socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 Maybe you could choose a name that would better reflect your current views. Like neoconservative or maybe neofascist. Neo fascist? Are you being serious? Maybe you should have accused me of being a Liberal Fascist. When I started this forum I was a die hard socialist, hence my name. My thoughts have changed since that time and I see socialism as a scourge to society. If I could change my name I would, but I don't think I can. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 Leger has the Conservatives in third? Huh? Polls this far out may be interesting but are hardly definitive. So why do so many people posting here have their drawers in a knot about this little poll? Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Vancouver King Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 The polls show only that the electorate is going through a bi-polar stage ... results all over the map. Tell us more about this mass psychosis... Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
CPCFTW Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 Neo fascist? Are you being serious? Maybe you should have accused me of being a Liberal Fascist. When I started this forum I was a die hard socialist, hence my name. My thoughts have changed since that time and I see socialism as a scourge to society. If I could change my name I would, but I don't think I can. I was the same as you.. I was a die hard socialist from around 16-20ish, then flip flopped pretty quickly into a die hard fiscal conservative. I think getting an education in business/finance and starting to pay taxes has that effect on people. Business/financial education should really be a part of high school curriculums if we're going to give 18 year olds the right to vote to seize assets from other members of society to fuel their childish utopian dreams. Quote
socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) I was the same as you.. I was a die hard socialist from around 16-20ish, then flip flopped pretty quickly into a die hard fiscal conservative. I think getting an education in business/finance and starting to pay taxes has that effect on people. Business/financial education should really be a part of high school curriculums if we're going to give 18 year olds the right to vote to seize assets from other members of society to fuel their childish utopian dreams. Yes, finally someone who understands. I'm glad it happened to me and I'm embarrassed at my past ways. As for HS curricula; they are more concerned about Social Justice. The education system is run by the left. Edited August 16, 2015 by socialist Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted August 16, 2015 Report Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) The latest poll, Leger/Le Devoir, has your party in third place - down 5 points in a month - and the PMO scandal is just ramping up and going nowhere. Corruption tends to do this to those seeking re-election. Only 2,095 Canadians participated in this survey. Completely ridiculous to predict an NDP win here, even minority. Whoever gets elected however, will be a minority government. With Mulcair and Trudeau, no platforms or plans from either, I still like the devil I know. If you disagree, I will predict also that you will be very disappointed in either leader. Both of them will put in place policies you will not agree with, will do favour for their friends, will keep the Senate and appoint more Senators, will lie, cheat, etc. So, take off your rosy glasses and brace on for higher income tax, a carbon tax on top of that, higher HST, programs cancelled. You will have to live with all that and I bet the whining will start immediately after the election. . Edited August 16, 2015 by socialist Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 The latest poll, Leger/Le Devoir, has your party in third place - down 5 points in a month - and the PMO scandal is just ramping up and going nowhere. Corruption tends to do this to those seeking re-election. Once Canadians will hear what actual carbon reduction targets Mulcair will set if he forms government, the shift towards the CPC will take place. I am not worried about any polls taken now. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Vancouver King Posted August 17, 2015 Report Posted August 17, 2015 Only 2,095 Canadians participated in this survey. This is about twice the size of the usual poll sample. Here is another interesting fact from the Leger poll: In answer to the question, "would you prefer to see the current government re-elected?", only 23% answered yes - less than the 27% who supported the Tories in the same poll. When a governing party's own supporters favor a change in gov't it's a good bet they are in deep trouble. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
Canada_First Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 I'll take whatever mix it comes in as long as we get our democracy back. Explain how you've personally suffered from our lack of democracy according to you. have you been unlawfully detained? Have you been denied the ability to leave the country? Have G-men kicked down your door and aressted you or even seartched your home? Has the government seized your assets? Please explain. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 Neo fascist? Are you being serious? Maybe you should have accused me of being a Liberal Fascist. When I started this forum I was a die hard socialist, hence my name. My thoughts have changed since that time and I see socialism as a scourge to society. If I could change my name I would, but I don't think I can. And when did you start this forum? 1850? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
PIK Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 The people have not even started to pay attention. And how is their energy plan coming, I hear they don't have one ,except to just leave the oil in the ground. Mulcair's 15 minutes will come to a crashing end. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Vancouver King Posted August 18, 2015 Report Posted August 18, 2015 The people have not even started to pay attention. And how is their energy plan coming, I hear they don't have one ,except to just leave the oil in the ground. Mulcair's 15 minutes will come to a crashing end. Rachel Notley's 15 minutes turned into 4 years. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
Evening Star Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Abacus: NDP 35 - CPC 29 - LPC 26 http://abacusdata.ca/election-2015-ndp-leads-but-70-of-voters-up-for-grabs/ Insightrix: CPC 39 - NDP 35 in SK http://www.canada.com/Poll+puts+Tories+lead+Sask+voter+intention/11298123/story.html Quote
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Nanos: CPC 32 NDP 29 LPC 29 Ontario: CPC 42 NDP 23 http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/election-2015-ontario-voters-push-conservatives-to-slight-lead-in-nanos-polling-1.2521476 Who's to be believed? (and yes, I know that Nanos uses a 4 week rolling average, but the CPC number is up). Quote
Evening Star Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Oh wow, that one's interesting. It shows the LPC and NDP in a tie. Quote
socialist Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Nanos: CPC 32 NDP 29 LPC 29 Ontario: CPC 42 NDP 23 http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/election-2015-ontario-voters-push-conservatives-to-slight-lead-in-nanos-polling-1.2521476 Who's to be believed? (and yes, I know that Nanos uses a 4 week rolling average, but the CPC number is up). I wonder what has caused the CPC to have such a large lead in Ontariowe? Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 If I recall, Nanos is the most accurate pollster. Quote
Evening Star Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Nanos and Abacus were both pretty close near the election day last time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2011 Quote
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 It's interesting that they're so far apart. Quote
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 What I find interesting from that chart - the NDP has barely moved since the last election. It's the Liberals that have come up at the extent of the Conservatives. Quote
Evening Star Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Raises some questions about the 'vote-splitting' story we always hear. Quote
Smallc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 This election is very interesting, and nothing like has been seen for a long time. Quote
Vancouver King Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Like 2 other recent polls, the Ontario numbers are hard to believe. Another outlier? Probably. BTW, Nanos holds the all time record for calling an election -(I believe it was the 2004 federal election) - Nanos predicted the exact percentages of all 5 major party results to a hundredth of a point. An amazing performance. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
cybercoma Posted August 19, 2015 Report Posted August 19, 2015 Nanos: CPC 32 NDP 29 LPC 29 Ontario: CPC 42 NDP 23 http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/election-2015-ontario-voters-push-conservatives-to-slight-lead-in-nanos-polling-1.2521476 Who's to be believed? (and yes, I know that Nanos uses a 4 week rolling average, but the CPC number is up). Nanos's numbers are all messed up due to his methods. Polling 250 people each week, then stitching together the sample is a poor way of gauging public opinion during a campaign, when opinion can vary wildly from week to week. More importantly, 250 people getting weighted to be representative of a population of 35 million is not very good. We have an unrepresentative sample being weighted, then stitched together with other unrepresentative samples that are also weighted. His numbers are delayed and muddled in large margins of error. He should have never changed his methodology. The results of his party power and leadership indices show how far off his popular support numbers are. Quote
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