On Guard for Thee Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 No one, other than people with very short memories, faults them for this. What does memory have to do with anything? We are in recession right now. Look where our petro loonie is, right now. Look at the lay offs in Fort Mac. right now. I suspect a lot of people blame them for a lot of what wrong right now, and the polls seem to reflect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 What does memory have to do with anything? We are in recession right now. Look where our petro loonie is, right now. Look at the lay offs in Fort Mac. right now. I suspect a lot of people blame them for a lot of what wrong right now, and the polls seem to reflect that. The polls reflect the general situation, not the fault for it. If people do fault them for it, then they have a lack of understanding of the issues. They didn't cause either recession or any of the deficits. To say otherwise is to out and out lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 The polls reflect the general situation, not the fault for it. If people do fault them for it, then they have a lack of understanding of the issues. They didn't cause either recession or any of the deficits. To say otherwise is to out and out lie. does a sitting government hold no accountability for how it's policy/positions/actions reflect upon recessionary impact? Standard member 'Smallc', "let them skate" approach to analyzing anything Harper Conservatives do... or don't do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 The polls reflect the general situation, not the fault for it. If people do fault them for it, then they have a lack of understanding of the issues. They didn't cause either recession or any of the deficits. To say otherwise is to out and out lie. Oh, and here I thought you guys were liking to poke fun at JT for saying budgets balance themselves. Now it seems you are enforcing the concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Oh, and here I thought you guys were liking to poke fun at JT for saying budgets balance themselves. Now it seems you are enforcing the concept. Harper budgets don't balance themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 does a sitting government hold no accountability for how it's policy/positions/actions reflect upon recessionary impact? Standard member 'Smallc', "let them skate" approach to analyzing anything Harper Conservatives do... or don't do! If you actually talked to people, rather than constantly insulting them and giving them little nicknames, you might get more people to respond to you. The reality is this - as you've already said, Canada came through the 2009 financial crisis in very good shape. That was because of past Liberal policies that were generally continued by the Conservatives (I'm not convinced that the Trudeau Liberals would do the same...I'm not even sure that Trudeau actually believes the things he says). The Conservatives have not done anything to stand in the way of the oil and gas industry, that's true, but neither would anyone else have. Further, the Conservatives continued policies that subsidized manufacturing. They can't be blamed for either recession. As for the deficits, the Conservatives, post 2008 parliamentary crisis, actually wanted to spend - LESS - money than was spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Oh, and here I thought you guys were liking to poke fun at JT for saying budgets balance themselves. Now it seems you are enforcing the concept. Governments balance budgets with revenue and expense control. You seem to have a very short memory as to why expenses were so high in the last quarter of 2008, 2009, 2010, and the first quarter of 2011. The deficit has come down very rapidly, through expense control during worldwide growth weakness that has been mirrored in Canada. Edited August 22, 2015 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Harper budgets don't balance themselves We know. But it's not their fault. Never. Not all 8 of 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Governments balance budgets with revenue and expense control. You seem to have a very short memory as to why expenses were so high in the last quarter of 2008, 2009, 2010, and the first quarter of 2011. The deficit has come down very rapidly, through expense control during worldwide growth weakness that has been mirrored in Canada. Is that how they have added 150 billion to the national debt then, with rapidly decreasing deficits? Interesting math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 As for the deficits, the Conservatives, post 2008 parliamentary crisis, actually wanted to spend - LESS - money than was spent. except, the standard Harper Conservative line is to never acknowledge the pre-positioning of prior Liberal governments... while shamelessly touting their prowess in handling the 2008 recession. On one hand, hypocritical Harper Conservatives/supporters champion that stimulus spending as one of the means that allowed Canada to 'work through the recession'... on the other hand, we forever hear about how, "the Liberals/NDP made us do it... they made spend all that stimulus... we didn't want to do it, but they made us!!!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 No one, other than people with very short memories, faults them for this. Your party depends on limited public awareness of issues when it indulges in character assassination attack ads. The same public - with little care for details - holds the Conservatives generally accountable for economic issues on their watch. Politics can be unfair, this time - for a change - circumstances have the Tories suffering the public's indifference to detail. Live by the sword, die by the sword... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 This time around, the Opposition Parties will have the power. Even if the Tory got a minority, I would think the other parties would call a non-confidence vote and then the GG would have to ask the two parties if they could create a government.... I would honestly be surprised. Historically, the LPC has propped up the Conservatives. They will especially do this now as well for a couple reasons. 1) If Trudeau steps down, they'll need to rebuild....again. However, he may not depending on how they do. 2) The extended campaign is going to stretch party finances thin, so nobody is going to want to call an election so soon. Not to mention the public would hate it. 3) The Liberals have made it clear. They have absolutely no interest in working with the NDP. Trudeau would need to do an about face on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 But we're seriously getting bogged down in campaigning here and analyzing what ifs and could bes. Let's just stick to the current polling results and methodologies in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 except, the standard Harper Conservative line is to never acknowledge the pre-positioning of prior Liberal governments And unlike you, I don't feel the need to tow a party line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Your party depends on limited public awareness of issues when it indulges in character assassination attack ads. I don't have a party...and they're not the first party to do that. The same public - with little care for details - holds the Conservatives generally accountable for economic issues on their watch. And they don't generally get bad marks for that. It appears that the world is headed for another slowdown. I suppose the Conservatives caused that too. Politics can be unfair, this time - for a change - circumstances have the Tories suffering the public's indifference to detail. And as a partisan, you seem to be relishing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 And unlike you, I don't feel the need to tow a party line. pardon! You're probably the most steadfast supporter of Harper on this board... I've never read you waver from the playbook! You either outright ignore the reams of critical information pointing out the absolute failures of Harper Conservatives or you spin... wildly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 pardon! You're probably the most steadfast supporter of Harper on this board... I've never read you waver from the playbook! You either outright ignore the reams of critical information pointing out the absolute failures of Harper Conservatives or you spin... wildly! That's because you only see what you want to apparently: Just from the last few days: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24826-lpc-wants-ban-of-political-ads-on-tv-and-radio/page-3#entry1082200 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24817-mulcair-on-thatcher/page-4#entry1081490 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24817-mulcair-on-thatcher/page-2#entry1081317 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24821-the-ndps-boots-on-the-ground/page-2#entry1081321 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24817-mulcair-on-thatcher/#entry1081256 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24817-mulcair-on-thatcher/#entry1081244 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24817-mulcair-on-thatcher/#entry1081243 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24817-mulcair-on-thatcher/#entry1081233 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 That's because you only see what you want to apparently: Just from the last few days: you made me look... but I gave up after looking at 4 of your links... that have absolutely nothing to do with Harper Conservatives! Just what were you trying to state by providing those links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I have no problem supporting other parties or criticizing the conservatives, as I have on their drug policy, their vindictiveness, and their military procurement failure post 2008. I also have no problem stating my support for ideas of or leaders of other parties, and I probably won't know how I'll vote this election until close to election day. Your mind is already made up, and that makes you a hypocrite for ever calling me out - and a wrong one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Your mind is already made up, and that makes you a hypocrite for ever calling me out - and a wrong one at that. no - sorry, it's not! I'm one of the many voters in the category the Harper Conservative government fears... I support the Liberal Party but will have absolutely no qualms in voting for the NDP if I recognize my riding is in a position to potentially go NDP. #ABC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 no - sorry, it's not! I'm one of the many voters in the category the Harper Conservative government fears... I support the Liberal Party but will have absolutely no qualms in voting for the NDP if I recognize my riding is in a position to potentially go NDP. #ABC That's even worse. I could happily vote for whichever party I happen think has the best idea this time...that party just doesn't happen to be led by Trudeau, as I'm sure he has no clue what his ideas are, just what he's been told by his handlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) With the baggage Tories must drag along - two recessions on their watch, uninterrupted budgetary deficits, Duffy/PMO scandal among many others - it seems highly unlikely this campaign can be salvaged. One galvanizing terrorist attack could change everything. If it was big enough it could even put the election on hold. Edited August 23, 2015 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 And they don't generally get bad marks for that. It appears that the world is headed for another slowdown. I suppose the Conservatives caused that too. Not the Conservatives per se but conservatism generally. Right-wing parties around the planet have pretty much had their way since the collapse of communism and what have we got to show for it? Of course given the socialist wreckage conservatives had to salvage and rebuild with...we're lucky we're not approaching a new stone-age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Not the Conservatives per se but conservatism generally. Right-wing parties around the planet have pretty much had their way since the collapse of communism and what have we got to show for it? The world has generally clung to liberal ideology. I wouldn't call that right wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 One galvanizing terrorist attack could change everything. If it was big enough it could even put the election on hold. Yes, this would play to Conservative's only remaining strong suit - national security. Who doubts manufacturing such an incident is beneath this gov't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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