Chrisitne O'donnell wins Delaware

[bush_cheney2004]

My position is precisely reconciled with my view of the facile Trudeau myths.

So "sad" is just an oft repeated Canadian assessment without substance, save for smug superiority?

[bloodyminded]

So "sad" is just an oft repeated Canadian assessment without substance, save for smug superiority?

You should resist the urge to share your muddled thoughts so readily. Think things through first.

[bush_cheney2004]

You should resist the urge to share your muddled thoughts so readily. Think things through first.

Why? Is it sad? This is just a game...don't play if it bothers you.

[bloodyminded]

Why? Is it sad? This is just a game...don't play if it bothers you.

It doesn't bother me. I was giving you sound advice.

Why, you ask, is drooling, politicized hero-worship sad?

I don't think that's a serious question.

[bush_cheney2004]

It doesn't bother me. I was giving you sound advice.

Why, you ask, is drooling, politicized hero-worship sad?

I don't think that's a serious question.

It is a serious question....you and several others here at MLW often invoke this empty notion of "sad" without any further explanation. "Sad" for who?...Canadians?

Ronald Reagan is a political icon in the USA for the USA by the USA. Why is this "sad"?

Edited September 19, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[bloodyminded]

It is a serious question....you and several others here at MLW often invoke this empty notion of "sad" without any further explanation. "Sad" for who?...Canadians?

No, for the idolators.

Ronald Reagan is a political icon in the USA for the USA by the USA. Why is this "sad"?

Again, I'm not taking your question seriously.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Again, I'm not taking your question seriously.

I know...just wanted to punctuate your vapid assertion. President Ronald Reagan and his continuing legacy is your worst nightmare....even from way back across the fence.

Edited September 19, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[bloodyminded]

President Ronald Reagan and his continuing legacy is your worst nightmare....

You know, I don't think that's true!

Edited September 19, 2010 by bloodyminded

[punked]

Yes, only in your partisan world is a self-described marxist the "sane candidate." Not to mention that Democrats have hunted down their moderates as well. However, some people feel that the economic and fiscal situation in America is so serious that so-called moderates aren't what's needed. In many cases, moderates were the ones digging the hole.

Got it when O'Donnell says something so crazy Americans Laugh themselves to death it is because she was young. When Coons says something 20 years ago it counts. You look like and idiot all the time.

[ToadBrother]

Yes, only in your partisan world is a self-described marxist the "sane candidate."

Oh come on, how many Marxists do you think are actually in the Democratic Party, at best they represent the same ratio of Libertarians that used to be in the Republican Party, made up of Ron Paul's deluded worshippers.

You throw the word "Marxist" around like you know it, but I doubt very much you have any idea what the meaning is at all.

Not to mention that Democrats have hunted down their moderates as well. However, some people feel that the economic and fiscal situation in America is so serious that so-called moderates aren't what's needed. In many cases, moderates were the ones digging the hole.

I'm not saying that the moderates in both parties don't have some explaining to do, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater won't deliver a better America, it will deliver one controlled by a bunch of lunatics. The Tea Partiers are not sensible people, it is not a sensible movement, and it will throw the GOP on the reef before its done

[ToadBrother]

I know...just wanted to punctuate your vapid assertion. President Ronald Reagan and his continuing legacy is your worst nightmare....even from way back across the fence.

Like I said, Reagan was a well-advised moron. I suppose a lot of Republicans worship at his altar mainly because the leadership they've had ever since has been made of all small men. I'll give the Gipper this, he may have been a moron, but he did have a kind of vision, and a way of communicating that vision in something resembling a thoughtful fashion, as opposed to the shrill nonsensical ramblings of the Tea Party movement.

Of course, I doubt the Tea Partiers, if they looked at Reagan's spending, would be that happy with him either. Reagan had the distinct good forture to exit stage left long before the latest brand of maniacs took over the stage. He can be ideolized now, his errors safely buried under six feet of nostalgia.

[bush_cheney2004]

Like I said, Reagan was a well-advised moron. I suppose a lot of Republicans worship at his altar mainly because the leadership they've had ever since has been made of all small men.

If you are a student of history as you claim to be, clearly Reagan was not a "moron". Dismissing the man's life and career in such a way has no foundation, and reflects a lazy understanding of Reagan's contribution to American political discourse, whether you agreed with his state/federal policies or not.

Of course, I doubt the Tea Partiers, if they looked at Reagan's spending, would be that happy with him either. Reagan had the distinct good forture to exit stage left long before the latest brand of maniacs took over the stage. He can be ideolized now, his errors safely buried under six feet of nostalgia.

Historical context reaches back before Reagan, which set the stage for his triumphs. So was Jimmy Carter a "moron" too? Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK...all morons? If excessive spending be your benchmark...then PM Trudeau was a..."moron".

[Jack Weber]

Even when the term is used sarcastically?

Meanwhile, O'Donnell wasn't being sarcastic at all when she said she "dabbled in witchcraft."

Maybe she's a Wicca literalist???

Perhaps she bows at the alter of the Earth Mother?

[bloodyminded]

Maybe she's a Wicca literalist???

Perhaps she bows at the alter of the Earth Mother?

I dunno....that Wicca stuff is sort of hippy-dippy; I think her dabbling was more of the Satanic variety.

[Jack Weber]

Oh come on, how many Marxists do you think are actually in the Democratic Party, at best they represent the same ratio of Libertarians that used to be in the Republican Party, made up of Ron Paul's deluded worshippers.

You throw the word "Marxist" around like you know it, but I doubt very much you have any idea what the meaning is at all.

I'm not saying that the moderates in both parties don't have some explaining to do, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater won't deliver a better America, it will deliver one controlled by a bunch of lunatics. The Tea Partiers are not sensible people, it is not a sensible movement, and it will throw the GOP on the reef before its done

Oh...Oh!!!

I can answer....

Professor Kitzel most likely thinks most of the Democrat political apparatus is secretly influenced by extreme Leftist/Marxist thought...

And please stop confusin the Professor with questions about historical knowledge.Unless it comes from the usual sources,his grip on all things historical is a bit tenuous!

And to your point about the extreme folks beginning to have strong influence on the GOP,you're spot on.If the Republicans wnat to see a wipe out of their party in 2 years,they should stay on the same course they are on now.Two years of right wing insular lunacy will turn off almost everyone except the hardline ideologues.The Republicans should be very wary of history and what happened to the Whig Party when it went through this same type of insular transformation...

[Michael Hardner]

Or even worse, she's Obama Part 2. A pure celebrity, no-nothing politician, that gets vaulted into power by a wave of idiotic voters chanting lame platitudes like "yes we can." Basically an affirmative-action candidate, shallow, void of substance, and a total lack of experience. That could be her, minus the experience part. She actually has some of that.

This is a good point - and missed by many liberals: Bush and Obama had similar backgrounds (although Obama was a Senator, and Bush a Governor) and were both swept in on a wave of emotion...

[ToadBrother]

If you are a student of history as you claim to be, clearly Reagan was not a "moron". Dismissing the man's life and career in such a way has no foundation, and reflects a lazy understanding of Reagan's contribution to American political discourse, whether you agreed with his state/federal policies or not.

Actually I agreed with a good many of Reagan's policies, not all to be sure, but I have to read of a politician anywhere in the world or in all of history that I agreed one very point with. I think his ratcheting up the Cold War a few notches was just what was needed. I think he instinctively knew what to do, and with guys like Weinberger and Schulz making sensible policies out of Reagan's gut instincts, the policies like Star Wars, much derided at the time, drove the Soviet machine into a swirling maelstrom of economic malaise, or more to the point deepened it (it's pretty evident now that the Brezhnev years were an era of incredible stagnation and decay, far beyond what I think even the Reagan Administration knew, which is why everyone's jaws dropped when the whole thing went thud in 1991-92).

Like I said, that Reagan had, to my mind, a somewhat substandard intellect may have been a flaw, if it weren't matched with impeccable timing, and, I think, a very instinctive notion of how to stare down the Soviet threat. No other President from Truman onward had the balls to do what Reagan did, to fully utilize the American economy as the most potent weapon in all of history, to force the cracking Soviet machine to try to meet the American juggernaut. Of course, there were events the Americans at least had no perceptible direct role in, in particular Afghanistan, which has to be the most profound blunder of the last decade or so of the USSR's existence. Still, I wonder if a smarter President might have overthought this one. I can well see Reagan's predecessors being too smart and to savvy to grab the brass ring. Sometimes, though many will refuse to admit it, less brains is better. Reagan may not have had the Machiavellian smarts of someone like Nixon, or the even-handed gentility of Carter, but he had a way with a turn of phrase, and a way of putting them indomitable look in his eye that made damned near anyone blink.

I'll never forget as long as I live the Reykjavik Summit, Reagan, bigger than life, bolder than bolding, striding into those meetings, while Gorbachev and all those weird shifty types that Soviet leaders since Stalin's death always had... I dunno... lurking around them. Reagan absolutely dominated that brief few second scene, and you know, he was the last President to my mind who really filled out the suit of "Leader of the Free World". That wasn't smarts are cunning, it was that old Reagan myopia, which might have been fault in a hundred other situations, but in that one spoke louder than any words that he was in charge and the buck stopped with him.

Historical context reaches back before Reagan, which set the stage for his triumphs. So was Jimmy Carter a "moron" too? Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK...all morons? If excessive spending be your benchmark...then PM Trudeau was a..."moron".

JFK and Ford, yeah, probably, in particular JFK. I think history would probably remember him a lot less fondly if he had lived. Nixon to be sure is the predecessor from the last era of Soviet power that laid the bedrock. But much of the real work was done by the Soviets, who had since Kruschev's fall had mismanaged the USSR so badly that they paved the way for the nature of the attack that would take them down. I'm sure the USSR would have eventually fallen, but I think it was better sooner than later, though probably the next big misstep was in managing its crash. The West kind of dropped the ball on that one, and in the end the promise of Russian democracy has been very much tempered by the Putin autocracy.

[Shady]

Meanwhile, O'Donnell wasn't being sarcastic at all when she said she "dabbled in witchcraft."

Are we really using highschool instances to attack candidates now?

I heard she also threw a rock through a window when Jimmy the quarterback dumped her for another girl in he senior year.

I mean come'on, this is past ridiculous!

[bush_cheney2004]

....JFK and Ford, yeah, probably, in particular JFK. I think history would probably remember him a lot less fondly if he had lived. Nixon to be sure is the predecessor from the last era of Soviet power that laid the bedrock....

That Reagan maintained and eventually rushed the net in the Cold War continuum defies and notion of being a "moron". You have not made your case at all. As for Ford, was he a "moron" for advocating Canada's G6 membership?

[BubberMiley]

Are we really using highschool instances to attack candidates now?

So the sarcastic Marxist comment in college is fair game, but the "dabbling in witchcraft" is ancient history?

You've really got to do something about that hypocrisy. It's starting to smell bad.

[punked]

Are we really using highschool instances to attack candidates now?

I heard she also threw a rock through a window when Jimmy the quarterback dumped her for another girl in he senior year.

I mean come'on, this is past ridiculous!

You are right high school is sooooo much different form first year of collage. Like an idiot you always look like an idiot.

[BubberMiley]

She seems like a nice lady, but she sure doesn't come across as bright.

Edited September 19, 2010 by BubberMiley

[Jack Weber]

She seems like a nice lady, but she sure doesn't come across as bright.

That would be my assessment...

[Pliny]

So the sarcastic Marxist comment in college is fair game, but the "dabbling in witchcraft" is ancient history?

You've really got to do something about that hypocrisy. It's starting to smell bad.

Marxism has something to do with politics that may be of concern to some. Witchcraft?? Hahaha. Just plain fun. Hubble bubble toil and trouble....maybe something to that...whodda thunk she would be candidate for senate?

She's definitely not a member of the intellectual elite.

[GostHacked]

Are we really using highschool instances to attack candidates now?

Possibly, but it's better to attack them when they were a little kid living in Hawaii. However the whole witchcraft thing is a non-issue. I have dabbled in wiccan myself for a very short while.