Foxnews NORTH?

[bloodyminded]

Yes... and, er, No.

As the ultimate centrist, I declare there are no winners, we are ALL winners and everyone gets a trophy!

Very unsatisfying. I guess that's the definition of centrist "compromise."

[Pliny]

Wow! Two lefties vowing for the honour of ultimate centrist. Good for a laugh.

[Jack Weber]

Wow! Two lefties vowing for the honour of ultimate centrist. Good for a laugh.

Just as funny as a righty who thinks all things that don't jive with conservative libertarianism is leftist....Kinda like Fascism is a leftist construct,hmmmm??

[ironstone]

What exactly is it about this proposed news channel that frightens you?Why do you believe that people don't have a right to have another choice in the world of news?What's so scary about a different point of view?

Which news station get's the highest ratings in the US?

[Jack Weber]

What exactly is it about this proposed news channel that frightens you?Why do you believe that people don't have a right to have another choice in the world of news?What's so scary about a different point of view?

Which news station get's the highest ratings in the US?

1.Nothing,other than it'll most likely ratchet up unnecessary partisan rhetoric that will surely be matched by the other side.This serves no purpose but to inflame people and not deal with serious issues in a cogent manner.

2.Of course they have the right...Go ahead annd watch to your hearts content...I'll also be watching,but not becuase I require right wing rhetoric and invective to be thrown my way.Mainly because I thinik it'll provide spectacular comic relief for those of use who can seperate the wheat from the chaffe!!

3.Nothing wrong with a different point of view...I have many!!!

4.Who gives a damn?

[Pliny]

Just as funny as a righty who thinks all things that don't jive with conservative libertarianism is leftist....Kinda like Fascism is a leftist construct,hmmmm??

What is conservative libertarianism? Libertarianism sits better with classical liberalism than conservatism. It's just that liberalism has moved left and been taken over by the progressives and socialists who try to tell you they are still centrists by moving the bar in their direction.

Libertarianism was always in the same place but since the left considers itself centre, libertarianism is described as being on the right.

You're a centrist, aren't you Jack?

[jbg]

Quebecor Media Inc. has files application with the CRTC to brought a Fox news like to Canada and it would be under Kory Teneycke as V.P. Of development and former Communication Czar to Harper. I just wonder how this will play out, Kory does have a wife that is a advisor to Harper and I guess he'll have more power to what is going on in Parliament. So, are the Tories going to sell the CBC and send money to Quebecor? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100609/business/craft_quebecor_news_channel

I'm not sure what you're getting at but I am sure you'd like only the monochromatic CBC/CTV voice to be heard in Canada.

[jbg]

It's to be a English language channel.

They won't have broadcasts in Canadian and/or French?

[Jack Weber]

What is conservative libertarianism? Libertarianism sits better with classical liberalism than conservatism. It's just that liberalism has moved left and been taken over by the progressives and socialists who try to tell you they are still centrists by moving the bar in their direction.

Libertarianism was always in the same place but since the left considers itself centre, libertarianism is described as being on the right.

You're a centrist, aren't you Jack?

Contrary to what you might think,I'm certainly not a leftist...

[bloodyminded]

Wow! Two lefties vowing for the honour of ultimate centrist. Good for a laugh.

Neither of us ever proposed that it was an "honour."

And since the discussion was self-evidently a trivial joke, laughter is the appropriate response.

Unless you thought us quite serious...in which case the joke's on you!

Edited November 5, 2010 by bloodyminded

[dre]

What exactly is it about this proposed news channel that frightens you?Why do you believe that people don't have a right to have another choice in the world of news?What's so scary about a different point of view?

Which news station get's the highest ratings in the US?

Im against them because a democracy depends on people being some-what informed. Infotainment networks do the opposite... theyre viewers are often ignorant of even objective facts and realities.

Fox viewers still think there was huge stockpiles of WMD's found in Iraq for example.

I just rather not open the door to that whole genre of media. Canadians are on balance already almost too stupid for me to tolerate living around, and I dont see any reason to make it worse.

Edited November 8, 2010 by dre

[scribblet]

Talk about lack of ethics in media, check out this link although I hate to give them more hits. The article is factually incorrect, even prompting the CRTC comm. to post a comment, yet they continue to leave the story up there. They corrected the part about Rupert Murdoch but not the rest of it. So much for truth in reporting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/nov/08/mounties-murdoch-sun-tv-news#post-area

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/guardian-issues-correction-no-rupert-murdoch-does-not-own-sun-tv/article1789962/

[Pliny]

Im against them because a democracy depends on people being some-what informed. Infotainment networks do the opposite... theyre viewers are often ignorant of even objective facts and realities.

Fox viewers still think there was huge stockpiles of WMD's found in Iraq for example.

I just rather not open the door to that whole genre of media. Canadians are on balance already almost too stupid for me to tolerate living around, and I dont see any reason to make it worse.

"Canadians are on balance already too stupid for me to tolerate living around."

That says a lot about you and I hear it quite often from self-proclaimed, oh.. so "tolerant" left-wingers. Left-wingers who don't recognize it as a far right wing sentiment. National socialists would be proud to count you in their numbers.

And I don't know where you get the idea that Fox viewers still think there was huge stockpiles of WMD's found in Iraq. Was that on the "news"?

[dre]

"Canadians are on balance already too stupid for me to tolerate living around."

That says a lot about you and I hear it quite often from self-proclaimed, oh.. so "tolerant" left-wingers. Left-wingers who don't recognize it as a far right wing sentiment. National socialists would be proud to count you in their numbers.

And I don't know where you get the idea that Fox viewers still think there was huge stockpiles of WMD's found in Iraq. Was that on the "news"?

Yeah... I think infotainment waters down our access to real information and makes us ignorant, and that means Im a "national socialist".

Gotta love godwins law.

And I don't know where you get the idea that Fox viewers still think there was huge stockpiles of WMD's found in Iraq. Was that on the "news"?

Do 10 minutes of research on it. Numerous studies and polls have shown that fox viewers were disconnected from reality on a number of important subjects.

Heres some finding from a pew research poll. The finding? People who watch COMEDY shows are more informed that people who watch Fox. Besides the information about Fox though the poll shows that Americans are "less informed". In my opinion its the result of the conflict between news and entertainment in the US media.

(NEW YORK) A new survey of 1,502 adults released Sunday by Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that despite the mass appeal of the Internet and cable news since a previous poll in 1989, Americans' knowledge of national affairs has slipped a little. For example, only 69% know that Dick Cheney is vice president, while 74% could identify Dan Quayle in that post in 1989.

Other details are equally eye-opening. Pew judged the levels of knowledgeability (correct answers) among those surveyed and found that those who scored the highest were regular watchers of Comedy Central's The Daily Show and Colbert Report. They tied with regular readers of major newspapers in the top spot -- with 54% of them getting 2 out of 3 questions correct. Watchers of the Lehrer News Hour on PBS followed just behind.

Virtually bringing up the rear were regular watchers of Fox News. Only 1 in 3 could answer 2 out of 3 questions correctly. Fox topped only network morning show viewers.

Told that Shia was one group of Muslims struggling in Iraq, only 32% of the total sample could name "Sunni" as the other key group.

The percentage of those who knew their state's governor dropped to 2 in 3. Almost half know that Rep. Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House and 2 in 3 know that Condi Rice is secretary of state. But just 29% can identify Scooter Libby, 21% know Robert Gates and 15% can name Sen. Harry Reid.

But nearly 9 in 10 knew about President Bush's troop escalation in Iraq.

Men scored higher than women, and older Americans did better than younger, on average. Democrats and Republicans were about equally represented in the most knowledgeable group but there were more Republicans in the least aware group.

Left-wingers who don't recognize it as a far right wing sentiment

Nothing to do with being left wing... Not all infotainment is right wing, and I dont care for any of it.

[bloodyminded]

Nothing to do with being left wing... Not all infotainment is right wing, and I dont care for any of it.

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Agreed. "Entertainment Tonight"--Fox's rough intellectual equivalent --is ostensibly "apolitical," but is actually probably about mainstream liberal in its sensibilities.

[Moonlight Graham]

National socialists would be proud to count you in their numbers.

Uh oh, a Nazi blast!

[jbg]

Uh oh, a Nazi blast!

Godwin's law?

[Jack Weber]

Zig Ziegler..,

[Pliny]

Yeah... I think infotainment waters down our access to real information and makes us ignorant, and that means Im a "national socialist".

Gotta love godwins law.

No, you stated: "Canadians are on balance already too stupid for me to tolerate living around."

The lib-lefts like to think of themselves as tolerant and your admittance to "intolerance" is more a right-wing trait. That would make you more of a "national socialist".

You have to propound your love of people and that you want the best for them, not call them "too stupid to tolerate living around" if you wish to continue being considered a leftist.

Do 10 minutes of research on it. Numerous studies and polls have shown that fox viewers were disconnected from reality on a number of important subjects.

Heres some finding from a pew research poll. The finding? People who watch COMEDY shows are more informed that people who watch Fox. Besides the information about Fox though the poll shows that Americans are "less informed". In my opinion its the result of the conflict between news and entertainment in the US media.

Since more of the general public watch Fox News I would probably conclude even without the need for a survey that they would poll as generally less informed.

The growing popularity of Fox news is, in my view, more an indicator that government is increasingly being seen as infringing on their lives and is a symptom of a reversal of the attitude of government's irrelevance in their lives. I suppose we should thank Obama for that renewed interest in what government is doing.

Nothing to do with being left wing... Not all infotainment is right wing, and I dont care for any of it.

Infotainment takes itself far too seriously.

Edited November 14, 2010 by Pliny

[Pliny]

Zig Ziegler..,

What are you selling, Jack?

[bloodyminded]

The growing popularity of Fox news is, in my view, more an indicator that government is increasingly being seen as infringing on their lives and is a symptom of a reversal of the attitude of government's irrelevance in their lives. I suppose we should thank Obama for that renewed interest in what government is doing.

??

FOX NEWS viewers were by far the biggest supporters of a Huge-Government intiiative called "The Iraq War."

Fox news was also the chief (though by no stretch the only) news network to promote the explicit government propaganda, unfiltered, through the use of ex-military "experts" who first met with the Pentagon and White House, and then repeated what they were told to repeat on the "news"; all the while billed as "independent analysts" (a direct lie). The Pentagon referred to them as "Message Force Multipliers," a sort of combination of military-speak and Orwell.

This is Soviet-style propaganda. That's not an exaggeration.

FOX also came out in support of warrantless eavesdropping.

They are big Government all the way. Their only "big government" complaints are of taxes and Democrats.

[dre]

No, you stated: "Canadians are on balance already too stupid for me to tolerate living around."

The lib-lefts like to think of themselves as tolerant and your admittance to "intolerance" is more a right-wing trait. That would make you more of a "national socialist".

You have to propound your love of people and that you want the best for them, not call them "too stupid to tolerate living around" if you wish to continue being considered a leftist.

Since more of the general public watch Fox News I would probably conclude even without the need for a survey that they would poll as generally less informed.

The growing popularity of Fox news is, in my view, more an indicator that government is increasingly being seen as infringing on their lives and is a symptom of a reversal of the attitude of government's irrelevance in their lives. I suppose we should thank Obama for that renewed interest in what government is doing.

Infotainment takes itself far too seriously.

The growing popularity of Fox news is, in my view, more an indicator that government is increasingly being seen as infringing on their lives and is a symptom of a reversal of the attitude of government's irrelevance in their lives. I suppose we should thank Obama for that renewed interest in what government is doing.

No the growth in popularity of Fox news is no different than the growth in popularity of SURVIVOR or AMERICAN IDOL. Fox is a brilliantly run business that has married a slick, shrewd, and sensationalistic marketing strategy with a strong understanding of its target demographic gleaned from ratings analsysis. They know what their target demographic wants to see and hear and how to push its buttons.

You have to propound your love of people and that you want the best for them, not call them "too stupid to tolerate living around" if you wish to continue being considered a leftist.

I have no wishes what-so-ever as to what other people consider me. I just flat out done care.

That would make you more of a "national socialist".

No it wouldnt. Your inability to defend your previous accusation is evident in your moving of the goalposts and ammending of your language from " National socialists would be proud to count you in their numbers" to "more of a national socialist".

Edited November 14, 2010 by dre

[Jack Weber]

What are you selling, Jack?

NAZI debate nullifcation references...

[Pliny]

??

FOX NEWS viewers were by far the biggest supporters of a Huge-Government intiiative called "The Iraq War."

The biggest supporters of a huge government initiative was huge government.

I watch Fox news but I didn't support the war on Iraq. However, the decision was made and I don't know what Al Gore would have done had he been elected.

I really have no idea why Iraq was targeted. It doesn't make sense to me other than Saddam Hussein was not a likable dictator and people's sympathies were already aligned towards seeing his removal. The huge government would not face too much criticism because of his brutality and the western perception of his removal would be generally more positive than negative.

Fox news was also the chief (though by no stretch the only) news network to promote the explicit government propaganda, unfiltered, through the use of ex-military "experts" who first met with the Pentagon and White House, and then repeated what they were told to repeat on the "news"; all the while billed as "independent analysts" (a direct lie). The Pentagon referred to them as "Message Force Multipliers," a sort of combination of military-speak and Orwell.

This is Soviet-style propaganda. That's not an exaggeration.

Not Nazi propaganda?

FOX also came out in support of warrantless eavesdropping.

They are big Government all the way. Their only "big government" complaints are of taxes and Democrats.

I do not agree with everything I hear on Fox and some do promote big government to a degree. But Libertarianism and Democrats both have a voice on Fox. Most far left wing Democrats won't appear on Fox though. Some notably do, like Dennis Kucinich. The mainstream media, to their own detriment, ridicule and discredit anything but the social democratic view and do more to promote big government for progressive socialist purposes. Conservatives have different interests regarding big government that I also find troubling.

I find the left to be the bigger threat as it is generally elitist and speciously supports social causes for it's own self-righteous aggrandizement to the detriment of those they admittedly find "too stupid to tolerate living around". Plus, of course, there is hardly ever a call to reduce the size of government on the left.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Pliny

[Pliny]

NAZI debate nullifcation references...

You feel nullified? Tell me, Jack, do you find "Canadians on balance too stupid to tolerate living around"? I don't know that just doesn't sound like the so familiar warm and fuzzy sentiment of the left.

I do know that the left likes to have big government around to try and contain that stupidity as much as possible.