Is Mexico fit to be part of a Pan American Union?

[Oleg Bach]

First the Mexican president makes a visit to Washington, then he visits Ottawa to negotiate on some new immigration policies. It is startling that there have been almost 30 drug trade related murders in Mexico in a period of one year. My question is - Should Canada open the doors to Mexican immigrants or should Mexico clean house first..It seems that American and Canadian policy for immigration is all about cheap labour. If Mexico is a failed state can and will it infect Canada as it has now infected parts of America?

[Oleg Bach]

CORRECTION - 30 thousand murders due to organized crime - sounds like a civil war to me..How many are there who are wounded in these battles? The number might be about half a million injured. These are not small numbers and in my estimation the containment of such behaviour must be reserved for the Mexican authorities. Makes you wonder if our leaders are not a little crimmial minded also. Look at the fact that when a Canadian is killed in Mexico, a blind eyes is turned as if to mention this to the Mexican authorities might be an insult - what's wrong with saying "Sorry Sir but you operate within an established crimminal society and you along with others is not welcome here" _ I guess that will not fly seeing that morality and order are a thing of the past as far as Mexico and America are concerned - BUT we still have order to a great degree in Canada - It must be preserved and trade should not come first over security.

[Borg]

Because some find it a nice place to vacation they will say it is a place where "I have never had a problem"

Which in itself is a typical Canuckleheaded response.

It is a failed state

It is a dangerous state

Many of those "poor illegals" are dangerous criminals and should be rounded up like animals and transported back to where they came from.

The economic illegals - while my heart goes out to them - Canada does not need them. They are a drain on the country and they too should be rounded up and returned. Fis your own country before you destroy ours.

Regular immigrants - if I believed I could trust the fed immigration system - and I definitely do NOT - then a proper screening should clear them. Not one federal government has ever gave me a good feeling when it comes to immigration.

Not a good country and definitely a corrupt and dangerous government.

Keep them away until they sort out their own problems - otherwise we will inherit those problems.

Borg

Edited May 29, 2010 by Borg

[Jack Weber]

Mexico should'nt be allowed into any union with the US and Canada.But the corporate benefactors need a cheap labour supply,and if there's a drug war bordering on civil war,who gives a crap as long as as the supply of cheap goods(and profit) continues.

But this attitude is par for the course...This country just signed a free trade deal with Columbia,solely to aid multinationals like Pan Am Silver and the like.No environmental protections...No labour rights protections...Juts keep the money flowing and shareholders happy....

[bush_cheney2004]

....But this attitude is par for the course...This country just signed a free trade deal with Columbia,solely to aid multinationals like Pan Am Silver and the like.No environmental protections...No labour rights protections...Juts keep the money flowing and shareholders happy....

Mexico also signed a free trade deal with Canada....and Canadian mining interests have done the same for the same reasons:

In a 2005 address, the Canadian Ambassador to Mexico, Gaetan Lavertu, noted that “well over half of the foreign mining concessions issued in Mexico are registered to Canadian companies. The bulk of these investments are from British Columbia…Mexico recognizes Canada’s leadership and technological advantages in the minerals and mining equipment business”.

http://www.miningwatch.ca/en/canadian-mining-mexico-made-canada-violence

[Oleg Bach]

Mexico should'nt be allowed into any union with the US and Canada.But the corporate benefactors need a cheap labour supply,and if there's a drug war bordering on civil war,who gives a crap as long as as the supply of cheap goods(and profit) continues.

But this attitude is par for the course...This country just signed a free trade deal with Columbia,solely to aid multinationals like Pan Am Silver and the like.No environmental protections...No labour rights protections...Juts keep the money flowing and shareholders happy....

See, that's the primary problem. Money from drug sales always finds it's way into our banking system. The bankers know this and really do not screen as well as they should because the will to increase profits overwhelms any moral obligation towards society in general.

I have met only a couple of young Columbians..and seen only a few pair of Mexicans wandering about in my neighbourhood. The young Columbians said they liked Canada for one reason " I can wear a gold chain and am not going to get killed for it" - I suppose these are good guys but with the good come the bad and the ugly.

[Oleg Bach]

Mexico also signed a free trade deal with Canada....and Canadian mining interests have done the same for the same reasons:

In a 2005 address, the Canadian Ambassador to Mexico, Gaetan Lavertu, noted that “well over half of the foreign mining concessions issued in Mexico are registered to Canadian companies. The bulk of these investments are from British Columbia…Mexico recognizes Canada’s leadership and technological advantages in the minerals and mining equipment business”.

http://www.miningwatch.ca/en/canadian-mining-mexico-made-canada-violence

They recognize Canada's leadership and technological advantages hugh? Of course they do. The high arch realizes that our buisness community is highly polished and generationally laundered crimminals of the best quality..we are very good at it and can provide Mexico with a more sophisticated and perhaps a more civilized way of doing dirty buisness..I onced asked a lawyer who worked for the elite as they were escorting me out of the office.."What are you going to do now, kill me?" He said - "We don't do that sort of thing". They incrimentally ruin you with their vast interconnecting network of rats and henchmen...so we are just a very clean version of Mexico..perhaps we can give them lessons in better more accepted crimmal enterprise?

[Oleg Bach]

Because some find it a nice place to vacation they will say it is a place where "I have never had a problem"

Which in itself is a typical Canuckleheaded response.

It is a failed state

It is a dangerous state

Many of those "poor illegals" are dangerous criminals and should be rounded up like animals and transported back to where they came from.

The economic illegals - while my heart goes out to them - Canada does not need them. They are a drain on the country and they too should be rounded up and returned. Fis your own country before you destroy ours.

Regular immigrants - if I believed I could trust the fed immigration system - and I definitely do NOT - then a proper screening should clear them. Not one federal government has ever gave me a good feeling when it comes to immigration.

Not a good country and definitely a corrupt and dangerous government.

Keep them away until they sort out their own problems - otherwise we will inherit those problems.

Borg

Very cold and pragmatic my friend. Some times a bit of real conservatism must be put into action - like conserving our social and natural resourses. It is mind blowing that some Mexicans illegally in AMERICA demand their rights under a constitution that is not theirs..I would say that is as coveting as one can get.

The federal immigration system in Canada is staffed by duped liberal lackies who actually believe they are making a better world by mixing things up - they seem to take pleasure in the internal displacement of legal Canadians who have won their stripes through hard work and REAL committment to the national family of Canada.

I walked through what was once a white trash ghetto in Toronto - the whites are mostly gone and what we have now are Muslims from poor back grounds - the common areas are strewn with garbage - there is no pride in keeping up the hood..Makes you wonder why they came here..was it to assimulate and be part of the grand Canadian experience - or was it simply because there is more food and more area to dump garbage?

[maple_leafs182]

Lets legalize drugs, let's take the money out of the hands of the criminals.

At what point did we start to only care about money rather then the well being of fellow man.

[Topaz]

I was watching news show and they said what they thought was happening in Mexico as far as the drugs go was the President was supporting one of the cartels there and that cartel was working with the government to get rid of the rest of them, leaving them to do all th dealing in drugs. Does the President get a split, who knows. I thought Mexico belonged to the N.A. Union and with more companies moving to Mexico, is there still a need to come into the US? The jobs are in Mexico, the north may have to go south for a job.

[Jack Weber]

I was watching news show and they said what they thought was happening in Mexico as far as the drugs go was the President was supporting one of the cartels there and that cartel was working with the government to get rid of the rest of them, leaving them to do all th dealing in drugs. Does the President get a split, who knows. I thought Mexico belonged to the N.A. Union and with more companies moving to Mexico, is there still a need to come into the US? The jobs are in Mexico, the north may have to go south for a job.

The problem is thjat the Friedmanite jobs are low wage jobs that makes dealing in drugs or selling fruit on the LA Freeway a better career choice...

Let's hear it for corporate elite free trade!!!!

How's that standard of living going these days?

[Bonam]

I certainly wouldn't want to be part of any union with Mexico.

[Shady]

Lets legalize drugs, let's take the money out of the hands of the criminals.

At what point did we start to only care about money rather then the well being of fellow man.

Actually, not legalizing drugs IS putting the well-being of our society above money.

[lictor616]

First the Mexican president makes a visit to Washington, then he visits Ottawa to negotiate on some new immigration policies. It is startling that there have been almost 30 drug trade related murders in Mexico in a period of one year. My question is - Should Canada open the doors to Mexican immigrants or should Mexico clean house first..It seems that American and Canadian policy for immigration is all about cheap labour. If Mexico is a failed state can and will it infect Canada as it has now infected parts of America?

lolz, I see no point to hold you in suspense on what my view on this subject would be. But, at this point I believe the question is nugatory, in a few decades... and by few i mean no more then 20 years, Western economies will implode on their idiotically contrived debt, and the weight of their welfare dependents, Canada will be 50% non-european, and probably will be enjoying the type of atmosphere that one can see in Detroit today. At that point we will have become a failed state, like mexico... Why even bother?

[Jack Weber]

lolz, I see no point to hold you in suspense on what my view on this subject would be. But, at this point I believe the question is nugatory, in a few decades... and by few i mean no more then 20 years, Western economies will implode on their idiotically contrived debt, and the weight of their welfare dependents, Canada will be 50% non-european, and probably will be enjoying the type of atmosphere that one can see in Detroit today. At that point we will have become a failed state, like mexico... Why even bother?

Zieg Heil,Komeraden!!!!

[Shwa]

CORRECTION - 30 thousand murders due to organized crime - sounds like a civil war to me..How many are there who are wounded in these battles?

Could you cite your source on the "30 thousand murders due to organized crime" please?

Here's an interesting statistic commentary based on statistics from NationMaster:

United States - world's largest consumer of cocaine (shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean), Colombian heroin, and Mexican heroin and marijuana; major consumer of ecstasy and Mexican methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center.

And I can't help but wonder, how many US deaths have been caused by and over the trade in illegal drugs of Mexican origin and how many have been wounded and how many have been incarcerated?

It seems the "civil war" in Mexico is merely some unfriendly competition over market shares - old school capitalism. It will likely peter out once most everyone is dead.

Edited May 31, 2010 by Shwa

[Wild Bill]

Could you cite your source on the "30 thousand murders due to organized crime" please?

Here's an interesting statistic commentary based on statistics from NationMaster:

And I can't help but wonder, how many US deaths have been caused by and over the trade in illegal drugs of Mexican origin and how many have been wounded and how many have been incarcerated?

It seems the "civil war" in Mexico is merely some unfriendly competition over market shares - old school capitalism. It will likely peter out once most everyone is dead.

I can hear Al Capone laughing in his grave! Prohibition is a tactic of the "holier than thou" brain dead!

How many hospitals would the anti-drug money buy?

[nicky10013]

I can hear Al Capone laughing in his grave! Prohibition is a tactic of the "holier than thou" brain dead!

How many hospitals would the anti-drug money buy?

That's right. The reason why there is so much fighting and so much corruption is due to the fact that all these different cartels want market share in the US. Most of is marijuana. You tax and regulate the stuff, you eliminate the need for it to be supplied illegally. A lot of problems, not just in Mexico (though it would benefit Mexico FAR more), but in Canada as well could be solved by US liberalisation of drug policy. Lest we forget, 80% of pot grown here is shipped down south.

[nicky10013]

As for Mexico, though corruption is endemic in some states close to the US border due to drug cartels fighting for territory, for the most part, Mexico is a functioning democracy with a fairly large economy. It would have to be part of a Pan American Union. Without it, there wouldn't be much point.

[eyeball]

First the Mexican president makes a visit to Washington, then he visits Ottawa to negotiate on some new immigration policies. It is startling that there have been almost 30 drug trade related murders in Mexico in a period of one year. My question is - Should Canada open the doors to Mexican immigrants or should Mexico clean house first..It seems that American and Canadian policy for immigration is all about cheap labour. If Mexico is a failed state can and will it infect Canada as it has now infected parts of America?

Given everything that we know about the law of supply and demand and the way cause and effect works it is beyond immoral that the onus should fall on Mexico to clean up its act first.

Due to their abject failure to do anything about their populations demand for drugs I'd say Mexico's neighbors are the real failures here.

[GostHacked]

Lets legalize drugs, let's take the money out of the hands of the criminals.

At what point did we start to only care about money rather then the well being of fellow man.

Over a century now I would say.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... A lot of problems, not just in Mexico (though it would benefit Mexico FAR more), but in Canada as well could be solved by US liberalisation of drug policy. Lest we forget, 80% of pot grown here is shipped down south.

Marvelous...the solution for narco states Canada and Mexico is legalizing contraband in the United States. Using logic like that, the best solution for handgun crime in Canada is legalization of right-to-carry! Yay!

[eyeball]

Marvelous...the solution for narco states Canada and Mexico is legalizing contraband in the United States. Using logic like that, the best solution for handgun crime in Canada is legalization of right-to-carry! Yay!

No, the solution is to round up all your users. Demand is followed by supply, not the other way around.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, the solution is to round up all your users. Demand is followed by supply, not the other way around.

Well, demand for handguns is certainly up in Canada, if only as tools for narco state trade and distribution.