Shwa Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 I saw this linked from the Huffington Post, their eye on Canada guy, right B-C? CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news The committee was concerned that the regulation violated a 1992 Supreme Court ruling in the case of Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, which found that the Charter of Rights provision protecting freedom of expression meant a person could not be charged for spreading false information.After ignoring the committee's letters for years, CRTC finally relented and said in December it would consider changing the regulation to apply only in cases when broadcasters know the information they are sharing is untrue and when it “endangers or is likely to endanger the lives, health or safety of the public.” But the CRTC's call for public input on the proposal resulted in a tidal wave of angry responses from Canadians who said they feared such a move would open the door to Fox TV-style news and reduce their ability to determine what is true and what is false. Fox TV-style news and Ernst Zundel in the same story? Oh my. But the Huffington Post article is even better. Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada Leave it to a Yank to tell it like it is: Harper, often referred to as "George W. Bush's Mini Me," is known for having mounted a Bush like war on government scientists, data collectors, transparency, and enlightenment in general. He is a wizard of all the familiar tools of demagoguery; false patriotism, bigotry, fear, selfishness and belligerent religiosity. Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television is a stark admission that right wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda. Since corporate profit-taking is not an attractive vessel for populism, a political party or broadcast network that makes itself the tool of corporate and financial elites must lie to make its agenda popular with the public. In the Unites States, Fox News and talk radio, the sock puppets of billionaires and corporate robber barons have become the masters of propaganda and distortion on the public airwaves. Fox News's notoriously biased and dishonest coverage of the Wisconsin's protests is a prime example of the brand of news coverage Canada has smartly avoided. LOFL! Quote
GWiz Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 I saw this linked from the Huffington Post, their eye on Canada guy, right B-C? CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news Fox TV-style news and Ernst Zundel in the same story? Oh my. But the Huffington Post article is even better. Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada Leave it to a Yank to tell it like it is: LOFL! IN SPADES! I know a certain afternoon "news person", Charles Adler, on CJOB (Corus Radio) in Winnipeg that just lost a job... (He's gonna be really ticked about this, can't wait to hear him complain... ) Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
lukin Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) IN SPADES! I know a certain afternoon "news person", Charles Adler, on CJOB (Corus Radio) in Winnipeg that just lost a job... (He's gonna be really ticked about this, can't wait to hear him complain... ) Charles is losing his job? Really? That's what you get for relying on the Huffy Post for factual information. :lol: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/01/tasha-kheiriddin-robert-f-kennedy-jr-vs-sun-tv-news/ Edited March 2, 2011 by lukin Quote
August1991 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) There is so much wrong with this thread, and decision. Let's start with a quote from a link in the OP: Canada's broadcasting regulator has abandoned its attempt to change a regulation that prohibits the dissemination of false or misleading news. Who decides what is "false or misleading news"? You? Me? Robert F. Kennedy Jnr? [Robert F. Kennedy Jnr? It is pathetic to see Canadian leftists rely on an American to support their argument.] Do Leftists who dislike Fox News understand that the CRTC could just as easily be used to shut down their beloved CBC on the grounds that, according to others, the CBC disseminates "false and misleading" news? But the CRTC's call for public input on the proposal resulted in a tidal wave of angry responses from Canadians who said they feared such a move would open the door to Fox TV-style news and reduce their ability to determine what is true and what is false.In the face of the outcry, the regulations committee, which is composed of both MPs and senators, met last Thursday and decided it would no longer pursue the matter with the CRTC. Tidal wave? Canada’s broadcasting regulator has received more than 3,000 responses from the public about its plan to change a regulation that prohibits the dissemination of false or misleading news, most of them passionately opposing the proposal. G&MA partisan parliamentary committee asked people to send emails. Then, receiving the emails, the partisan parliamentary committee got an "arm's length bureaucracy" (the CRTC) to do what it had always wanted to do. If we decided other matters by how many emails a parliamentary committee receives, Bev Oda would be in jail and Stephen Harper would be on an iceberg in the far north. ---- Sun TV is not Fox News North. This CRTC decision will not stop Sun TV from operating. The CRTC is moribund and will soon disappear. And finally, this kind of decision will simply ensure more contributions to the Conservative Party, and cement further Tory support. You'll note that Conservative support in polls never falls below 30% and the new minimum is edging to 35%. Such decisions are the reason why. Many Canadians are tuning out and the Left is losing them for a generation at least. Edited March 2, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Shwa Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) There is so much wrong with this thread, and decision. Take a few minutes from your navel gazing to have a little fun there August. Let's start with a quote from a link in the OP:Who decides what is "false or misleading news"? You? Me? Robert F. Kennedy Jnr? Who gets to decide is Ernst Zundel really was just bullshitting? You? Me? "partisan" committees? [Robert F. Kennedy Jnr? It is pathetic to see Canadian leftists rely on an American to support their argument.] But not entirely pathetic to see "Canadian leftists" to rely on an American to support some humour. Do Leftists who dislike Fox News understand that the CRTC could just as easily be used to shut down their beloved CBC on the grounds that, according to others, the CBC disseminates "false and misleading" news? LOLF! You've outdone yourself again August. Tidal wave? G&MA partisan parliamentary committee asked people to send emails. Then, receiving the emails, the partisan parliamentary committee got an "arm's length bureaucracy" (the CRTC) to do what it had always wanted to do. Partisan parliamentary committees are in cahoots with the liberally-biased media of course! If we decided other matters by how many emails a parliamentary committee receives, Bev Oda would be in jail and Stephen Harper would be on an iceberg in the far north. Conservatives should learn to type maybe? Or actually pay attention perhaps? Sun TV is not Fox News North. This CRTC decision will not stop Sun TV from operating. The CRTC is moribund and will soon disappear Let's start a pool on this: please predict the month and year the CRTC will disappear. And finally, this kind of decision will simply ensure more contributions to the Conservative Party, and cement further Tory support. You'll note that Conservative support in polls never falls below 30% and the new minimum is edging to 35%. Such decisions are the reason why. So you are saying the CRTC somehow holds political sway for what they don't do? Sounds like Bizzarro World to me! I can hear it now, on the street corners of downtown Toronto, "CRTC won't pander to Ernst Zundel like Sun-TV. Sign up for the Conservative Party here!" Many Canadians are tuning out and the Left is losing them for a generation at least. Yes, I can see how people tuning out would move them to the right. Cluing out has the same effect too. Edited March 2, 2011 by Shwa Quote
GWiz Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Charles is losing his job? Really? That's what you get for relying on the Huffy Post for factual information. :lol: http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/01/tasha-kheiriddin-robert-f-kennedy-jr-vs-sun-tv-news/ pssst, Charles was set to be a HOST ala Rush on the new "Fox News North", no channel, no host, no job... Get it? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
lukin Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 pssst, Charles was set to be a HOST ala Rush on the new "Fox News North", no channel, no host, no job... Get it? I don't think you are understanding all this. Quote
eyeball Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 There is so much wrong with this thread, and decision. Let's start with a quote from a link in the OP: Who decides what is "false or misleading news"? You? Me? Robert F. Kennedy Jnr? I'd look to the public first. As evidenced in this case we had a lot to do with it's outcome, we should do that a lot more in a lot more areas of our governance. Obviously we'd need the input of the Parliamentary regulations committee associated with the CRTC and of course the CRTC to implement our decision. [Robert F. Kennedy Jnr? It is pathetic to see Canadian leftists rely on an American to support their argument.] C'mon you've never cited an American to support your arguments, not once? Do Leftists who dislike Fox News understand that the CRTC could just as easily be used to shut down their beloved CBC on the grounds that, according to others, the CBC disseminates "false and misleading" news? Most of the 3000 responses were passionately against the CRTC's plan to change a regulation that prohibits the dissemination of false or misleading news. It stands to reason that if most had passionately supported the CRTC's plan it would have steamed full speed ahead. The real miracle in this story is that the public's voice actually seemed to count. I'd say the public should definitely be in the process that differentiates between what's false and misleading news and what's factual and evidenced-based in the future. Tidal wave? G&MA partisan parliamentary committee asked people to send emails. Then, receiving the emails, the partisan parliamentary committee got an "arm's length bureaucracy" (the CRTC) to do what it had always wanted to do. If we decided other matters by how many emails a parliamentary committee receives, Bev Oda would be in jail and Stephen Harper would be on an iceberg in the far north. Yep, this sure beats the party system we use hands down. If you think you can get more passionate ayes to the question should we kill the cbc because it disseminates false and misleading news than passionate nays, I'd say good luck with that. Sun TV is not Fox News North. This CRTC decision will not stop Sun TV from operating. The CRTC is moribund and will soon disappear.And finally, this kind of decision will simply ensure more contributions to the Conservative Party, and cement further Tory support. You'll note that Conservative support in polls never falls below 30% and the new minimum is edging to 35%. Such decisions are the reason why. Many Canadians are tuning out and the Left is losing them for a generation at least. The left is losing Canadians at a much slower rate than it lost Americans. I think the reason why is obvious, we're more informed because we're better informed and regulated. This is probably why we didn't have the same sort of economic meltdown the US did and it's why Canada is a pretty much a rock of stability compared to what's going on just about everywhere you look. Now, if we could just do something about our godforsaken FPTP/party system. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
kimmy Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 I saw this linked from the Huffington Post, their eye on Canada guy, right B-C? CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news Fox TV-style news and Ernst Zundel in the same story? Oh my. But the Huffington Post article is even better. Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada Leave it to a Yank to tell it like it is: Harper, often referred to as "George W. Bush's Mini Me," is known for having mounted a Bush like war on government scientists, data collectors, transparency, and enlightenment in general. He is a wizard of all the familiar tools of demagoguery; false patriotism, bigotry, fear, selfishness and belligerent religiosity.Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television is a stark admission that right wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda. Since corporate profit-taking is not an attractive vessel for populism, a political party or broadcast network that makes itself the tool of corporate and financial elites must lie to make its agenda popular with the public. In the Unites States, Fox News and talk radio, the sock puppets of billionaires and corporate robber barons have become the masters of propaganda and distortion on the public airwaves. Fox News's notoriously biased and dishonest coverage of the Wisconsin's protests is a prime example of the brand of news coverage Canada has smartly avoided. LOFL! "Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television is a stark admission that right wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda." But many on the left contend that right-wing political ideology already controls national debate, in spite of the existing CRTC rules prohibiting "dishonest propaganda". Is Kennedy wrong? Is "the right" controlling the national debate without "dishonest propaganda"? Or is Kennedy right, and the existing CRTC rules simply aren't effective in prohibiting "dishonest propaganda"? Or are those who point to Canada's corporate media and claim that the right wing controls public debate in Canada simply wrong? pssst, Charles was set to be a HOST ala Rush on the new "Fox News North", no channel, no host, no job... Get it? Odd, I didn't notice anything about Sun TV being cancelled. Can you elaborate? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
lukin Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 "Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television is a stark admission that right wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda." But many on the left contend that right-wing political ideology already controls national debate, in spite of the existing CRTC rules prohibiting "dishonest propaganda". Is Kennedy wrong? Is "the right" controlling the national debate without "dishonest propaganda"? Or is Kennedy right, and the existing CRTC rules simply aren't effective in prohibiting "dishonest propaganda"? Or are those who point to Canada's corporate media and claim that the right wing controls public debate in Canada simply wrong? Odd, I didn't notice anything about Sun TV being cancelled. Can you elaborate? -k It hasn't been cancelled. That's why this thread is so humorous. People become misinformed when they rely on a useless, partisan rag like the Huffy post for news; right shwa, right gwiz? Quote
Shwa Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Posted March 2, 2011 It hasn't been cancelled. That's why this thread is so humorous. People become misinformed when they rely on a useless, partisan rag like the Huffy post for news; right shwa, right gwiz? Is the Globe and Mail a "useless, partisan rag" lukin? Is it?? I DARE you to answer. Quote
Shwa Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Posted March 2, 2011 "Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television is a stark admission that right wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda." Beauty quote eh? But many on the left contend that right-wing political ideology already controls national debate, in spite of the existing CRTC rules prohibiting "dishonest propaganda". Who are these "many" on the left and how significant are they? Is Kennedy wrong? Is "the right" controlling the national debate without "dishonest propaganda"?Or is Kennedy right, and the existing CRTC rules simply aren't effective in prohibiting "dishonest propaganda"? Well, I can watch Fox News any damned time I want. I can participate in the American freedom of expression and, right or wrong, true or false, it is very useful and mostly entertaining. Or are those who point to Canada's corporate media and claim that the right wing controls public debate in Canada simply wrong? Which is all the more humourous. I mean, we have the right-wing going on and on about the liberal media bias; we have the lefties tossing it back saying the media is controlled by giant media corporations. It might be possible - just a suggestion - that such black and white references such as right wing v. left wing have a less accurate application in Canada and her media. Quote
GWiz Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Is the Globe and Mail a "useless, partisan rag" lukin? Is it?? I DARE you to answer. Believe it or not there are actually people that believe Faux (Fox) News is "fair and unbiased" as they like to call themselves... I much prefer to get my news from "the most trusted name in news" Jon Stewart... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
scribblet Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) It hasn't been cancelled. That's why this thread is so humorous. People become misinformed when they rely on a useless, partisan rag like the Huffy post for news; right shwa, right gwiz? I must say I just about choked on my java when I read the HP piece, I doubt that I've read anything so wrong and misleading ( well the Guardian did a good one a while back), it simply boggles the mind. check this out from the NP - delusional profundity is right... who wants to write to the HP correcting their 'errors'... http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/01/tasha-kheiriddin-robert-f-kennedy-jr-vs-sun-tv-news/ What is it with Americans who insist on commenting on Canadian issues about which they know, er, nothing? The latest bout of delusional profundity comes from Robert F. Kennedy Jr., in an article entitled, “Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all.” Edited March 2, 2011 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 ...C'mon you've never cited an American to support your arguments, not once? ROTFLMAO! :P Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lukin Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) I must say I just about choked on my java when I read the HP piece, I doubt that I've read anything so wrong and misleading ( well the Guardian did a good one a while back), it simply boggles the mind. Exactly scribblet. The sad thing is that too many people rely on left-wing rags such as the Huffy Post and dailykos for facts. Anyone who has ever read the Huffy Post will know this, and the funny thing is the Huffy Post crowd consistently calling down Fox News. Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. Edited March 2, 2011 by lukin Quote
GWiz Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 I must say I just about choked on my java when I read the HP piece, I doubt that I've read anything so wrong and misleading ( well the Guardian did a good one a while back), it simply boggles the mind. check this out from the NP - delusional profundity is right... who wants to write to the HP correcting their 'errors'... http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/03/01/tasha-kheiriddin-robert-f-kennedy-jr-vs-sun-tv-news/ CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news - After ignoring the committee's letters for years, CRTC finally relented and said in December it would consider changing the regulation to apply only in cases when broadcasters know the information they are sharing is untrue and when it “endangers or is likely to endanger the lives, health or safety of the public.” But the CRTC's call for public input on the proposal resulted in a tidal wave of angry responses from Canadians who said they feared such a move would open the door to Fox TV-style news and reduce their ability to determine what is true and what is false. In the face of the outcry, the regulations committee, which is composed of both MPs and senators, met last Thursday and decided it would no longer pursue the matter with the CRTC. Some of the MPs on that committee, including Liberal chairman Andrew Kania, were not in politics when the issue was first discussed and said they did not agree with the decision of the committee 10 years ago to press the CRTC for the change. “I would suggest perhaps as an option that we write back to the CRTC; we thank them for the proposed amendments but we also let them know that this version of the committee does not see the Zundel decision as an impediment to the continued operations of the current regulations, and invite them to consider whether they still wish to make changes in light of that comment,” Mr. Kania told his fellow committee members. The committee agreed. The CRTC had not received any correspondence from the committee by Thursday of this week. But, having been made aware of the decision, CRTC Chairman Konrad Von Finckenstein told reporters late last week that the commission never wanted to change the regulation in the first place. The CRTC had run out of stalling devices after being pressured by the committee for 10 years, Mr. Von Finckenstein said, and now that the committee has relented the commission will withdraw the attempt to rewrite the regulation. - Let's see if I've got this straight... In order for this so called "Fox News North" (Sun-TV) channel to get approval from the CRTC the CRTC needed to CHANGE a regulation... The CRTC has decided NOT to change said regulation... Because of there being NO CHANGE in said regulation the so called "Fox News North" (Sun-TV) channel can NOT get CRTC approval to operate... That about it? Yup, that's it... "Recognizing a problem doesn't always bring a solution, but until we recognize that problem, there can be no solution." - James Baldwin Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
scribblet Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news ----- Let's see if I've got this straight... In order for this so called "Fox News North" (Sun-TV) channel to get approval from the CRTC the CRTC needed to CHANGE a regulation... The CRTC has decided NOT to change said regulation... Because of there being NO CHANGE in said regulation the so called "Fox News North" (Sun-TV) channel can NOT get CRTC approval to operate... That about it? Yup, that's it... Nowhere has that been said, the committee's request for changes came long before SunTV was on the horizon. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
GWiz Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Nowhere has that been said, the committee's request for changes came long before SunTV was on the horizon. Globe and Mail Update Posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 4:43PM EST To be exact... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
scribblet Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) After ignoring the committee's letters for years, CRTC finally relented and said in December it would consider changing the regulation Edited March 2, 2011 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
GWiz Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) After ignoring the committee's letters for years, CRTC finally relented and said in December it would consider changing the regulation Keep reading, with a little extra effort you might get good at it... Edited March 2, 2011 by GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Shady Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Take a few minutes from your navel gazing to have a little fun there August. There's nothing funny about government censorship. Quote
Shady Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Exactly scribblet. The sad thing is that too many people rely on left-wing rags such as the Huffy Post and dailykos for facts. Anyone who has ever read the Huffy Post will know this, and the funny thing is the Huffy Post crowd consistently calling down Fox News. Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. Exactly. It's the liberal mantra. "Freedom of speech for me, but not for thee." Quote
GWiz Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Now THAT is funny... The people who on other thread's think ordinary people should have NO RIGHTS, preferring them as serfs to the plutocracy, crying about "free speech"... Keep it coming... I'm having FUN! Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Shady Posted March 2, 2011 Report Posted March 2, 2011 Now THAT is funny... The people who on other thread's think ordinary people should have NO RIGHTS, preferring them as serfs to the plutocracy, crying about "free speech"... Now THAT'S a great strawman. Nobody said ordinary people shouldn't have NO RIGHTS. Stop acting like a crazy person. Quote
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