Remiel Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Is there a need for a Space channel in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show science-fiction themed programming? Is there a need for a W channel in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show chick-themed programming? Is there a need for the Spike network in Canada, when other networks also sometimes show moron-themed programming? I think that the "need" for a channel could probably be measured by its viewership. If people are tuning in, then it must be filling a need, right? They must be watching for some reason, yes? If it tanks, then you can certainly come back to me and say "see, kimmy? It really wasn't needed after all." Well, Space and W may be debatable. Geeks and women, after all, come in finite quantities. Stupidity, however, is infinite. Academically though, it can be debated whether a given slate of programming fulfills a need, or creates a want. It is the difference between asking a person what sort of channels they would like to see, and them suggesting a Canadian equivalent to Faux, and asking a person directly whether they would watch a Canadian Faux. Does it make a difference if current viewers of Fox watch such a channel? Probably not that much. What we are afraid of is people who could not give a rat's ass about Fox suddenly tuning into this new channel and lapping it up. And by the way, I have to wonder if Fox deliberately tries to turn people into Rush Limbaugh watching drones. When I was young and we had the antenna, Fox (31 and 68) were two of the few channels we got locally. And it seems to me I remember seeing advertisements for Rush far more often that I should have if I was watching program aimed at 8-12 year olds... Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Alex Jones - of Prison Planet - is a triple synthesis of right-wing paranoia, left-wing paranoia, and pure undistilled crazy. True, he pulls in a pretty broad spectrum of the gullible, ideologically speaking. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Machjo Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Will it have a chance to retort to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBh9BUnk6q8&feature=player_embedded Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
sharkman Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Well, we are going to get this channel in Canada in one form or another since the application has already been submitted. Whether it succeeds or not is another thing, although all of the free advertising done through discussions on forums will aid its success. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Well, we are going to get this channel in Canada in one form or another since the application has already been submitted. Whether it succeeds or not is another thing, although all of the free advertising done through discussions on forums will aid its success. That's a good point. Word of mouth via internet has become an important marketing tool. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 What we are afraid of is people who could not give a rat's ass about Fox suddenly tuning into this new channel and lapping it up. "Afraid" of people watching television? Why? And by the way, I have to wonder if Fox deliberately tries to turn people into Rush Limbaugh watching drones. When I was young and we had the antenna, Fox (31 and 68) were two of the few channels we got locally. And it seems to me I remember seeing advertisements for Rush far more often that I should have if I was watching program aimed at 8-12 year olds... Depends on the market for those channels....rabbit ears from across the border doesn't apply. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Leafless Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Peladeau does what Peladeau does... What kind of conservative views relating to Quebec can possibly be discussed, other than good and politically correct when Quebecor Media Inc. owns the show? Looks like Quebec has already bought out the conservative viewpoint. So much for the lame Foxnews North. Quote
sharkman Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 What we are afraid of is people who could not give a rat's ass about Fox suddenly tuning into this new channel and lapping it up. "Afraid" of people watching television? Why? BC, can you remember the response from the left WRT shows or content of highly controversial subject matter? The left's favorite response has always been, "If you don't like it you can always change the channel". Funny how numerous lefties on this thread find that this advice doesn't apply to them. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 BC, can you remember the response from the left WRT shows or content of highly controversial subject matter? The left's favorite response has always been, "If you don't like it you can always change the channel". Funny how numerous lefties on this thread find that this advice doesn't apply to them. Very good observation, as that has usually been the "Left's" contention when it comes to censorship. I'm not sure what was meant by "afraid", so await further explanation if it is forthcoming. Fox News Corp is a well run shop...it is successful in many US markets. Comparisons to a new media outlet in Canada are superficial at best because the conditions are completely different. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Remiel Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 I am going to assume that you, bc, unlike sharkman, actually understand nuance and say that I use " afraid " in the lighter senses. You know, " I am afraid that I locked my keys in my car, " " I am afraid that will not be necessary, " " I am afraid that I may have taped over your favourite movie, " and so on. " Afraid " in the regretful sense, the anxious or leery sense... Not the " OMG, get the censor! " sense. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 I am going to assume that you, bc, unlike sharkman, actually understand nuance and say that I use " afraid " in the lighter senses. You know, " I am afraid that I locked my keys in my car, " " I am afraid that will not be necessary, " " I am afraid that I may have taped over your favourite movie, " and so on. " Afraid " in the regretful sense, the anxious or leery sense... Not the " OMG, get the censor! " sense. It would appear from the tenor of his remark that he would indeed get that. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Well, we are going to get this channel in Canada in one form or another since the application has already been submitted. Whether it succeeds or not is another thing, although all of the free advertising done through discussions on forums will aid its success. That's right... And I'm even going to watch...I hope they go as far to the looney tunes right as possible(and maybe even over the edge into Glenn Beck wackoville)... The comedy will too sweet! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
lukin Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 That's right... And I'm even going to watch...I hope they go as far to the looney tunes right as possible(and maybe even over the edge into Glenn Beck wackoville)... The comedy will too sweet! I wonder if it will be a s funny as a Heather Mallick article? Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 I wonder if it will be a s funny as a Heather Mallick article? Possibly... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
sharkman Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Very good observation, as that has usually been the "Left's" contention when it comes to censorship. I'm not sure what was meant by "afraid", so await further explanation if it is forthcoming. Fox News Corp is a well run shop...it is successful in many US markets. Comparisons to a new media outlet in Canada are superficial at best because the conditions are completely different. Well, whatever was meant by 'afraid' is besides the point, which is that a right-of-center network would be bad for Canada, but if one doesn't like left of center programming, one should simply change the channel. Hypocrisy was never better illustrated than with this example. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Well, whatever was meant by 'afraid' is besides the point, which is that a right-of-center network would be bad for Canada, but if one doesn't like left of center programming, one should simply change the channel. Hypocrisy was never better illustrated than with this example. Huh? Is Canada that fragile? Maybe you do need the CRTC after all. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 I am going to assume that you, bc, unlike sharkman, actually understand nuance and say that I use " afraid " in the lighter senses. You know, " I am afraid that I locked my keys in my car, " " I am afraid that will not be necessary, " " I am afraid that I may have taped over your favourite movie, " and so on. " Afraid " in the regretful sense, the anxious or leery sense... Not the " OMG, get the censor! " sense. I figured as much, but didn't want to assume anything. I am a foreigner and often don't understand Canadian nuance! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) Huh? Is Canada that fragile? Just sharkman. Edited June 17, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest TrueMetis Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Will it have a chance to retort to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBh9BUnk6q8&feature=player_embedded Is that a joke? Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Is that a joke? That was not a joke... Thiose fair and balanced A-Holes actually aid that last year.Ironically,it came out the same day 3 dead soldiers came home and whose bodies were being transported on the Highway of Heroes... Classless and clueless at the same time... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
sharkman Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Huh? Is Canada that fragile? Maybe you do need the CRTC after all. No, we need wide open competition, and let the market decide which channels survive. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 No, we need wide open competition, and let the market decide which channels survive. Well, like I said: if it works, excellent, and if not, excellent. Either way is fine with me. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
sharkman Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Yes, but like I've said twice now, the left is not fine with it because they don't want right of center bias. And at the same time they tell those of us on the right not to censor when we don't like left of center programming. We are told to change the channel. But I don't think you can work up any remarks for that particular example of hypocrisy. Quote
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Yes, but like I've said twice now, the left is not fine with it because they don't want right of center bias. And at the same time they tell those of us on the right not to censor when we don't like left of center programming. We are told to change the channel. But I don't think you can work up any remarks for that particular example of hypocrisy. Well, i can't speak for anyone else. I don't find the notion of a right-leaning news station to be some terrible threat to Canada. So, no issue, as far as I"m concerned. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
sharkman Posted June 17, 2010 Report Posted June 17, 2010 Let me try one more time. Do you find the left's reluctance hypocritical when they are fine with their kind of programming? Quote
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