Sir Bandelot Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Que. arena could get federal gas tax funds Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government has a new plan to funnel millions of federal tax dollars into a controversial plan to build a new NHL arena in Quebec City, CBC News has learned. Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/02/09/weston-quebec-arena-feds.html#ixzz1DZKbKnpB Now we see the whoredom that is inherent in the system. Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 It will be interesting to see how the CPC-Party-bots respond to this after they so adamantly voiced their opposition to federal funding of arenas. Rather than an outright "no" to Quebec, Harper is sending a message to all regions that the government does not intend to fund professional sports. The way he worded the refusal, it's plain he hopes it will be better received in the Quebec media and Quebecers. If Quebec City and the province want an NHL arena, either they will have to recruit private sector investers or the province will have to subsidize it entirely. In post #6 at the top of this thread I said that I'm against federal funds going into this venture. This makes my opinion partisan? Fine by me. If you feel the need to look under the bed for monsters, knock yourself out. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
GostHacked Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Que. arena could get federal gas tax funds Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government has a new plan to funnel millions of federal tax dollars into a controversial plan to build a new NHL arena in Quebec City, CBC News has learned. Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/02/09/weston-quebec-arena-feds.html#ixzz1DZKbKnpB Now we see the whoredom that is inherent in the system. Don't they need a hockey team for an arena?? Quote
guyser Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Don't they need a hockey team for an arena?? Not really , look at Ottawa ! (before I would be forced to use TO as an example...not anymore ) Quote
kimmy Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Like August put it... how can they say no to proposals like this, when they spent a billion dollars for a weekend party in Toronto? At least the hockey arena will be of lasting benefit to Quebec City. Way better than a billion dollars for portable fences, concrete barriers, and an army of cops working overtime. When you spend a billion dollars on nothing, it becomes awfully hard to say no to anything. Stupid G20. But now that you've said yes to an arena for Quebec ... how do you say no when Daryl Katz comes knocking and says "you know, we're trying to put together funding for a new arena in Edmonton, and it would sure help if the federal government could contribute some money like they did for Quebec City..." Helping Quebec City build an arena isn't necessarily a *bad* idea... I'd like to see an assessment of the economics of it. However, I think we all recognize that this wouldn't be happening if the Conservatives weren't desperate to improve their polls in Quebec. How do Harper's foes attack this, though, without looking like they don't want an arena (and a hockey team) for Quebec City? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Wild Bill Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 It will be interesting to see how the CPC-Party-bots respond to this after they so adamantly voiced their opposition to federal funding of arenas. Yeah, he gave us zip all for our football stadium! Maybe we should've asked in French! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Sir Bandelot Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Posted February 10, 2011 Don't they need a hockey team for an arena?? Good question. Apparently certain right wingers have been seen wearing old Quebec Nordiques hockey jerseys... Quote
GostHacked Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Like August put it... how can they say no to proposals like this, when they spent a billion dollars for a weekend party in Toronto? At least the hockey arena will be of lasting benefit to Quebec City. Way better than a billion dollars for portable fences, concrete barriers, and an army of cops working overtime. You are going to see that anyways. Scanners, pat downs, restrictions of what you can take into the stadium with a large security presence. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Helping Quebec City build an arena isn't necessarily a *bad* idea... I'd like to see an assessment of the economics of it. -k Sure it is. If it was a sound, economically viable idea, the private sector would build it themselves. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Sure it is. If it was a sound, economically viable idea, the private sector would build it themselves. The government has a vested interest in keeping you entertained while they go mess other stuff up. Distractions. Quote
Smallc Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 The government has a vested interest in keeping you entertained while they go mess other stuff up. Distractions. paranoid much? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Sure it is. If it was a sound, economically viable idea, the private sector would build it themselves. Not without public money. The city of Toronto invested $10M in BMO field, the Province of Ontario paid $1B for Skydome, which they later recouped by selling it for one dollar to Rogers, etc... Yes, they know well how to play the game, the media and sports consortia. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bloodyminded Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Like August put it... how can they say no to proposals like this, when they spent a billion dollars for a weekend party in Toronto? At least the hockey arena will be of lasting benefit to Quebec City. Way better than a billion dollars for portable fences, concrete barriers, and an army of cops working overtime. When you spend a billion dollars on nothing, it becomes awfully hard to say no to anything. Stupid G20. But now that you've said yes to an arena for Quebec ... how do you say no when Daryl Katz comes knocking and says "you know, we're trying to put together funding for a new arena in Edmonton, and it would sure help if the federal government could contribute some money like they did for Quebec City..." Helping Quebec City build an arena isn't necessarily a *bad* idea... I'd like to see an assessment of the economics of it. However, I think we all recognize that this wouldn't be happening if the Conservatives weren't desperate to improve their polls in Quebec. How do Harper's foes attack this, though, without looking like they don't want an arena (and a hockey team) for Quebec City? -k That's a good question. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
The_Squid Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 In Vancouver, BC Place was built and owned by the Province for EXPO 86. The hockey arena for the Canucks was built with NO public money. This is a very Liberal-like move by this government. And they are using money that was supposed to be going to "green initiatives". Some Conservative MPs are concerned that after taxpayers spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a new Quebec City arena, the NHL may not agree to putting a franchise there. Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2011/02/09/weston-quebec-arena-feds.html#ixzz1DZmZp4tB haha What a boondoggle this is going to be... Quote
guyser Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 the Province of Ontario paid $1B for Skydome, which they later recouped by selling it for one dollar to Rogers, etc... Total cost was $570M Sale price to Rogers was $25M Quote
GWiz Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Sure it is. If it was a sound, economically viable idea, the private sector would build it themselves. Yeah, just like Winnipeg did... There was a LITTLE help from all 3 levels of Government, but nothing like what's being proposed... Since Winnipeg is building a new Football stadium, as are Hamilton and Regina, this better be thought out, because those 3 cities and provinces are gonna "matter" if there's no "fairness" across the board... What's good for the goose is good for the gander, aka, BUYING VOTES... :angry: Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Topaz Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Why don't Quebec hold a lottery to raise finds for the arena? Just look at he national lotteries bring in. I'm sure Quebec could raise the money on their own without Feds help and it would mean more to the people knowing they did on their own. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/dossiers/vers-un-nouveau-colisee/201102/10/01-4368935-nouvel-amphitheatre-destination-2015.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B4_manchettes_231_accueil_POS2 Quote
PIK Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Good question. Apparently certain right wingers have been seen wearing old Quebec Nordiques hockey jerseys... Iggy was wearing one? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 I understand the quebec goverment has up the anti and they might not need federal help and I hope harper does not add to it and says well quebec can do things without fed money. I would love to see that. I am not for giving to rinks ,but I am all for helping with CFL stadiums. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 I am not for giving to rinks ,but I am all for helping with CFL stadiums. Quote
PIK Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Why give to billionaires and millionaires. When the CFL is a cultural event that brings the country together and it is about the only thing canadian that we have left ,the grey cup is huge ,bigger then the stanley cup when it comes to ratings. And players that make less money then alot of people here. Why not small c, why can't the govermnet spend on some as canadain as this. Get some help for quebec for a STADIUM and help for the east coast and then all of canada from coast to coast can be involved in this great canadian past time, to hell with the billionaires, that in a few years could end up moving AGAIN. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry, but I don't see the difference. Edited February 10, 2011 by Smallc Quote
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 Helping Quebec City build an arena isn't necessarily a *bad* idea... I'd like to see an assessment of the economics of it. Sure it is. If it was a sound, economically viable idea, the private sector would build it themselves. Not necessarily... A private sector stadium/arena really only sees benefits/revenue from properties it owns/controls (e.g. arena rental, parking, concessions, naming rights, advertising, etc.). On the other hand, when a government invests in such a stadium it can see benefits outside those associated with the stadium itself. For example, a stadium might increase tourism in the area (and thus bring the government additional revenue through hotel occupancy taxes, increased tax base, etc.) This is, of course, assumes that there is a successful sports franchise playing there. That said, I am not necessarily convinced that investing public money in an arena is a good thing. Having a private team playing at a publicly financed stadium lessens the attachment that the team may have to the city. (For example, the Ottawa Senators own Scotia Bank Place; this means that if they decide to move the team, the arena looses much of their value, so it provides at least some incentive to stay. If it was a public arena, there would be very little to prevent the Senators from moving to the town of BrainDeadSwamp, Ark. if they town offered a better arena deal. Quote
Esq Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) The municipality said they don't want changes to the gas tax rules. Quebec City and Quebec said they would fund it themselves -with 45% from the province and some from the city.. and the remainder? so that is about 180 billion from the province of quebec.. I'm not sure about the rest. It's like the federal government is trying to muzzle in on the arena for PR reasons but the province and muncipality won't have any of it. Edited February 10, 2011 by Esq Quote
segnosaur Posted February 10, 2011 Report Posted February 10, 2011 I'm sorry, but I don't see the difference. I think he's arguing that the CFL has value to Canada that cannot be measured economically (e.g. he mentioned "bringing the country together"), and its something that can be done relatively cheaply. On the other hand, in the case of the NHL: - Hockey is less likely to disappear from Canada (e.g. we'll probably always have teams in Toronto and Montreal, even if some of the smaller market teams fail) - With its higher revenues/salaries and the focus on the U.S. market, the NHL may not be as relevant to Canadian identity as it once was Quote
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