Bryan Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 There is a suprise coming for the Conservatives. It will be funny when it happens. Another fake gotcha? Oh noes! Quote
scribblet Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 It won't be funny if the coalition of losers usurp the will of the voters Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
SF/PF Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 It won't be funny if the coalition of losers usurp the will of the voters The 2004 or 2008 version?? Quote Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.15
Shakeyhands Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 It won't be funny if the coalition of losers usurp the will of the voters Interesting comment. So... If the CPC or Liberals win a minority and there are more Opposition MP's elected to the House once again, and they don't have confidence, where is the issue with that? How will that usurp the will of the voters? Do you actually know how our system works or are you just in lock step or blinded by the spin that the CPC is attempting (again...)? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
M.Dancer Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Do you actually know how our system works or are you just in lock step or blinded by the spin that the CPC is attempting (again...)? The system does indeed work that way...and that is why it is important to remind the potential Liberal voters who would rather chew their arm off than lie in bed with the NDP that it is indeed a possible outcome of a minority. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Harry Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 How different is that from Harper lying in bed with the Bloc to get legislation through the current House? Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 How different is that from Harper lying in bed with the Bloc to get legislation through the current House? It's not, nor is it different that he was willing to for a co-a-li-tion with them. You really have to admire their strategists though. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Harry Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Newer poll out today, March 25, 2011 EKOS poll C - 35.3% L - 28.1% N - 14.2% G - 10.6% B - 9.7% O - 2.1% http://www.ekospolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/full_report_march_25_2011.pdf Edited March 25, 2011 by Harry Quote
capricorn Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 That's more like it. Wouldn't want the Conservatives going into an election feeling too cocky. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 EKOS pollC - 35.3% L - 28.1% N - 14.2% G - 10.6% B - 9.7% O - 2.1% These numbers bode well for a fairly solid coalition. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wild Bill Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Interesting comment. So... If the CPC or Liberals win a minority and there are more Opposition MP's elected to the House once again, and they don't have confidence, where is the issue with that? How will that usurp the will of the voters? Do you actually know how our system works or are you just in lock step or blinded by the spin that the CPC is attempting (again...)? I keep saying this. You are likely totally correct in your position as to the legality of a "coalition of the losers". It just doesn't matter! The average Canadian voter doesn't give a damn about technicalities of constitutional law! He knows what he likes and he knows what smells bad to him. Constitutions are supposed to serve the People and not the other way around. Any party that participates in such a coalition is running a risk. Some may be right that most Canadians will simply yawn. Others may be right that they will get totally pissed and never vote for those parties for the rest of their lives! Or some result more in-between. Personally, I think it would hurt the Opposition badly in the long term, so much that I think I might like to see it happen! I always love to see politicians get their comeuppance, in any party! Anyhow, it's easy for you or me to say anything. It would be the Opposition parties who would be taking the risk and accepting the consequences, if any. I just think that you are rather cavalier in not bothering to even mention that there's some risk! You cite the way the law works as if that's all that matters! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Battletoads Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 From poll results I've seen it seem the Cons are around 35-40% and the Libs seem pretty stable at 28%. Seems the Election will be about a Con majority, yes or no. I don't know that Canadians will say yes to giving Harper absolute power. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
punked Posted March 26, 2011 Author Report Posted March 26, 2011 Newer poll out today, March 25, 2011 EKOS poll C - 35.3% L - 28.1% N - 14.2% G - 10.6% B - 9.7% O - 2.1% http://www.ekospolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/full_report_march_25_2011.pdf Just so you know that poll is terrible for the Liberals when you look at the internals. The West and Atlantic numbers are off and in Ontario and Quebec they are WAAAAYYY DOWN. The Liberals would lose seats if this poll is right. Quote
William Ashley Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I keep saying this. You are likely totally correct in your position as to the legality of a "coalition of the losers". It just doesn't matter! The average Canadian voter doesn't give a damn about technicalities of constitutional law! He knows what he likes and he knows what smells bad to him. Constitutions are supposed to serve the People and not the other way around. Naysaying, that coalition of the losers is the majority of Canadian voters. THIS ISN'T AMERICA! PEOPLE VOTE FOR MP'S NOT PM'sGET IT STRAIGHT, WHAT SIDE OF THE BORDER WERE YOU BORN ON? TRAITOR! Quote I was here.
nicky10013 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I keep saying this. You are likely totally correct in your position as to the legality of a "coalition of the losers". It just doesn't matter! Not likely. Is. End of story. Quote
nicky10013 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Just so you know that poll is terrible for the Liberals when you look at the internals. The West and Atlantic numbers are off and in Ontario and Quebec they are WAAAAYYY DOWN. The Liberals would lose seats if this poll is right. How people are going to vote today doesn't matter. What matters is the reasons why they're going to vote. Those are positive at the moment. If the issues Canadians care about remain the same, the numbers will shift. Anybody serious about politics who actually trusts support numbers at the outset of a campaign shouldn't be in politics. These numbers are going to change every day until we go to the polls. Edited March 26, 2011 by nicky10013 Quote
Harry Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) I keep saying this. You are likely totally correct in your position as to the legality of a "coalition of the losers". It just doesn't matter! Did you really mean to call Harper part of a "coalition of the losers" when Harper, when he was Leader of the Official Opposition, combined with Layton, and Duceppe, wrote a letter to the GG on September 9, 2004? Have you even seen the letter? Edited March 26, 2011 by Harry Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Did you really mean to call Harper part of a "coalition of the losers" when Harper, when he was Leader of the Official Opposition, combined with Layton, and Duceppe, wrote a letter to the GG on September 9, 2004? Have you even seen the letter? Don't bother me none to call Harper a loser! I'm not a conservative! Never have been! And yes, I've seen the letter! So what? 99% of Canadian voters couldn't care less! Only political junkies like you and me get upset about stuff like that. It's not a factor in winning this election. If anything, I'm a classic liberal. Since the modern Liberal party is NOTHING like the definition of a classic liberal there's little or no appeal for me there. I was and am a very strong Reform supporter. Especially for their planks about populism in how parties should be run. Now Reform is dead and the present CPC has managed to completely kill off even the memory of Reform I find myself supporting the Tories solely and only because they don't seem as bad as the Liberals. Never having been a socialist there's nothing for me with the NDP and being a techie for how I earn my living there's no way I can support the Greens, since they seem to be long on dreams and REAL short on practical approaches that might actually WORK! So again, I'll say anything bad about Harper you like, as long as I feel it might be true. I'll say bad things about the Liberals as well, for the same reason. What I will NOT do is simply slam those I don't like with no truth or justification! Ad hominem attacks are the product of idiots and I refuse to stoop so low. Edited March 26, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Keepitsimple Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Did you really mean to call Harper part of a "coalition of the losers" when Harper, when he was Leader of the Official Opposition, combined with Layton, and Duceppe, wrote a letter to the GG on September 9, 2004? Have you even seen the letter? I'm sure everybody on this board (bored) has seen the letter - it's been circulated a number of times over the past year or two. Yes, Harper wrote the letter - which I'm sure he now regrets.....but there were big differences between 2004 and 2008. Back then, no deals were made and a coalition never happened. The three leaders at the time were just telling the GG not to forget that there were alternatives to the minority Liberals. If the GG had called upon the Conservatives to actually try to form a coalition - then I guess it would have to be up to everyone's imagination how much power Harper the autocratic "my way or the highway" persona would have ceded to the NDP....and whether he would have given the Bloc veto power. Seems pretty unlikely based on how the Liberals frame Mr. Harper's way of governing. What we DO know is that the current day coalition of Liberals, NDP and Bloc DID in fact sign a working agreement where the NDP were to hold 5 cabinet posts and the Bloc retained veto power. Who can forget the photo of the leaders signing the agreement. Only proroguation prevented this catastophe from happening. Can you imagine that three-headed monster trying to guide us through the recession? Edited March 26, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Harry Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 (edited) Oh come on now, this is total hypocrisy on Harper's part. And if Harper ends up on the other side of the House with the Bloc and the NDP, Harper will be after a coalition with them so quick it will make your head spin. And everybody knows it. Edited March 26, 2011 by Harry Quote
Saipan Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 How different is that from Harper lying in bed with the Bloc to get legislation through the current House? What legislation? What bed? Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiovzBznZ0c Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Saipan Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 It's not, nor is it different that he was willing to for a co-a-li-tion with them. You really have to admire their strategists though. Fantasy. We had no coalition government. Dion tried and got punished. Quote
nicky10013 Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 Oh come on now, this is total hypocrisy on Harper's part. And if Harper ends up on the other side of the House with the Bloc and the NDP, Harper will be after a coalition with them so quick it will make your head spin. And everybody knows it. Harper's tried it before. Quote
Harry Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 What legislation? What bed? How do you think any legislation, spending estimates, the last spending estimates, got passed with a minority government? Quote
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