm just not sure who I will vote for; Liberals, Greens or NDP. They all have positives and negatives as well. I just know that I don't like the way Harper has tried to mold Canada in the too many years he's been the leader. It's time for a change.

His empty promises are hugely evident in non-partisan voters. I know many people who voted for him based on his election platform, of which there's evidence he hasn't delivered on any of it. In fact he's gone the opposite way on all of it. Many people are sick of his total lack of disregard for his promises to his voters and he should be held accountable for that. But accountability has never been a conservative strong point.

[PIK]

Harper has come thru on most of his promises, more then any other PM and he is now one of the most respected statesman in the world.

Edited December 15, 2014 by PIK

[PrimeNumber]

Harper has come thru on most of his promises, more then any other PM and he is now one of the most respected statesman in the world.

How many is most? 75 percent? 50 percent? 25 percent?

Help us out and name a few than. I posted the conservative election platform a few posts back, you can use it as a guide if you're having trouble.

[jbg]

Harper has come thru on most of his promises, more then any other PM and he is now one of the most respected statesman in the world.

He's also probably Canada's greatest PM ever. Macdonald without the booze.

[Keepitsimple]

How many is most? 75 percent? 50 percent? 25 percent?

Help us out and name a few than. I posted the conservative election platform a few posts back, you can use it as a guide if you're having trouble.

Why not actually read their election platform instead of posting made-up drivel? To answer your question, you can make an effective argument that they've addressed - either in whole or large part - the vast majority of their intentions. Being a partisan on the opposite side, you might not like some of them - but they've pretty well said what they meant - and done what they said.

Link: http://www.conservative.ca/media/2012/06/ConservativePlatform2011_ENs.pdf

Edited December 17, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[PrimeNumber]

Why not actually read their election platform instead of posting made-up drivel? To answer your question, you can make an effective argument that they've addressed - either in whole or large part - the vast majority of their intentions. Being a partisan on the opposite side, you might not like some of them - but they've pretty well said what they meant - and done what they said.

Link: http://www.conservative.ca/media/2012/06/ConservativePlatform2011_ENs.pdf

In my previous post I did so, you can refute any of it if you like. Being a partisan on their side of course you won't accept that.

Edited December 17, 2014 by PrimeNumber

[Keepitsimple]

Harper lifts Tories ahead of Liberals in latest polls

The Abacus Data poll is the latest to find an increase in Conservative fortunes ahead of the looming federal election, scheduled for next October. Mr. Harper’s government has rolled out new announcements this fall ahead of next year’s anticipated balanced budget.

Nationally, the Conservatives now sit at 34 per cent support among committed voters, with the Liberals at 33 per cent, a narrow lead within the margin of error, according to the poll released Tuesday.

Half the country now thinks Canada is headed in the right direction, and more people have a favourable view of Mr. Harper, the Abacus poll shows, calling it a “sizeable shift” in sentiment. The share of respondents holding a negative view of Mr. Harper has also declined from 46 per cent to 38 per cent in the past nine months

Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-approval-ratings-on-the-rise-poll-finds/article22192656/

[PIK]

Harper now in front.